AIBU to worry about large numbers of undocumented men arriving in Spain?

[MaturingCheeseball]

Thousands of young men from Morocco and beyond swimming to Spain. Spain obviously has encouraged the problem with their amnesty for existing migrants, but thousands more arriving with no means of support and undocumented is going to cause huge problems. Large numbers will no doubt be ultimately trying to reach the UK.

It’s harsh, but we cannot accept infinite numbers of men.

Spanish authorities themselves said these people are most likely linked to criminal activity. Yet they did nothing to stop them? Wtf even is this.

I don't know but it's very worrying. Looting, throwing rocks at cars and setting them on fire. Europe is in big trouble.

If they are claiming asylum then they absolutely do have the right to be there. It is written explicitly in Article 14 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights and in the 1951 Refugee Convention. Documents which the UK not only signed but helped to write.

If they have no valid claim then it is within the UKs mandate to return them back to their home country.

Do you seriously believe that?

And when those claims fail because they are all utter bollox... we don't / can't even get rid of them.
We need to leave the ECHR and formulate one which suits our country.

That's simply not true. 38,000 people were deported from the UK in 2025.

Yes.

The poor people of Ceuta. They must be terrified.

Drop in the ocean.

I didn't say that I was in favour of totally unregulated immigration. I said that the UK does not need to worry about Moroccans trying to go there who have already reached Spain.

Spanish immigration policy is humane but not "unregulated". For example, having a criminal record would be a serious hindrance in the immigration process, as would committing an offence while here. We have a part of our penal code which states that in the case of a third country national who has not yet obtained the permanent right to residency (for which you must live here for minimum 5 years) and sentenced to between 1-5 years in prison then this is substituted for deportation. Equally if they get more than 5 years, they serve a portion of their time here and are then deported.

So we don't have "unregulated" immigration policy at all. Obviously I don't expect that to be common knowledge outside Spain, or even amongst Spanish people who are not educated in the finer points of our laws.

But this is one of those situations where before frothing at the mouth and scaremongering, knowledge of the actual relevant laws for the country both in matters of immigration and penal matters, really helps to be able to understand the situation properly, as opposed to just ranting about small boats and how Western culture is doomed and other such far right, racist hyperbole.

As I have said before, the British media is very good at frightening it's citizens about immigrants, divide and conquer etc. Meanwhile the population doesn't notice that your own society, your cost of living crisis, your insane energy bills, your crumbling health service etc etc are real examples of your own society being driven into the ground while the ultra rich line their pockets.

Documents that were written in a completely different time and generation, that are not fit for purpose today. These men and cultures aren’t interested in human rights, or laws etc. Get some new documents written up!! Abolish these “conventions”. This whole it can’t be done because of x, y z just doesn’t really wash in 2026.

Life, laws, policies, documents, rights all have to be adapted and amended as the world moves with the times.

Saying it just cannot be done, or is impossible is just weak and feeble minded.

We should just remove this then. Nor all countries are party to the refugee convention. Many countries just detain and deport.

We absolutely do notice all of the things you’ve mentioned and this is why until we get our own house in order we can’t accept anymore people. When you can’t support the people already here it’s madness to welcome more.

It's 40% of applicants. Hardly a drop in the ocean.

Ceuta used to be a significant point for the cannabis smuggling trade. Hash from Morocco would be sent to Spain via Ceuta, and thence into the rest of Europe.

This is probably a pre planned plot to get as many Moroccan people over and to take over the enclave as they consider it theirs rather than say a massive immigration into Spain proper.

You seem to know a lot about our economy and public services. It's as though you're really a UK citizen. Anyway, those illegal immigrants are committing crime on their arrival in Spain. You've got your own shit to deal with.

If you're talking about the Dublin Agreement it wasn't exactly a rip-roaring success ;

Year Transfers in to the UK Transfers out of the UK
2015 131 510
2016 558 362
2017 461 314
Even more strikingly, the Dublin Regulation inflow to the UK in the year 2018 was nearly six times the outflow. As the Home Office noted in February 2019: "There were 1,215 transfers into the UK under the Dublin Regulation. The majority (946) of these transfers came from Greece. There were just 209 transfers out of the UK under the Dublin Regulation. A quarter of these (51) were transfers to France."

Of course they are, this is a majority white country, but some groups of men who have settled here from overseas are disproportionately represented in sexual offences when you look at per capita data.

And how many were voluntary removals?

And how many were small boat migrants?

The vast majority of men, whether migrant or not, are not raping women. This is not a legitimate reason to be against them by itself. However whether they should/shouldn't be allowed in (although the right to seek asylum is a legal right) is not my point. Women's Aid even released a statement about "racialized concern" for women. These people do not care about women and children (they have convictions themselves!), they are merely using this issue to mask their racist ideologies.

Agree. Sounds almost idyllic.

https://news.sky.com/story/fact-checking-farage-are-foreigners-more-likely-than-britons-to-commit-sexual-offences-13407029

Spain recently legalized around 1mln illegal migrants and it is refusing to do anything about stopping people crossing from Morocco, including ruling that returning them back is not allowed. Of course it's a choice for Spain to make but it has an impact on its neighbours and wider EU due to border free travel. Immigration should be regulated and organized properly - not spontaneous where you don't even know who you are letting in.

She's on multiple threads just ignoring per capita

I lived and studied in the UK for a while.