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Is my DH manipulating or should I give him the money?

301 replies

mcrlover · Yesterday 21:43

Sorry for the long post, don't want to dripfeed.

My partner (not married) and I have been together 4 years and have a DD (1 year old). When we met, I was in quite a hippie mindset - we were travelling a lot. Partner was working freelance, before we met he had a thriving business and saved a lot of income. His business ended because the sector was becoming redundant. Since we met, he has still barely earned. At the start of the relationship he had motivation to try and make a new business work, but without a business partner he struggled. He was always the "doer" and relied on a business partner to handle the client acquisition etc - he is very shy and introverted. Also, we suspect, on the autistic spectrum.

Throughout the relationship I worked full time. We always kept finances separate and split costs 50:50. When I got pregnant the plan was for me to take maternity pay, then take unpaid maternity leave and live off my savings (my savings would have run out by the end). He has 10's of K in savings still, despite earning less than his outgoings for the 4 years (he had a lot saved to start with).

Luckily during my maternity leave I landed a very high paid job, and now earn a lot of income. My partner thinks I should give him half my salary each month, and I'm not sure if that's unfair, or if I'm being stingy saying no.

Since I earned more, I have been contributing proportionally more for shared costs and baby costs, which I think is fair. But I'm on a freelance contract, which is going well, but there's a chance it won't be renewed at the end of the year.

He said he can't find a job as he has burnout from all the travelling and logistics around it. So I agreed we settle in his home country near his family (although I would prefer settling near mine). He is also demanding half my income, despite having 10s of k in savings. He said he doesn't like spending his savings (but I want to save for pension and baby!! Neither of us have a pension)

And I'm worried that if I pay him so much he would lose any last push to find a job. I asked him what he would do if I split the income with him - he said he would let go of his already very very part-time income stream. I said he could either be a stay at home dad and we split my income, or he pays his way (while I still contribute more to shared costs).

FYI its not like he does more home chores - I do all the cleaning, cooking, baby food prep, childcare organisation, babys clothes, packing and unpacking her stuff, and pay for most of the full time childcare. He leads travel logistics/subletting the apartment.

I can't tell if he is genuinely burned out and I should help him get back on his feet by easing the financial stress. Or if he is taking me for a ride and I'm being manipulated.

AIBU: he has burnout, we co-parent, I earn more than him and it's fair I split my income with him?
Or AINBU: Paying him would amount to enabling, and I need to focus on saving responsibly?

OP posts:
BreakfastAtSquiffanys · Today 04:47

I can't get over the fact that the OP is paying for full time childcare while her partner lies on a swooning couch, exhausted from printing their boarding passes

TempleHill · Today 05:08

Do I know you? I know too many women in this situation and suffer. Don't give him any money and leave. He is not working, not helping with childcare and not helping at home. He probably thinks you guys have a kid and you are stuck with him.

Do not give him anything. Leave unexpectedly in a way that he can't find you. You are not married. And please don't quit your job and go to his home country. Please promise all MNs that you will look after yourself and DC.

tara66 · Today 05:12

I think he is Italian.

Samewrinklesnewname · Today 05:24

Have you checked on the legalities of removing a child from his home country without its father’s permission?

Meadowfinch · Today 05:26

ShetlandishMum · Yesterday 22:00

I would stay in my well paid job. Not relocate with a man not having a clue about taking care of a family.

This. DO NOT relocate your child to his country. DO NOT place yourself in a situation where your social circle will be his family who will support his objectives against yours. DO NOT allow him to turn your dd into a legal bargaining chip.
And for goodness sake, do not give him any money OP.

Stay in your well paid job, in a country where you have the freedom to raise your child without interference and you have the income to provide properly for her.

Cheese55 · Today 06:19

MrsTerryPratchett · Yesterday 21:55

Are you already living in his home country? Because you are stuck there if you are.

Just to sum up... he works very part time while you cook, clean, work, paid for your own maternity and you're not married.

Do not get married, he'll take half of everything you have despite his savings. If he's a SAHD, he could also get primary residence of your child, if you split up. If he's on the spectrum and believes he's got burn out, he's not going to suddenly change his mind so this is it in terms of him ever working again.

Strangecat · Today 06:29

This is pure madness!!!!! wake up!!!
My DP tried this on me, although he didn’t ask for half my salary. I toughened up, told him some truth and that if he didn’t want to work, I would leave him with 2 toddlers in tow!
He quickly changed and found work.
People who experience a burn out, end up just taking a break, not giving up on life. He can always look for a job locally, even if it doesn’t pay much.
Don’t let him walk all over you!!!! He is taking the piss.. and do not move to his country!!!!

Duvetdayneeded · Today 06:30

Do not move to his country. Divorce him as he’s a loser and leach and he’s causing the breakup not you.

Duvetdayneeded · Today 06:30

I actually can’t believe how stupid and naive you’re being

IronEverything · Today 06:36

Just to make it abundantly clear, this man has not got burnout.

He's a lazy, scrounging, manipulative arse.

SnozPoz · Today 06:37

Leave this man and save for your future. He's a user. He has his own money and he should be using it like he expected you to use your savings while on maternity leave. Do not move to another country... he is looking to isolate you to make you more reliant on him and make it difficult for you to leave with your child. He should be providing for you and his child, not the other way round.

Coralsunset · Today 06:38

Cocklodger 🚨

lightseeker · Today 06:38

So hang on... while you were in maternity, you had to finance the whole thing via your own savings. But he kept his savings separate and gave you nothing?

Now he still wants to maintain his separate savings, but wants you to give him half your income every month? Is this some sort of joke??

Burnt out from travelling?! Really? What about burnt out from having a baby; doing everything and not being able to rely on the father for a penny?

UpDownAllAround1 · Today 06:44

He needed a business partner like he now needs a woman with a salary

LoudSnoringDog · Today 06:45

He’s taking the piss

thekitchensinkdouble · Today 06:45

Oh blimey OP, I am just reiterating what everyone has said already. I’d be inclined if there is one to hide your child’s passport too.

WhisperingHi · Today 06:46

Struggling to see what he brings to the table.

Gettingbysomehow · Today 06:46

mcrlover · Yesterday 22:42

Thank you all, yep just checked and Hague convention definitely would apply. Thank you for helping me see sense, didn't think the replies would be quite so unanimous, but this has helped snap me out of it

Thank God. I lay awake last night thinking about this and the potential horrors.

sesquipedalian · Today 06:52

So let me get this straight. You live in your “dream location”, but he wants you to move to his home country. He has savings which he won’t share, but expects you to pay him half your salary (for what, exactly?) Why are you even contemplating this, OP? You’re not married, and I don’t know which country you’re thinking of relocating to, but have you considered the rights that you and your DC would have? Would you even be able to bring DC home if (as seems inevitable) it were all to go horribly wrong? What of your rights - in many countries, an unmarried woman (and even a married woman, depending on where you are) has precious few. You need to stay out and keep your m8ney for you and DC, and get rid of this freeloader. You have a lot of life left - are you really prepared to support this drone throughout your DC’s childhood? And what sort of an example of fatherhood is he setting? Think what you want for yourself and your DC - I’m not feeling your DP is providing it.

Two2TooAlsoToToward · Today 06:53

TLDR: Cocklodger grooms woman for 4 years, making her question whether she should hand over half of her salary because he is burned out from years of unemployment and zero domestic labour.

Dandelionsand4leafclover · Today 06:54

Glad to see you've now seen the light OP and realise this is a very unhealthy relationship. Dump him and start a new life for you and your baby. Best wishes. x

BaffledAndBemusedToo · Today 07:00

Why work when you can get somebody to do it for you? Some people have no integrity. He’s showing you who he is.

Sartre · Today 07:01

mcrlover · Yesterday 22:04

I really don't want to put our DD through the instability and heartbreak of having separated parents living in different countries. But he is just totally unwilling to meet me halfway.

Agreed, I'd also embrace with open arms if he wanted to be a SAHD and actually pull his weight, would be happy to share all the income in that scenario. But this isn't the situation.

Not married because we've only been together 4 years - not against marriage, but we didn't feel a need to rush it - so many big life steps since we met anyway. And given his attitude to money I'm now very glad we aren't married!

Totally makes sense yeah, too soon to marry but fine to have a child…

Anyway, I can’t see what would be remotely appealing about this work shy man child who wants you to pay him half of your salary so he can stay at home doing very little. It isn’t just that he’s taken time out of work to be a SAHD which may make sense in some households. He’s avoided work since you met and let you fund him.

Why did you think having a child with him would be a good thing to do exactly? More to the point, why are you still with him?

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · Today 07:07

mcrlover · Yesterday 22:04

I really don't want to put our DD through the instability and heartbreak of having separated parents living in different countries. But he is just totally unwilling to meet me halfway.

Agreed, I'd also embrace with open arms if he wanted to be a SAHD and actually pull his weight, would be happy to share all the income in that scenario. But this isn't the situation.

Not married because we've only been together 4 years - not against marriage, but we didn't feel a need to rush it - so many big life steps since we met anyway. And given his attitude to money I'm now very glad we aren't married!

you cant make him not a be reasonable. Ultimately he sounds like the kind of guy that will doing what he wants and trash talk you / peddle that line about 'taking his child away from him / turning his child against him" to everyone no matter what you do.

You would be CRAZY to agree to what he is asking.

At some point prob when your child is school age he will be going on about being a SAHD
Do NOT let that happen - if needed split up otherwise even if he is doing little/ nothing in family court he can claim to be primary caregiver.

I know you say you doing want to split but this man isnt contributing enough financially / emotionally/ domestically.

As someone with a 4 and 2 yo you are going to be MUCH better off leaving him when your child is younger.

My strong advice use your money to get in therapy get a decent one and work out how to leave.

Busybeemumm · Today 07:08

You are already a single parent. What does he bring to the relationship. He isn't a Stay at home Dad if you are still doing the mental and physical load of running a home.

Do not give him any of your salary. Stop all the travelling. Do one big travel by yourself and your child and move back to your home country or wherever you want to live with your child. Thank God you are not married.

What kind of man let's you use all your savings while you are on maternity leave whilst sitting on his own savings. He clearly doesn't see the child are both of yours anyway so just make the arrangements and leave with your child.