To agree with Andy Burnham that it’s about time the middle classes took their fair share

[Morningteacup2]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/08/11/burnham-middle-class-areas-must-take-more-hotel-migrants/

Not a huge fan of Labour I must say, but this is well overdue!

Yes, they are a minority within Hungary and many Easter European countries. They have the triple whammy of being insular/traditional, historically very persecuted, and also extremely poor. They aren't the only children at risk in Hungary but they are specifically at risk. They are also not immigrants (unless you count the fact that Roma originally came from India hundreds of years ago) though are viewed as outsiders by some. Apart from Roma you also have other children at risk because they are in extreme poverty, poverty is the single biggest risk factor. None of that is to do with migration levels into Hungary or Western Europe. Except the fact that many sex trafficked children and adults women end up in places like Amsterdam or London and, hypocritically, some of the men complaining about Muslim grooming gangs don't have the same smoke for white British men paying to stick their penises in unconsenting women and girls. Unfortunately some posters on Mumsnet will have partners who have got up to such activities on stag weekends. But at least they are white I guess so maybe it's less traumatising.

Hypocrisy aside, that's all whataboutery though. It doesn't mean that people shouldn't worry about the safety of women in the UK. But it's relevant when someone holds Hungary up as a "safe" country for women and girls because they limit migration/are right wing. They had a corrupt right wing government for years that was happy to turn a blind eye to the trafficking of vulnerable women and distract with ethno-nationalist dog whistles. There's something wrong with the sort of people who openly praise that and it needs calling out.

I moved because I didn't want to live in a busy urban environment any longer and wanted to be somewhere more peaceful and with easy acess to countryside. I knew it would be less diverse, but I hadn't realised just how much less diverse it would be.

And it was quite a fluke that I ended up where I am. I applied for 4 jobs in different parts of the country, but this was the one I most wanted, as it was close enough to London for me to pop back for an evening if I wanted to, and close enough for London friends to visit easily. They interviewed quickly and made me an offer straight away, so I cancelled the other interviews.

I could just as easily have ended up in the Yorkshire Dales or Somerset, but they're probably not very diverse either.

Yep. You’re right. I’m a life long Tory voter. I didn’t have any intention on voting for Reform because I work in the public sector and Nigel doesn’t appear to think too highly of us. But I have a 9 year old daughter, and her future safety has to come first. So if that means voting Reform next time to get Labour out of Government, then so be it.

I actually agree that we need control of our borders and that the asylum system shouldn't be costing billions. Where I disagree is pretending that immigration is the reason Britain can't afford everything else.

We keep arguing amongst ourselves about migrants while avoiding the much bigger question: where is the economic plan? Where is the investment in British workers, skills, apprenticeships, technology, automation, infrastructure and businesses that actually increases productivity and grows the tax base?

Legal migration, asylum seekers and illegal entry aren't interchangeable either. Net migration has already fallen dramatically, yet that hasn't magically fixed the NHS, pensions, defence or our living standards.

By all means stop irregular migration and run a controlled immigration system. But unless Britain becomes more productive and grows its economy, we're still going to be arguing about how to fund public services afterwards. Immigration policy isn't a substitute for an economic strategy.

Oh give over. The belief that mass immigration is bad for us and bad for our country is not the same as believing that EVERY problem we face is because of immigration. There are lots of other problems with lots of other causes, but mass immigration (both legal immigration and asylum seekers) needs to be dealt with as an urgent priority.

If you don't agree then that's fine, vote Greens or Your Party or whatever you were planning to do. And we'll vote for whoever promises to sort out the issues that we deem to be the most urgent.

You have to have some kind of self hate to talk about monoculture being something dirty in this country. Pakistan, India, China - are those monocultural places that Brits flock to visit less offensive? This thread gets more entertaining.

Are you familiar with the term ‘champagne socialist?’

Would you care to return to your thread @Morningteacup2? Has it gone the way you expected?

That is rubbish. I’ve lived in the home countries for 60 years. 60 years ago we had Sikhs, we had black friends, we had restaurants run by Asians, we had the original boat people from Vietnam. I really do not believe that 30 years ago you moved from Croydon to a place who residents were surprised regarding their postman.

It will soon be full. I'm sure one of us can rustle up part 2.

I’m so glad someone else said it. I was wondering if it was just me thinking every single day when he posts on Fb- yet another mediocre policy that doesn’t change anything important. …or at best will take a decade to implement (mental health support, social care reform).

I've no idea what you mean by "value" in this context.

I just prefer variety to homogeneity, I guess. And it would be good to be able to get a decent curry without schlepping into the city...

Recipe books are a thing

😆 😆 🤣 how convenient

Yeah, put them in leftie strongholds - ie, the ones who don't mind them coming here.

Yes, I was raised in Poland. Very monocultural- what’s wrong with that?

So many posts on this thread seem to be descending into parody …

The cringe is strong 😎

Absolutely nothing ❤️

The monoculture of Budapest is amazing. Felt so safe

Absolutely nothing.

What once made Europe so special was that is was made up of individual countries with their own languages, traditions and foods. But they all shared a certain set of values too.

When I look at Europe now I want to cry.

"Net migration has already fallen dramatically,"

Migration is cumulative It hasn't "fallen". It has built in decades of unproductive cost and the single justification has only ever been to quote you, it grows the economy. It may have grown absolute GDP but it has not grown GDP per capita. Expanding unproductive GDP through immigration for decades is now a fixed cost.

After this 30 year experiment of leveraging immigration the state we are in IS the outcome. Your economic strategy is now scraping around for tax.

Wonder who prints all those Refugees Welcome here signs.

Ha, the first line of my post was the exact same two words.

Great minds think alike.

In many places in London, "multiculturalism" is just a euphemism for an ethnic enclave.