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Is my DH manipulating or should I give him the money?

299 replies

mcrlover · Yesterday 21:43

Sorry for the long post, don't want to dripfeed.

My partner (not married) and I have been together 4 years and have a DD (1 year old). When we met, I was in quite a hippie mindset - we were travelling a lot. Partner was working freelance, before we met he had a thriving business and saved a lot of income. His business ended because the sector was becoming redundant. Since we met, he has still barely earned. At the start of the relationship he had motivation to try and make a new business work, but without a business partner he struggled. He was always the "doer" and relied on a business partner to handle the client acquisition etc - he is very shy and introverted. Also, we suspect, on the autistic spectrum.

Throughout the relationship I worked full time. We always kept finances separate and split costs 50:50. When I got pregnant the plan was for me to take maternity pay, then take unpaid maternity leave and live off my savings (my savings would have run out by the end). He has 10's of K in savings still, despite earning less than his outgoings for the 4 years (he had a lot saved to start with).

Luckily during my maternity leave I landed a very high paid job, and now earn a lot of income. My partner thinks I should give him half my salary each month, and I'm not sure if that's unfair, or if I'm being stingy saying no.

Since I earned more, I have been contributing proportionally more for shared costs and baby costs, which I think is fair. But I'm on a freelance contract, which is going well, but there's a chance it won't be renewed at the end of the year.

He said he can't find a job as he has burnout from all the travelling and logistics around it. So I agreed we settle in his home country near his family (although I would prefer settling near mine). He is also demanding half my income, despite having 10s of k in savings. He said he doesn't like spending his savings (but I want to save for pension and baby!! Neither of us have a pension)

And I'm worried that if I pay him so much he would lose any last push to find a job. I asked him what he would do if I split the income with him - he said he would let go of his already very very part-time income stream. I said he could either be a stay at home dad and we split my income, or he pays his way (while I still contribute more to shared costs).

FYI its not like he does more home chores - I do all the cleaning, cooking, baby food prep, childcare organisation, babys clothes, packing and unpacking her stuff, and pay for most of the full time childcare. He leads travel logistics/subletting the apartment.

I can't tell if he is genuinely burned out and I should help him get back on his feet by easing the financial stress. Or if he is taking me for a ride and I'm being manipulated.

AIBU: he has burnout, we co-parent, I earn more than him and it's fair I split my income with him?
Or AINBU: Paying him would amount to enabling, and I need to focus on saving responsibly?

OP posts:
Rhaidimiddim · Today 13:31

Don't move to his country without first researching what would happen if you didn't like it there, nothing improved in his attitude, and wanted to move back. You might find yourself unable to move back with your child, and stuck in his country.

Personally, he sounds like a dead weight round your neck. If a dead weight can ever also be a sponge.

chickenwings2 · Today 14:37

Omg no please don’t give him any money!!!! You should be receiving from him this is shocking

Jorge14 · Today 18:12

He sounds like a sponger to me

littlemisspigg · Today 18:22

mcrlover · Yesterday 21:43

Sorry for the long post, don't want to dripfeed.

My partner (not married) and I have been together 4 years and have a DD (1 year old). When we met, I was in quite a hippie mindset - we were travelling a lot. Partner was working freelance, before we met he had a thriving business and saved a lot of income. His business ended because the sector was becoming redundant. Since we met, he has still barely earned. At the start of the relationship he had motivation to try and make a new business work, but without a business partner he struggled. He was always the "doer" and relied on a business partner to handle the client acquisition etc - he is very shy and introverted. Also, we suspect, on the autistic spectrum.

Throughout the relationship I worked full time. We always kept finances separate and split costs 50:50. When I got pregnant the plan was for me to take maternity pay, then take unpaid maternity leave and live off my savings (my savings would have run out by the end). He has 10's of K in savings still, despite earning less than his outgoings for the 4 years (he had a lot saved to start with).

Luckily during my maternity leave I landed a very high paid job, and now earn a lot of income. My partner thinks I should give him half my salary each month, and I'm not sure if that's unfair, or if I'm being stingy saying no.

Since I earned more, I have been contributing proportionally more for shared costs and baby costs, which I think is fair. But I'm on a freelance contract, which is going well, but there's a chance it won't be renewed at the end of the year.

He said he can't find a job as he has burnout from all the travelling and logistics around it. So I agreed we settle in his home country near his family (although I would prefer settling near mine). He is also demanding half my income, despite having 10s of k in savings. He said he doesn't like spending his savings (but I want to save for pension and baby!! Neither of us have a pension)

And I'm worried that if I pay him so much he would lose any last push to find a job. I asked him what he would do if I split the income with him - he said he would let go of his already very very part-time income stream. I said he could either be a stay at home dad and we split my income, or he pays his way (while I still contribute more to shared costs).

FYI its not like he does more home chores - I do all the cleaning, cooking, baby food prep, childcare organisation, babys clothes, packing and unpacking her stuff, and pay for most of the full time childcare. He leads travel logistics/subletting the apartment.

I can't tell if he is genuinely burned out and I should help him get back on his feet by easing the financial stress. Or if he is taking me for a ride and I'm being manipulated.

AIBU: he has burnout, we co-parent, I earn more than him and it's fair I split my income with him?
Or AINBU: Paying him would amount to enabling, and I need to focus on saving responsibly?

Sorry OP I must have completely missed this bit- what value does he add to your life exactly?

MMUmum · Today 18:48

mcrlover · Yesterday 21:52

My gut is saying IANBU but I think I have such a complex about stinginess that I'm doubting myself, especially given how certain he is that splitting the income is the fair thing to do and he's saying I'm being unsympathetic to his burnout, not understanding his point of view, etc

He has a child, he can't afford to indulge in ' burnout' ( not devaluing anyone genuinely suffering btw, I know it exists) he needs to step up and get a job. He's entitled to half your salary to sit at home doing SFA? Like hell he is, time to have the harsh words with him op

WotsitsMadeIn1927 · Today 18:50

Do not let this man manipulate you in to supporting HIS LAZINESS.
He’s extremely cheeky and piss taking to even suggest halving your income.

Only contribute according to what you (both) earn. Make him use his fucking savings as you had to use yours.

Don’t let him take the piss out of your kind nature.

I’d say protect yourself and LTB

Bubbles90 · Today 19:09

Luckily you are not married. He has a child with you yet doesn't feel the need to provide and instead not only continues to live off you wants half of your income. I don't think so. Personally I would end the relationship. I would move near your family so that you have extra support. He is already doing thd bare minimum, there is no way he will step up to be a SAHD. You show your intent through actions, he's already shown you his intent.

N27 · Today 19:31

Absolutely not. You either go all in and share everything or you keep finance seperate. He doesn’t get to keep his and spend yours

ScribblingPixie · Today 19:32

OMG, what? No, of course you shouldn't give him half of your income. You would also be crazy to move to his home country. This is all going the wrong way, OP, and you need to stay in control of your life.

Whatinthedoopla · Today 19:35

50/50 isn't just about money, it's about what we contribute to the household.

If he isn't working, and not contributing towards the house admin, chores, baby caring, working, the. He doesn't get the benefits, which is your half of your money.

He gets to stay at home not having a job and not doing much, while you are doing a lot! I can imagine it's great of course to have him around, but you are also not married, he can leave you and leave with your salary, his savings, and nothing to give back to you.

I just don't think he should have half if he isn't contributing at least half in the household a s you are aren't married.

Vanillaicelatte · Today 19:39

do you have low self esteem
do you think that you couldn’t get any better than this freeloading controlling dickhead

PhotoFirePoet · Today 19:54

Loulou4022 · Yesterday 22:00

What
the
absolute
fuck!!!!
He’s doing no housework/ childcare or working/ earning a wage! and he expects you to give him half of your wages while you’re working full time and carrying the load at home! Have I got that right??
He can fucking jog on and tell him not to let the door hit him on the way out!!

This!!

mrssunshinexxx · Today 19:54

Why are you having a baby with this man

mcrlover · Today 20:30

Thanks once again everyone for waking me up to this. I think since I hadn't spoken to anyone about this so plainly, the goalposts shifted so gradually over a long time and I didn't really see until now. Like a frog in slowly boiling water!

I'm gonna tell him tomorrow that no we aren't splitting my income, no DD and I won't move to his home country, but if he thinks moving there is what he needs to recover from the burnout then he should move there alone and come visit DD and I periodically. I'm going to try to keep it civil but be firm.

Today I told him if his burnout is so bad then he needs to get therapy, and he did make the call while I was there, but I'm not going to hold my breath regarding whether he actually does it.

In the meantime, if he does go back to his home country, I'll move back to my UK hometown with DD. Thank God I have a very supportive family who are more than willing to support looking after her. If he decides to join us in the UK then will need to be very clear that he'll need to either stick it out with therapy and/or get a job that pays his way, or the relationship won't last.

I must have low self-esteem to have reached to this point, therapy for myself too is actually a great idea, thank you so much everyone

OP posts:
RisingSunn · Today 20:37

OP I'm so pleased to read that you are seeing things for what they are.

Cetim · Today 20:49

Half your salary when you do the chores, meal preps etc. Yes if he was a full time sahd who did everything to run the home and I mean everything. Then yes it would make sense you pay all bills and food etc. And possibly give him something of a stipend. But half when he doesn't sound like he does much is an absolute joke

ScribblingPixie · Today 21:16

Phew, back from the brink!

grumpygrape · Today 21:29

mcrlover · Today 20:30

Thanks once again everyone for waking me up to this. I think since I hadn't spoken to anyone about this so plainly, the goalposts shifted so gradually over a long time and I didn't really see until now. Like a frog in slowly boiling water!

I'm gonna tell him tomorrow that no we aren't splitting my income, no DD and I won't move to his home country, but if he thinks moving there is what he needs to recover from the burnout then he should move there alone and come visit DD and I periodically. I'm going to try to keep it civil but be firm.

Today I told him if his burnout is so bad then he needs to get therapy, and he did make the call while I was there, but I'm not going to hold my breath regarding whether he actually does it.

In the meantime, if he does go back to his home country, I'll move back to my UK hometown with DD. Thank God I have a very supportive family who are more than willing to support looking after her. If he decides to join us in the UK then will need to be very clear that he'll need to either stick it out with therapy and/or get a job that pays his way, or the relationship won't last.

I must have low self-esteem to have reached to this point, therapy for myself too is actually a great idea, thank you so much everyone

Well done, sometimes half-boiled frogs can jump out of the pan. 🤗

Ejvd · Today 21:40

Why should he have 10s of Ks of savings and not you? No, in this situation, he can spend his savings while you accrue yours. Maybe when your savings match, you can consider pooling your incomes.

Bigcat25 · Today 21:58

Giving him half without even subtracting expenses is ridiculous! And he has savings.

Parcelpass · Today 22:06

This is terrible OP. I have never read anything like it on here. Who on earth does that? He sounds like a user do not move to his Country with him.

Sorry but you need to get rid of him.

THEDEACON · Today 22:38

YANBU Tell him to Fuck off and when he gets there to fuck off a bit further!!

Frillysweetpea · Today 23:00

So glad you have seen the situation for what it is and have a workable plan. Keep us posted, @mcrlover . I hope I'm wrong but I think you might need the support. A man who thinks it's ok to leave all the childcare and housework with you whilst he works very p/t then demand 50% of your earned income doesn't sound the easiest with whom to negotiate a changed lifestyle.

noodlebugz · Today 23:02

great update! Best of luck OP x

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