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Why does everyone hate us so much ?!

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englandd · Yesterday 08:52

I’m talking about being English, spent alot of time on the cesspit that is Reddit this World Cup and the vast majority absolutely hate England, I known it stems from the British empire but as far as I’m aware it wasn’t just England who were bad back then was it ? I mean Spain and Portugal took a big part in colonialism too but why is it just the English that gets the hate ?
Last night I would’ve been genuinely happy to support Norway if they went through, I can’t imagine hating another nation so badly. Maybe I shouldn’t take it personally 😆

Aibu ? Do we deserve the hate we get from something that happened hundreds of years ago ? For what it’s worth the British empire were ruthless and I don’t celebrate anything they did, but I also don’t think we should be punished still for something that happened so so long ago.

OP posts:
icingonmycupcake · Yesterday 17:27

englandd · Yesterday 08:52

I’m talking about being English, spent alot of time on the cesspit that is Reddit this World Cup and the vast majority absolutely hate England, I known it stems from the British empire but as far as I’m aware it wasn’t just England who were bad back then was it ? I mean Spain and Portugal took a big part in colonialism too but why is it just the English that gets the hate ?
Last night I would’ve been genuinely happy to support Norway if they went through, I can’t imagine hating another nation so badly. Maybe I shouldn’t take it personally 😆

Aibu ? Do we deserve the hate we get from something that happened hundreds of years ago ? For what it’s worth the British empire were ruthless and I don’t celebrate anything they did, but I also don’t think we should be punished still for something that happened so so long ago.

I'm seeing a lot of this on social media lately. I think it's important that all countries should acknowledge their history. The good. And the bad.

ALL countries. Not just us.

In terms of colonialism, do you see anyone giving the French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Germans or Belgians a hard time?
Colonisers outside of Europe include, Japan, the US, Turkey, Arab Islamic Empire, Mongol Empire, China etc

Italy, Greece, and Egypt have all been colonisers.

Britain being singled out in this regard is starting to piss me off. I'm all for a 'mea culpa' for whatever we contributed negatively to the world. But. We also contributed many positives. Which the naysayers seem to conveniently disregard when they're putting the boot in.

In terms of the slave trade there's little acknowledgment of Africa's culpability by capturing and selling its own people into slavery. And practically no acknowledgement that it was the British that abolished slavery.

My biggest gripe is that we're telling young kids that they should have 'white guilt and shame' for simply existing. And that the current populace should flagellate themselves for the 'sins of the past'.

Do you see the rest of the world following suit? Do you bollocks?

Britain should not be a scapegoat for the world's collective bad behaviour.

People are over it. Including committed leftists like me. Because the unfortunate knock on effect is that it's pushing moderates in the electorate towards the right.

NickSaidSheWasDull · Yesterday 17:27

British people are great. So funny, talented, and kind. I love them. I love Judi Dench and Maggie Smith, I love Tom Jones and Boy George, I love Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie, I love Jane Austen and The Brontes, I love Oxford and Cambridge, I love John Betjeman, Keats and Donne, I love Hugh Grant and Colin Firth, I love Pie and Liquor, I love The Lambeth Walk, I love Our huge Art Galleries, Mary Quant, Twiggy, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, The Moody Blues. Etc etc etc etc

nit picking about Britain is akin to complaining about the sky not being high enough for you.

Matronic6 · Yesterday 17:28

I don't think people generally dislike the English. Lived in England for years and indifferent to most of their competitive sports ventures. I do think this is actually a very decent team and would like to see them do well.

But I do find when playing against them the likes of rugby, some of the fans are just dicks. I remember watching the an Ireland /England game in an Irish pub of all places and a lot of the England fans were incredibly obnoxious. Never experienced it in when playing against Scotland or Wales.

Some of the comments on here have that same kind of attitude.

x2boys · Yesterday 17:28

Leopardprintbikini · Yesterday 17:25

That song isn't about confidence at all. It's about knowing we're only going to go so far without winning, and that it's nice to dream that we will. You can tell you've only ever listened to the chorus.

Head bang wall!

Goditsmemargaret · Yesterday 17:28

I'm giving this all more consideration than I should for someone not even into football anymore.

I genuinely have a feeling of dread when I think about England football supporters. I wonder is it because I'm nearly 50 and if hooliganism has been cleaned up I still predominantly remember the earlier decades of my life? The average age on MN would be similar I think.

I remember my dad reading news reports as a child to me. I remember as a teenager in Dublin City avoiding gangs of horrible English tourists - older men who would intimate and leer at us.

Most vividly I remember being in Thailand in my twenties when both Ireland and England were in the World Cup. We arrived to Koh Samui the day of an Ireland match by speed boat and had to swim onto the beach. On the beach the Ireland supporters were all cheering us as we had our flags on our bags. It was so much fun, arriving and charging into the excitement, making instant friends, romances and all that youthful hysteria.

On the third or fourth night we were all sitting in a bar waiting for the England game to begin. Two slightly older - late twenties - English blokes walked in. They were very goodlooking and had a horrible air about them. They had two young thai women with them. As the evening went on, our table became tense, they were shouting over to the blokes on our table to do a trade for me and one of my friends. The blokes on our table left saying they didn't want any hassle and we stayed to watch the match. The blokes were ignoring us by now.

I can't even remember what match it was but it went to penalties, the opponents missed one and England scored the next one. One of the guys roared in excitement and then after he'd stopped cheering he turned to his Thai companion and yelled in her face "why are you just sitting there, you stupid fucking bitch" and slammed her face onto the table. I can still see her now lifting her face, nose pumping blood. She ran, we went after her but she didn't want to talk to us and her friend waved us away. We would see them then, still with the two Thai girls walking after them being ignored.

Maybe it isn't fair to tar everyone with that brush but I have travelled a lot in my life and I have not noticed other nationalities behaving as English do abroad. I am an early bird now too so rarely out in bars and clubs, maybe things are very different now. If we are out for dinner and I see lots of tattooed British, all day drinking types I'll keep walking onto the next place.

x2boys · Yesterday 17:30

Matronic6 · Yesterday 17:28

I don't think people generally dislike the English. Lived in England for years and indifferent to most of their competitive sports ventures. I do think this is actually a very decent team and would like to see them do well.

But I do find when playing against them the likes of rugby, some of the fans are just dicks. I remember watching the an Ireland /England game in an Irish pub of all places and a lot of the England fans were incredibly obnoxious. Never experienced it in when playing against Scotland or Wales.

Some of the comments on here have that same kind of attitude.

Wwll there been some obnoxius comments from
Scottish and Irish posters too.

Backedoffhackedoff · Yesterday 17:31

icingonmycupcake · Yesterday 17:27

I'm seeing a lot of this on social media lately. I think it's important that all countries should acknowledge their history. The good. And the bad.

ALL countries. Not just us.

In terms of colonialism, do you see anyone giving the French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Germans or Belgians a hard time?
Colonisers outside of Europe include, Japan, the US, Turkey, Arab Islamic Empire, Mongol Empire, China etc

Italy, Greece, and Egypt have all been colonisers.

Britain being singled out in this regard is starting to piss me off. I'm all for a 'mea culpa' for whatever we contributed negatively to the world. But. We also contributed many positives. Which the naysayers seem to conveniently disregard when they're putting the boot in.

In terms of the slave trade there's little acknowledgment of Africa's culpability by capturing and selling its own people into slavery. And practically no acknowledgement that it was the British that abolished slavery.

My biggest gripe is that we're telling young kids that they should have 'white guilt and shame' for simply existing. And that the current populace should flagellate themselves for the 'sins of the past'.

Do you see the rest of the world following suit? Do you bollocks?

Britain should not be a scapegoat for the world's collective bad behaviour.

People are over it. Including committed leftists like me. Because the unfortunate knock on effect is that it's pushing moderates in the electorate towards the right.

I don’t get these posts. How do you know the French Belgians Dutch etc don’t get a hard time?

do you assume because you don’t see it in England, in English, in front of you, that it just doesn’t happen?

Leopardprintbikini · Yesterday 17:31

Thepeopleversuswork · Yesterday 15:33

I’m English and like football and I loathe “Its coming home.” There’s something about it that manages to be both jingoistic and utterly pathetic at the same time.

I have to leave the room in embarrassment when it’s being sung.

Lmao, read the lyrics you absoute fruitcake. I'm pretty sure that everyone breathes a sigh of relief when you leave the room.

In2mindsss · Yesterday 17:31

Goditsmemargaret · Yesterday 17:28

I'm giving this all more consideration than I should for someone not even into football anymore.

I genuinely have a feeling of dread when I think about England football supporters. I wonder is it because I'm nearly 50 and if hooliganism has been cleaned up I still predominantly remember the earlier decades of my life? The average age on MN would be similar I think.

I remember my dad reading news reports as a child to me. I remember as a teenager in Dublin City avoiding gangs of horrible English tourists - older men who would intimate and leer at us.

Most vividly I remember being in Thailand in my twenties when both Ireland and England were in the World Cup. We arrived to Koh Samui the day of an Ireland match by speed boat and had to swim onto the beach. On the beach the Ireland supporters were all cheering us as we had our flags on our bags. It was so much fun, arriving and charging into the excitement, making instant friends, romances and all that youthful hysteria.

On the third or fourth night we were all sitting in a bar waiting for the England game to begin. Two slightly older - late twenties - English blokes walked in. They were very goodlooking and had a horrible air about them. They had two young thai women with them. As the evening went on, our table became tense, they were shouting over to the blokes on our table to do a trade for me and one of my friends. The blokes on our table left saying they didn't want any hassle and we stayed to watch the match. The blokes were ignoring us by now.

I can't even remember what match it was but it went to penalties, the opponents missed one and England scored the next one. One of the guys roared in excitement and then after he'd stopped cheering he turned to his Thai companion and yelled in her face "why are you just sitting there, you stupid fucking bitch" and slammed her face onto the table. I can still see her now lifting her face, nose pumping blood. She ran, we went after her but she didn't want to talk to us and her friend waved us away. We would see them then, still with the two Thai girls walking after them being ignored.

Maybe it isn't fair to tar everyone with that brush but I have travelled a lot in my life and I have not noticed other nationalities behaving as English do abroad. I am an early bird now too so rarely out in bars and clubs, maybe things are very different now. If we are out for dinner and I see lots of tattooed British, all day drinking types I'll keep walking onto the next place.

When you say you've travelled a lot, did you mean "spent a lot of time in trashy beach bars"?

BackToLurk · Yesterday 17:32

Goldenbear · Yesterday 17:11

I agree. How diverse is the Scottish team.

Well there's <checks notes> Leicester-born Ché Adams I suppose.

EssCarGo · Yesterday 17:32

ovals · Yesterday 17:23

Weird so many have a list of things they hate about a place they never think about.

Why is it difficult to understand.

We don’t walk around thinking about you.

When we are directly asked the question, that’s different.

A bit like how we don’t all wander around thinking about maths, but if someone asked what’s 2+2, we’d say 4.

Sigh.

Backedoffhackedoff · Yesterday 17:33

In2mindsss · Yesterday 17:31

When you say you've travelled a lot, did you mean "spent a lot of time in trashy beach bars"?

2 men 30 years ago too by the sound of it

nevernotmaybe · Yesterday 17:33

LightningTree · Yesterday 17:11

Let’s not forget that we were colonised by the French. They have kindly sent over the Bayeux Tapestry to remind us. Oh, and the Romans. And the Vikings behaved appallingly Smile.

Norway team and fans entire thing is proudly cosplaying as rapists and murderers who went to other countries and committed atrocities.

England fans sing the chorus of a song that is about English failure but keeping hope in the face of it.

On of these seems to be worth having a negative reaction to, and it isn't the one that happens in reality.

Goditsmemargaret · Yesterday 17:33

In2mindsss · Yesterday 17:31

When you say you've travelled a lot, did you mean "spent a lot of time in trashy beach bars"?

No (you absolute weirdo).

Dideon · Yesterday 17:35

Goditsmemargaret · Yesterday 17:28

I'm giving this all more consideration than I should for someone not even into football anymore.

I genuinely have a feeling of dread when I think about England football supporters. I wonder is it because I'm nearly 50 and if hooliganism has been cleaned up I still predominantly remember the earlier decades of my life? The average age on MN would be similar I think.

I remember my dad reading news reports as a child to me. I remember as a teenager in Dublin City avoiding gangs of horrible English tourists - older men who would intimate and leer at us.

Most vividly I remember being in Thailand in my twenties when both Ireland and England were in the World Cup. We arrived to Koh Samui the day of an Ireland match by speed boat and had to swim onto the beach. On the beach the Ireland supporters were all cheering us as we had our flags on our bags. It was so much fun, arriving and charging into the excitement, making instant friends, romances and all that youthful hysteria.

On the third or fourth night we were all sitting in a bar waiting for the England game to begin. Two slightly older - late twenties - English blokes walked in. They were very goodlooking and had a horrible air about them. They had two young thai women with them. As the evening went on, our table became tense, they were shouting over to the blokes on our table to do a trade for me and one of my friends. The blokes on our table left saying they didn't want any hassle and we stayed to watch the match. The blokes were ignoring us by now.

I can't even remember what match it was but it went to penalties, the opponents missed one and England scored the next one. One of the guys roared in excitement and then after he'd stopped cheering he turned to his Thai companion and yelled in her face "why are you just sitting there, you stupid fucking bitch" and slammed her face onto the table. I can still see her now lifting her face, nose pumping blood. She ran, we went after her but she didn't want to talk to us and her friend waved us away. We would see them then, still with the two Thai girls walking after them being ignored.

Maybe it isn't fair to tar everyone with that brush but I have travelled a lot in my life and I have not noticed other nationalities behaving as English do abroad. I am an early bird now too so rarely out in bars and clubs, maybe things are very different now. If we are out for dinner and I see lots of tattooed British, all day drinking types I'll keep walking onto the next place.

This is hilarious…

thisfilmisboring123 · Yesterday 17:36

EssCarGo · Yesterday 17:32

Why is it difficult to understand.

We don’t walk around thinking about you.

When we are directly asked the question, that’s different.

A bit like how we don’t all wander around thinking about maths, but if someone asked what’s 2+2, we’d say 4.

Sigh.

Interesting how "Sigh." always seems to appear right after someone mistakes disagreement for misunderstanding.

icingonmycupcake · Yesterday 17:36

Backedoffhackedoff · Yesterday 17:31

I don’t get these posts. How do you know the French Belgians Dutch etc don’t get a hard time?

do you assume because you don’t see it in England, in English, in front of you, that it just doesn’t happen?

Don't be obtuse. 🙄

ThisISmycircusandtheseAREmymonkeys · Yesterday 17:36

Backedoffhackedoff · Yesterday 17:33

2 men 30 years ago too by the sound of it

Weil to be fair, when you mention (some!) Brits abroad - behaviour on this thread to try to explain a different view, you get slammed. Even it it happened 30 years ago or yesterday.

ovals · Yesterday 17:36

Sigh 😂 don’t stop hating, it’s cute.

PanickingOnASunday · Yesterday 17:37

Whattheflock · Yesterday 08:59

It’s the jingoistic way you all bang on about it “coming home”, like England has the absolutely right to win everything - and how incredibly unbearable you will all be if you actually win.

it gives me the shivers.

come on Argentina!

Yeah. Yeah 'we all' do that.
Don't be daft.

NickSaidSheWasDull · Yesterday 17:38

I think people say horrid things on the internet. It’s a strange hobby, really.

Keepingittogetherstepbystep · Yesterday 17:39

Poppingby · Yesterday 09:00

Because many English football fans are racist thugs who have typically misbehaved in other people's countries probably.

Interesting take on things. When I went to Rome one solo trip I was warned by the tourist information rep not to wear any football colours whilst out and about.

I'm a football fan but wasn't there for football. It was shocking really to be told that. I've since watched a documentary on Ultras and now understand it.

Miyagi99 · Yesterday 17:39

englandd · Yesterday 09:07

See it’s this kind of thing too, you do know every single country in the world has their own (small minority) of complete dickheads supporting their team? You can’t tar the behaviour of some fans onto an entire nation

But football hooliganism originated in England and still exists yoga certainly extent. They just have a bad reputation because of that and Brits abroad generally.

x2boys · Yesterday 17:41

Goditsmemargaret · Yesterday 17:28

I'm giving this all more consideration than I should for someone not even into football anymore.

I genuinely have a feeling of dread when I think about England football supporters. I wonder is it because I'm nearly 50 and if hooliganism has been cleaned up I still predominantly remember the earlier decades of my life? The average age on MN would be similar I think.

I remember my dad reading news reports as a child to me. I remember as a teenager in Dublin City avoiding gangs of horrible English tourists - older men who would intimate and leer at us.

Most vividly I remember being in Thailand in my twenties when both Ireland and England were in the World Cup. We arrived to Koh Samui the day of an Ireland match by speed boat and had to swim onto the beach. On the beach the Ireland supporters were all cheering us as we had our flags on our bags. It was so much fun, arriving and charging into the excitement, making instant friends, romances and all that youthful hysteria.

On the third or fourth night we were all sitting in a bar waiting for the England game to begin. Two slightly older - late twenties - English blokes walked in. They were very goodlooking and had a horrible air about them. They had two young thai women with them. As the evening went on, our table became tense, they were shouting over to the blokes on our table to do a trade for me and one of my friends. The blokes on our table left saying they didn't want any hassle and we stayed to watch the match. The blokes were ignoring us by now.

I can't even remember what match it was but it went to penalties, the opponents missed one and England scored the next one. One of the guys roared in excitement and then after he'd stopped cheering he turned to his Thai companion and yelled in her face "why are you just sitting there, you stupid fucking bitch" and slammed her face onto the table. I can still see her now lifting her face, nose pumping blood. She ran, we went after her but she didn't want to talk to us and her friend waved us away. We would see them then, still with the two Thai girls walking after them being ignored.

Maybe it isn't fair to tar everyone with that brush but I have travelled a lot in my life and I have not noticed other nationalities behaving as English do abroad. I am an early bird now too so rarely out in bars and clubs, maybe things are very different now. If we are out for dinner and I see lots of tattooed British, all day drinking types I'll keep walking onto the next place.

So British or English ?
As you seem to be conflating the two

In2mindsss · Yesterday 17:42

Miyagi99 · Yesterday 17:39

But football hooliganism originated in England and still exists yoga certainly extent. They just have a bad reputation because of that and Brits abroad generally.

Ironic, considering the word "hooligan" comes from a notorious gang of Irish pissheads who were living "abroad" and trashing their new locality

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