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To want to tell my kids to fuck off

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allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 08:07

Dd2(3) destroyed DD1(6)s Lego. Tried to put DD2 in a time out; of course she won’t stay so she’s in her room with me on one side of the door holding it closed while she screams the place down and DD1 follows me bellowing and ranting about the injustice of it so two kids screaming their heads off at me while I’m holding door closed.

I didn’t but I wanted to tell them both to fuck off. (I have never done this out loud but Jesus it’s tempting.)

Yes, I know I probably did it all wrong and no MNetters would have such chaos but that’s not my life I’m afraid.

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allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 16:23

SadEyedTigger · 01/08/2026 16:16

Ok, then put things where only you can reach and you put things up or get them down when DD1 asks and while DD1 has the items, you keep DD2 busy/distracted.

It doesn’t have to be up high, out of reach can mean a locking drawer or cabinet that DD1 has a key to.

So literally everything. Every single toy or book and game is out of reach and has to be asked for?

Not practical at all, I’m afraid.

She’d find a water spray hilarious, it would actually make her do it more. I guess it shows how kids are different as I’m not joking, she would be delighted with me spraying her with water for hair grabbing.

Tying my hair up hardly works in the car does it? But in any case dd2 doesn’t wear hair bands - refuses - and dd1 targets those wispy bits at the side of your head. Which fucking hurt like a bitch if you’re ever experienced someone ripping them out.

@SadEyedTigger if I thought I could, I would. the time to change was before they were born. Obviously I regret it now, hugely.

Anyway, the threads not really helping and is making me feel worse now.

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SadEyedTigger · 01/08/2026 16:24

OP I have actually given you suggestions on how to break the patterns along with posters. I don’t think I should have to specifically say that you should not pull your 5yo child’s hair so hard they cry. I think you know damn well that such a situation should have called for deep breaths and then a quiet chat and possibly moving seating arrangements or tying up your hair.

allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 16:26

Yes, I know. Put everything out of reach, tie your hair up, don’t buy candy floss, don’t buy a bucket and spade, don’t go anywhere but the garden. I know - I am doing it all wrong!

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SadEyedTigger · 01/08/2026 16:26

allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 16:23

So literally everything. Every single toy or book and game is out of reach and has to be asked for?

Not practical at all, I’m afraid.

She’d find a water spray hilarious, it would actually make her do it more. I guess it shows how kids are different as I’m not joking, she would be delighted with me spraying her with water for hair grabbing.

Tying my hair up hardly works in the car does it? But in any case dd2 doesn’t wear hair bands - refuses - and dd1 targets those wispy bits at the side of your head. Which fucking hurt like a bitch if you’re ever experienced someone ripping them out.

@SadEyedTigger if I thought I could, I would. the time to change was before they were born. Obviously I regret it now, hugely.

Anyway, the threads not really helping and is making me feel worse now.

So literally everything. Every single toy or book and game is out of reach and has to be asked for? That wasn’t my advice at all. The place out of reach was for things DD2 is too young for like Lego.

You appear to be very angry.

Seriously, tell the HV you need anger management help and very quickly.

SadEyedTigger · 01/08/2026 16:27

allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 16:26

Yes, I know. Put everything out of reach, tie your hair up, don’t buy candy floss, don’t buy a bucket and spade, don’t go anywhere but the garden. I know - I am doing it all wrong!

No one has advised that. Your anger is getting in the way of you listening.

BessPorgy · 01/08/2026 16:29

allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 15:04

And seven pages in and no one has given one suggestion to stop dd2 taking DD1s stuff. Not one.

Well, I suggested a playpen and other suggested baby gates to keep her away. They may not be the right suggestion but people have tried.

Spanglemum02 · 01/08/2026 16:30

Don't take this the wrong way, but is it possible they BOTH have some additional needs? How has DD1 found school?

It's a long time since mine were that age but they have been diagnosed with ASD and ADHD.

Advice:
Forget about the naughty step. It doesn't work for a lot of children

Natural consequences but for a 2 year old you can't have a big time gap between the event and the consequence. It is a natural consequence for DD1 if she showsher sister something.

Telling them want you do want them to do rather than what you don't was surpringly successful. "Put your Lego where your sister can't see it" "stay by me in the shop"

I had runners. Once he was too big for the shopping trolley seat i couldn't take him. I would think about reins for the little one.

I know it's so difficult but try and keep calm as PP said, DD1 is invested in rbe drama of the telling off.

I would go and see GP, if you can.

Good luck.

allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 16:31

A playpen is for babies, she’d easily get out of that, baby gates I did say are a possibility but that’s then her locked in a room upstairs while dd1 plays in a different room with her screaming the place down. So not a great solution all in all!

@Spanglemum02 i have no idea, I suspect not, they are OK alone one to one. Together they are a huge problem.

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Uricon2 · 01/08/2026 16:32

SadEyedTigger · 01/08/2026 16:27

No one has advised that. Your anger is getting in the way of you listening.

Yes.

People are suggesting things, based on experience, that may or may not work and you are so sunk in anger and probably exhaustion TBF you are lashing out at those making them. I'd say guilt is in the mix too, but it shouldn't be so get rid of that.

What support do you actually have around you?

ETA, also high babygate on the older ones room. 5 year old can do their Lego while you play with the younger. Also, and I don't advocate turning her into a Victorian 'little mother', but get older one to have some responsibilities helping you, tiny things, especially with care of the smaller sister.

Soulhorse · 01/08/2026 16:32

My youngest of 2 was a demon. I had to put his rein harness on him (minus the reins) in the house so I could grab him and extricate him from attacking his brother. You are holding them from behind so they can’t hurt you. Grim but effective. He did grow out of it.

BessPorgy · 01/08/2026 16:34

allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 16:31

A playpen is for babies, she’d easily get out of that, baby gates I did say are a possibility but that’s then her locked in a room upstairs while dd1 plays in a different room with her screaming the place down. So not a great solution all in all!

@Spanglemum02 i have no idea, I suspect not, they are OK alone one to one. Together they are a huge problem.

Well they are still suggestions. And you said nobody had tried. Anyway you are too angry and lashing out at the wrong people. You def need help from somewhere locally, for the sake of your children.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 01/08/2026 16:34

allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 16:23

So literally everything. Every single toy or book and game is out of reach and has to be asked for?

Not practical at all, I’m afraid.

She’d find a water spray hilarious, it would actually make her do it more. I guess it shows how kids are different as I’m not joking, she would be delighted with me spraying her with water for hair grabbing.

Tying my hair up hardly works in the car does it? But in any case dd2 doesn’t wear hair bands - refuses - and dd1 targets those wispy bits at the side of your head. Which fucking hurt like a bitch if you’re ever experienced someone ripping them out.

@SadEyedTigger if I thought I could, I would. the time to change was before they were born. Obviously I regret it now, hugely.

Anyway, the threads not really helping and is making me feel worse now.

A child secured by seat belt/harness across the car can't reach your hair if it's securely tied up because the seat belt/harness will prevent that range of movement. And if she has six foot long arms, gel or edge wax will stop her being able to get hold of them from there.

Maybe she would find water spray hilarious. The first few times. Then she'd either not want it for a change or she'd just want the spray and stand in front of you.

Soulhorse · 01/08/2026 16:35

I’d have both of yours in reins when out as well if one’s a bolter.

BertieBotts · 01/08/2026 16:42

allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 13:36

Yes but … I’ve got to brush my teeth. I’ve got to shower or at least wash, I’ve got to get dressed. They have to eat breakfast. Then we pack the bag. I don’t think anyone’s living in the real world at all here!

Just picking up on this - you wrote this post at 13:36 so it was well past lunchtime. I don't know if you were referring to the hypothetical "take them outside" suggestion from 8:30 or whether it was still the case that you had all those barriers between your situation and gettign them out at 1:30pm but it made me think about myself. I have ADHD and struggle with these things. The reason that people suggest things like "just" taking them out is that most people have routines and systems which mean that it is easy to just go out - they get up, washed/brushed, dressed etc first thing. Get DC breakfast and don't need to sort out a bag because they already have a bag ready with essentials like purse/keys/whatever and/or stuff like sun hats, water bottles etc ready accessible near the front door.

When my ADHD is getting on top of me and/or DH is ill/away or something, it's hard to do everything because nothing is "just" doing that one thing, there are at least 2 subtasks which need to be completed first and often more like 3-4. So even something like getting them breakfast is more difficult than it needs to be for example, because nobody has cleaned up the table from last night's dinner and/or the kitchen is a tip because nobody tidied up there. But when I am more on top of things generally and DH is on reasonable form, which TBF is most of the time these days, then everything just works smoothly - we can come downstairs and easily be able to grab plates/bowls, food, drinks etc, chop up fruit or whatever and bring them to the table and there is nothing in the way or making you feel disgusting like food crumbs on the floor or washing up staring at you from the previous day.

Oh and trust me I have done the separate screens in different rooms - it does buy you quiet in the short term but too much of it just makes them more demonic 🙈 100% recommend avoiding this as a solution, unfortunately, especially if you're close to burnout because when I'm burnt out, I find I can't use it sensibly e.g. for 20 mins at a time just to give everyone a breather - I can't bring myself to end the quiet, sometimes for hours. And then they are just nuts because they obviously have all this pent up energy and it's even harder to direct it into anything reasonable.

Secondly though 3 is just a complete bastard of an age. And the combination of siblings when the youngest is under 4 and/or the eldest is under 6 or so is really hectic and needs a lot of adult management. Flowers it is a really hard stage. It does get easier.

I hope this does not come across as "this is what's wrong" but for me I've noticed that everything can snowball really fast when I start getting behind on things because one thing slipping makes everything else harder and then I'm less likely to be up to speed on the next thing and in a very short time it just starts to feel impossible to keep up. Comparing that to how things are day to day when we are on top of things enough to be a couple of steps ahead of the DC is just night and day, and I think IME that's what makes it feel like advice which works for everyone else is impossible or doesn't work for me. And it is much harder when you're a single parent - I have been a single parent (with DC1) and because it's all on you it's like this is all exacerbated because there's nobody else to pick up the slack when you're having a hard time.

Being a couple of steps ahead of them means that I can do things like distract the younger one or involve them in some activity so they aren't bored and looking to wind up their sibling. The hair pulling sounds extremely infuriating and I don't know if I could react to that calmly in any situation.

zeddip · 01/08/2026 16:55

BessPorgy · 01/08/2026 16:29

Well, I suggested a playpen and other suggested baby gates to keep her away. They may not be the right suggestion but people have tried.

A playpen for a 3 year old? Are you joking?

3 year olds are not babies, they can roam the whole house including managing stairs. Try putting my 3 year old in a playpen and she'd climb out. She's literally nearly a metre tall! Everyone on this thread seems to be acting like 3 year olds are babies but they are not.

Tryagain26 · 01/08/2026 16:57

allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 15:58

She is a horrible little shit, I can’t really disagree with that. They both are.

They will know that you don't like them and are being even more difficult because they are craving your attention and testing you to see if you love them.
The problem is the more badly they behave the more you withdraw and then their behaviour is even worse, because thet trying to get your attention it doesn't matter that it's negative attention. They are also competing for your attention.
You need a break. Is there anyone who can look after them even just for a day so you can do something just for you and recharge your batteries.
Then come back and try and think about all the positive things about your children (there must be some !) focus on those and on playing with them and giving them positive attention. They will still play up but try not to always escalate the situation by over reacting.

WhatNoRaisins · 01/08/2026 17:02

It's not unreasonable to get angry with a 5 year old for repeated hair pulling. At 5 I'd maybe understand them doing it once and being told no but I'd have lost my shit at my DC repeatedly doing that after being told no. The car thing was extremely dangerous, what you did wasn't "perfect parenting" but I understand why you were driven to it.

allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 17:04

@NeverDropYourMooncup you can move in a seatbelt. But we are quibbling over stupid stuff here. DD2 is on my knee now but if the thread is still going later I’ll take a photo of DD1s car seat, she can easily reach across and yank my hair.

I’m frustrated for sure, we’ve had an awful day here and I made a mistake posting because it doesn’t make you feel good, or empower you, it just adds to the feeling of it being easy and you / your kids being the anomaly.

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zeddip · 01/08/2026 17:04

OP I'm going to try and put our spare baby gate on my 6 year olds bedroom door to stop 3 year old getting in so she can go there for some space and be alone built her intricate Legos and things, will see how it goes!! 🙈 6 year old can open it but 3 year old can't! 🤞🏻

Kokonimater · 01/08/2026 17:05

Marroon · 01/08/2026 08:32

It sounds like they get their attitude problems from you.

Nasty and unnecessary comment.

allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 17:11

@Tryagain26 i quite like them as individuals but I don’t like them together. I am struggling hugely because I’m spending my life in anticipation of meltdowns. Today we had the Lego, then went to ballet. All fine. Then to an activity. DD1 goes shooting across the car park as dd2 trails miles behind. I have to tell dd1 off, but apart from that they were all right and seemed to enjoy the crafts. Then dd2 had a poo accident (we’ve been potty training for months and have made no progress at all with poo, which is another source of a bit of stress) and it went everywhere. I needed to get her changed and she kicked off massively, screaming and hitting me because her original outfit was a Bluey one and she didn’t want to take it off. I stayed calm (didn’t feel it) and saying ‘either pink dress or come with mummy’ but she’s going absolutely mental and while I’m in the toilet with her going mad dd1 is alone in the craft thing which yes maybe I should have taken her with me but I didn’t realise dd2 would kick off like this.

Then there’s more running across the car park / trailing behind drama, and in the supermarket I’m tense and anxious. They probably weren’t that bad but I was overwhelmed myself and small things were getting to me.

Then at home I got screamed at because she wanted a drink in a particular bottle and I gave her that bottle and she hit me Sad and then kicked off massively over the dolls.

I do try but my own resources are very low and some days I barely get to eat because I’m endlessly running round after them being screamed at, and I really thought it would be better now.

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allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 17:11

Kokonimater · 01/08/2026 17:05

Nasty and unnecessary comment.

This posters been at it everywhere, I’m not even taking it personally!

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WhatNoRaisins · 01/08/2026 17:14

Is there any scope for putting one or both of them in some childcare for some of the time?

And for what it's worth this does sound beyond normal misbehaving at least for the older one. I don't believe in online armchair diagnosis but I'd be inclined to look into a proper assesment of them both.

Tryagain26 · 01/08/2026 17:19

allwrongnow · 01/08/2026 17:11

@Tryagain26 i quite like them as individuals but I don’t like them together. I am struggling hugely because I’m spending my life in anticipation of meltdowns. Today we had the Lego, then went to ballet. All fine. Then to an activity. DD1 goes shooting across the car park as dd2 trails miles behind. I have to tell dd1 off, but apart from that they were all right and seemed to enjoy the crafts. Then dd2 had a poo accident (we’ve been potty training for months and have made no progress at all with poo, which is another source of a bit of stress) and it went everywhere. I needed to get her changed and she kicked off massively, screaming and hitting me because her original outfit was a Bluey one and she didn’t want to take it off. I stayed calm (didn’t feel it) and saying ‘either pink dress or come with mummy’ but she’s going absolutely mental and while I’m in the toilet with her going mad dd1 is alone in the craft thing which yes maybe I should have taken her with me but I didn’t realise dd2 would kick off like this.

Then there’s more running across the car park / trailing behind drama, and in the supermarket I’m tense and anxious. They probably weren’t that bad but I was overwhelmed myself and small things were getting to me.

Then at home I got screamed at because she wanted a drink in a particular bottle and I gave her that bottle and she hit me Sad and then kicked off massively over the dolls.

I do try but my own resources are very low and some days I barely get to eat because I’m endlessly running round after them being screamed at, and I really thought it would be better now.

Is there anyone to give you a break? I know how young children can push our buttons and how hard it can be trying to keep cool. I think three year olds are particularly challenging because they are desperate to assert themselves.
I'm sure you love them and that you are trying your best but sometimes it's important to take a deep breath , try and stay positive or at least pretend to be positive and think tomorrow is another day.
And if there is someone who can help you ask them to look after them even if for just a couple of hours

Puffalicious · 01/08/2026 17:23

Oh OP, you're having such a tough time, & feeling like you're the anomaly is rubbish.

I have 3 boys- grown & youngest 2 still teens. I'm not saying they were a breeze- they weren't- but they were not in the same league as the bickering/ whining/ fighting of my friend's 3 girls. It may be that too. Or it may indeed be ASN (2 of mine have ASN, DS2 not diagnosed until he was 18!). Whatever it is you need coping mechanisms.

Things that worked for me:

  • Having a bag/ the car/ lunch/snacks/clothes ready the night before so I could just grab & go if I needed to get them out.

  • Summer holidays having lots of playdates organised at ours/friends/cousins houses. I found the MORE kids around the better. Also older kids are brilliant with 3 yr olds- I was lucky to have 10/12 yr old neighbours/cousins that loved being with wee ones.

  • Playing with them stopped fighting- e.g. digging in the sand with both of them, would that have helped? Having 6/7 spades/buckets helped too (also attracted other kids who would come to play). I had hours of 'driving" cars around the house/ beind dressed as a superhero doing the laundry/playing at cooking. Often DS1 wandered off to read/play independently, & DS2 was absorbed in our play & didn't realise.

*Being very silly a lot of the time. It definitely worked. Silly songs/ dancing holding their hands/saying ridiculous things to them/ nonsense chat. My mam was wonderful at this & it rubbed off.

Sorry if they don't seem practical or right for your two, just a few things that might appeal.

Good luck.