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AIBU to attend a friend’s party when another friend was excluded?

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Ricecrispiesatsix · Today 12:25

I have a group of friends from a mutual hobby. We live locally to each other so share lifts to hobby nights and over the years have become close.

Friend A (let’s call her Clara) is now devastated at friend B (let’s call her Steph) for not inviting her to her birthday party and is furious at me for going to the party.

For context, Clara is not someone who finds life easy. She’s been diagnosed with autism, adhd, borderline personality disorder and depression. She has a dysfunctional family and is basically no contact with her parents, struggles to hold down a job, and struggles to sleep/feed herself properly. She also has a heart of a gold, is one of my best friends, godmother to my daughter and when I broke my foot last year she was absolutely there for us in a very practical way. Still now she’ll often pick up our kids from school and have dinner with us (mutually beneficial as it gets her out the house and eating something nutritious!).

Clara went through a break up last year and for about a year things got really bad. She barely left her house, when she did come to hobby nights she’d cry outside the room while we took it in turns to sit with her. During these months, social occasions would often be dominated by her crying, sometimes until 1 or 2 in the morning. We’d have the same conversations with her over and over again, literally hundreds of times and it was quite emotionally draining.

She can also be quite argumentative, sees the world in black and white and has had a few autistic meltdowns when things haven’t gone her way. These look like her shouting, swearing and storming off. Often directed at Steph who has a very different approach to life than Clara. Steph is the kind of person who dances through life. She’s super bubbly and friendly, successful in her career, has loooads of friends and generally has rock solid boundaries around protecting her free time and her peace.

Steph is basically done. She values having a drama free life and has decided to only spend time with people who bring her joy. She has stopped inviting Clara to her events. Clara is understandably hurt and confused by this and feels excluded.

Last weekend was Steph’s birthday and she had a small party in her garden. On Friday Clara asked in the group chat whether anyone wanted to hang out at the weekend. None of us mentioned Steph’s party, we just gave the times we were free to do something with Clara. Clara then asked me directly “is Steph having a party for her birthday?” and I answered her truthfully. I figured it’d be worse if she found out afterwards that we were all there without her.

Clara spent the entire weekend and next 3 days at home crying. Which is probably an over reaction but Clara has lots of trauma from previous friendships that ended badly and I feel terrible. Should I not have gone to Steph’s party out of solidarity for Clara? And going forward can I be friends with both of them? Steph has clearly said she’s done with Clara’s drama, and Clara thinks Steph is a selfish fuck. I can see both sides. But now Clara is quitting the hobby that she loves because Steph is there and it’s all very sad and difficult.

Sorry it’s long. Hard to strike the right balance between brevity and not drip feeding!

OP posts:
ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · Today 15:59

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · Today 15:57

and I'm curious about what it is that Steph does which causes her to become so disegulated that she melts down

So now Clara’s manipulative, shitty behaviour is Steph fault? 🤦‍♀️

An autistic meltdown is not manipulative behaviour.

usernumbernotfound · Today 16:03

AliceMcK · Today 12:34

Team Steph here. I too don’t put up with drama, stress in my life any more, Clara sounds far to hard to deal with, it dosnt matter about what’s going on in her head or life your an adult and she can’t tell you who to be friends with or hang out with, your not children and even if you were I teach my children no one can tell them who they can be friends with.

I am also team Steph. I have got to the point in my life where I have so many personal responsibilities I simply wouldnt have the energy or the time to sit up with someone sobbing every night until 2am no matter how much of a good friend they were. I just dont have it in me along with all my other family and business responsibilities.

Steph hasn't done anything wrong, she has simply drawn a boundary. You need to do that same and say that you want to remain friends with both of them and wont get involved in this.

Coconutter24 · Today 16:03

Clara is understandably hurt and confused by this and feels excluded.

I get she’s hurt that’s understandable but why is she confused? She must know she does all of the stuff in the OP. I wouldn’t want my birthday party to be spent with someone crying in the corner.
Yanbu to go to your friends party

CaramelCaramac · Today 16:05

HermioneWeasley · Today 15:32

Exactly @MrsTerryPratchett . I am
nit a psychologist but the behaviours as described would seem to be more explained by the BPD.

@HermioneWeasley if you’re not qualified in any way and don’t know Clara, is this just a feeling?

ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · Today 16:06

usernumbernotfound · Today 16:03

I am also team Steph. I have got to the point in my life where I have so many personal responsibilities I simply wouldnt have the energy or the time to sit up with someone sobbing every night until 2am no matter how much of a good friend they were. I just dont have it in me along with all my other family and business responsibilities.

Steph hasn't done anything wrong, she has simply drawn a boundary. You need to do that same and say that you want to remain friends with both of them and wont get involved in this.

Nobody asked her to sit up until 2am with Clara, and OP states that Clara was leaning on her friends for support after a break-up "for about a year" indicating it's over now.

She didn't just refuse to provide 1-2-1 support for Clara, she actively excluded Clara from an invite which included all the rest of the group.

cestlavielife · Today 16:06

Clara needs help therapy. It is nott normal to cry for hours even if asd.
And expecting or demanding people sit with her while she cries for hours
Advise her to seek help.

Instructions · Today 16:07

Clara is understandably hurt and confused by this

Clara spent the entire weekend and next 3 days at home crying

Steph has clearly said she’s done with Clara’s drama, and Clara thinks Steph is a selfish fuck

Clara thinks Steph is the selfish one?

Clara sounds extremely controlling and draining.

usernumbernotfound · Today 16:08

ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · Today 16:06

Nobody asked her to sit up until 2am with Clara, and OP states that Clara was leaning on her friends for support after a break-up "for about a year" indicating it's over now.

She didn't just refuse to provide 1-2-1 support for Clara, she actively excluded Clara from an invite which included all the rest of the group.

Doesnt matter - noone is owed friendship are they?

If Steph cant handle being friends with her due to past behaviour then that is entirely Steph's choice

OxfordCircus · Today 16:08

thisandthats · Today 13:38

Autistic people literally don't have the ability to be manipulative. She's just socially clueless because that's basically what autism is.

Autistic people literally don't have the ability to be manipulative.

This is just not true. Autistic people are also not a monolith.

CaramelCaramac · Today 16:09

Coconutter24 · Today 16:03

Clara is understandably hurt and confused by this and feels excluded.

I get she’s hurt that’s understandable but why is she confused? She must know she does all of the stuff in the OP. I wouldn’t want my birthday party to be spent with someone crying in the corner.
Yanbu to go to your friends party

I would guess that Clara is still in the group chat and not blocked by Steph. So she’s confused, but not stupid. She worked out that she’s not invited. It would have been better for Steph to say “Everyone is busy because they’re at my birthday party and you’re not invited Clara, I have stopped inviting you to my events, but the others are happy to spend time with you away from me” - that’s a clear message.

ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · Today 16:13

usernumbernotfound · Today 16:08

Doesnt matter - noone is owed friendship are they?

If Steph cant handle being friends with her due to past behaviour then that is entirely Steph's choice

Being close friends is one thing.

Leaving someone out is Regina George territory.

I'm absolutely not surprised that Clara is quitting the hobby- how humiliating for her to walk into a room knowing that she's the only one who wasn't wanted for being "too difficult" and that not one other person thought highly enough of her to say that they wouldn't be participating in it.

CaramelCaramac · Today 16:13

OxfordCircus · Today 16:08

Autistic people literally don't have the ability to be manipulative.

This is just not true. Autistic people are also not a monolith.

Neurotypical people are also not a monolith. Some are kinder and more patient than others, for example.

ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · Today 16:15

CaramelCaramac · Today 16:13

Neurotypical people are also not a monolith. Some are kinder and more patient than others, for example.

And some learn the triggers for ND people, pull them until they cause a meltdown, and then say, "Look how dreadful she is!"

RoseField1 · Today 16:18

CaramelCaramac · Today 14:52

That’s what Steph did, yes. I hope Steph continues to breeze her way through life and doesn’t have any reason to cry, because crying is bad. Crying means you don’t get to go to parties any more.

You are clearly projecting

PissedOffAutistic · Today 16:20

thisandthats · Today 15:26

Me. I am autistic.

I am autistic and can assure you that being autistic does not necessarily prevent being manipulative. Autism affects people differently

RoseField1 · Today 16:20

thisandthats · Today 15:26

Me. I am autistic.

Your sample size of one person means you're an authority to claim that autistic people aren't capable of manipulation?

Imanautumn · Today 16:21

Dolcecof · Today 12:30

Are you all in year 7?

No one person has serious mental health issues were you not reading??

RoseField1 · Today 16:22

ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · Today 15:59

An autistic meltdown is not manipulative behaviour.

EUPD is characterised in part by manipulation. She has been diagnosed with EUPD. She is more than capable of being manipulative AND autistic.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · Today 16:22

CaramelCaramac · Today 14:29

Is Clara meant to sense by some sort of intuition that she’s not invited?

Not getting an invitation is a clue, surely, @CaramelCaramac

LilacReader · Today 16:24

Dolcecof · Today 12:30

Are you all in year 7?

Love these people that feel feel the need to mock rather than help!

usernumbernotfound · Today 16:24

ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · Today 16:13

Being close friends is one thing.

Leaving someone out is Regina George territory.

I'm absolutely not surprised that Clara is quitting the hobby- how humiliating for her to walk into a room knowing that she's the only one who wasn't wanted for being "too difficult" and that not one other person thought highly enough of her to say that they wouldn't be participating in it.

I disagree - by your rationale, this means Steph has to remain friends with her forever and has no ability or agency to make her own decisions about whom she spends time with.

Thats wrong.

This is also true:

EUPD is characterised in part by manipulation. She has been diagnosed with EUPD. She is more than capable of being manipulative AND autistic.

NinjaCoffee · Today 16:27

Jesus! This sounds like teenage drama! Has Steph actually spoke to Ciara and explained why she has stopped inviting her to social events? Or has she basically ghosted her? I can understand Steph, some friends just become hard work and especially in your late thirties you want to be done with the drama, however I think Steph needs to be honest about this, with Ciara! You did nothing wrong.

nomas · Today 16:28

ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · Today 16:06

Nobody asked her to sit up until 2am with Clara, and OP states that Clara was leaning on her friends for support after a break-up "for about a year" indicating it's over now.

She didn't just refuse to provide 1-2-1 support for Clara, she actively excluded Clara from an invite which included all the rest of the group.

You're conveniently forgetting this part of the OP - "During these months, social occasions would often be dominated by her crying, sometimes until 1 or 2 in the morning. We’d have the same conversations with her over and over again, literally hundreds of times and it was quite emotionally draining.’

You can't force adult women to be friends with soneone because autism.

firstofallimadelight · Today 16:37

Clara needs to find some coping mechanisms. I’m autistic and I would not have the patience to go over the same things whilst someone cries that sound debilitating. I would not put anyone through that.
you are not wrong and neither is Steph. I suspect Clara has never had a meltdown with you because you have never challenged her before.

ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · Today 16:38

nomas · Today 16:28

You're conveniently forgetting this part of the OP - "During these months, social occasions would often be dominated by her crying, sometimes until 1 or 2 in the morning. We’d have the same conversations with her over and over again, literally hundreds of times and it was quite emotionally draining.’

You can't force adult women to be friends with soneone because autism.

She said that phase is over. Going through a tough time and being upset a lot on a temporary basis isn't a crime. She probably assumed her friends cared about her.