To think the El Salvador prison idea is a brilliant one?

[Jess788]

I usually steer clear of the news but caught this story earlier. What a brilliant idea - the prisons are overflowing and this would free up space and also save money.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yw9d2212xo

From the link:Reform says an agreement would require El Salvador to adhere to "British standards on size, lighting, heating, ventilation and fittings, and require daily open air time".

So standards would improve there. Yay human rights of el Salvador criminals.

Are they all single cells in the UK?

It's releasing offenders that leads to reoffending.

So excellent that El Salvador is a crime-free utopia.

Oh, wait ...

There must be some way of removing repeat offenders from society, whilst at the same time allowing them basic human right.

So, life sentences for all? How does that work?

Life sentences for repeat offenders

All for education in prison, which we do have already?

Culturally? In what way? I believe people are people though and all capable of crime when pushed or out of need (as well as greed, anger, drugs jealousy, whatever human traits).
Norway does, however, have a lot less poverty than the UK, strong social welfare systems throughout, good education and healthcare. It does have a drug problem (I can remember it when lived outside Oslo as a kid) but it was altogether a better country. I guess the difference is that the country looks after it's residents, taking away many causes of crime in the first place. Supporting prisoners is also a part of the way the country is run but it's working.

Non gang members are not sent to CECOT.

So why did the US sent 280 men there without trial? All for trivial allegations concerning their immigration status. Nothing connecting them with any gangs (wrong country for a start).

Norway has a much lower homicide rate than the UK, despite a much higher gun ownership rate.

Norway has a huge sovereign wealth fund so is very comfortably off - the opposite of us

The UK homicide rate was 6 per million in 1960, rose to around 15 by 2002–2003 and has fallen back to around 9. What changed?
Did the abolition of the death penalty led to a higher homicide rate? Has the introduction of severe minimum tariffs lead to a reduction in the homicide rate?

As a deterrent- you only need to do this once -sad for the unlucky ones but there won’t be many more

We have immigration from countries with a homicide rate of 10+ times the UK homicide rate.

The people that go in there would deserve it though.

You can tell it's the school holidays.

It's time for bed.

That put me right off my Maltesers. Hmph.

Unlikely that the punishment has anything to do with it. Family and social changes, including the role of men, drugs and alcohol more readily available, changes to laws on child and domestic abuse, including marital rape, changes to divorce laws, pornography, increasing population and therefore stretched resources and widening inequality are all more likely to have had an impact on the murder rate.

It's to give the dim blood thirsty something to chew on as a distraction, while he sneaks past carrying the bag of swag - like chucking the guard dog a piece of meat.

Article says foreign prisoners are eligible for deportation anyway (if sentenced to more than 12 months). So I don’t get the problem. Just deport them.

Another pie in the sky idea.
Border patrol restrictions would be more beneficial. Stopping further mass immigration otherwise they’re emptying a swimming pool with an egg cup.

This has to be rage bait