AIBU to have little sympathy for prisoners during the heatwave?

[PenelopeJoanSterling]

Metro article about prisoners and the heatwave, but if they behaved they would not be in prison ?

Im all for caring for humanity as a whole, but in terms of prisoners they did commit crimes and get locked up.

What's your experience in criminal justice then?

I find it funny that she’s lecturing me, when I wrote my dissertation on why our justice system doesn’t work anymore 😂

And drug recovery services.

No actual professional experience then.

Also citing a man who is pretty irrelevant due to his studies being awful!

can you explain how writing a dissertation has made you an expert in the matter ?

even if i had any professional id still need a large data set to make any meaningful conclusions

personally i prefer the trail blazer that was Zimbardo as he got there first and that was true raw data

Oh dear. I am far from angry, just astonished that people like you make such ill-considered statements and then wonder why they don’t get taken seriously.

“ I’m all for caring for humanity as a whole “

Except for humans in prison. Fair enough, but you surely see the contradiction? You’re entitled to your opinion of course but you can’t have it both ways so better to be honest. You’re not for caring for humanity as a whole regardless of what they have done. So don’t say you are.

your argument assumes that caring for humanity required equality for each individual, thats one ethical position but its not the only one, i can care about humanity as a whole while beliving justice requires treating the offenders differently,

ah the joys of oxford and how we truly need to define each word and the context of how we use the words before applying them into general usage. i believe thats where the confusion lies

At the end of the day we have to weigh up priorities, and to me, hard-working law-abiding people should take priority over law-breaking criminals. Every time. The country should be run for the benefit of tax-paying law-abiders and law-breakers should be dealt with in whichever way inconveniences law-abiding tax-payers the least. Sorry but the "rights" of criminals cease to be a concern when they choose to break the law and violate the right of others to live in a prosperous and peaceful society unblighted by crime.

Yes you are unreasonable. Prisons are for rehabilitation as well as punishment. The punishment is deprivation of liberty, which also includes accommodation which is less comfortable than home (in general - there are plenty for whom it is the best they’ll ever have). That doesn’t include unbearable heat 24/7. And I speak as someone who works daily in the prison system and as someone who is personally affected by the acts of someone who is currently serving a whole life order and will never again see the light of day.

This post affirms why I keep away from judgmental, self absorbed people who have no concept, or any or desire to understand real life. I am very glad to have brought up young men with kindness, critical thinking and the resources to make reasoned judgments

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get a job with a criminal record?

what do you expect them to do if that is the barrier at every job application? Can you not see how self perpetuating it is?

It’s ok in my humble opinion to have sympathy for lots of people in prison during this time. The women in there who finally snapped after years of DV, the undiagnosed young fella that got into crime as a teen because he was vulnerable. There are lots of people in prison whose lives have been a cluster of absolute chaos and they are just perpetuating the cycle.
It’s ok to feel bad for those people. Systemic failures.

Then you have murderers and rapists and nonces and it’s also ok to not care how impacted they are, because they’ve not cared about harming others for their gratification. They’re the ones it’s hard to muster sympathy for. The people who are in prison who can’t be rehabilitated and will harm others again. It’s ok to not be concerned about their welfare.

Zimbardo’s study was ethically flawed, as well as methodologically flawed. He gave certain instructions to the “guards” which created the results.

You can “prefer” him all you want. It’s clear you’ve got no idea what you’re on about.

It’s clear I know a lot more than you - having studied this for three years and got a first class degree in the subject. My dissertation scored a 76, which is pretty decent!

I agree. I've come across the OP before on here and her posts suggest that you're correct.

I have a feeling the OP doesn't actually appreciate what a dissertation entails. Seems to fall into the category of everyone's opinions are valid, even if they know sweet fa about the subject. Dunning Kruger!

Its not necessary to have sympathy. Decisions and actions should be driven by pragmatism not all this emotion all the time.
Of course prisons should be at safe temperatures. Because if they're not, staff and inmates become unwell, which is costly and problematic, and when they are physically uncomfortable prisoners are harder for staff to control.
Decisions on priotising air con have to be made taking into account lots of things, risk factors and costs of not doing so included. If its decided to prioritise prisons over schools for example it won't be because people feel sorrier for prisoners than children. It will be because they're consider a higher overall risk.

Pretty much! The fact they think that Zimbardo’s study is somehow valid because he was a “trailblazer” is testament to that, given that it’s widely held to not be that reliable.

The weird thing is that OP seems to think a Metro news piece is the same as forcing her to have sympathy for prisoners? If you don't have sympathy just move the fuck on and think about something else. You do not need to start a thread on the internet complaining about something that doesn't affect your life one iota.

Virtue signalling. The harsher a time you wish on prisoners is a way to signal how much you care about victims, and what an upright moral person you are.

Yep and simultaneous vice signalling because it signals your contempt for the notion of universal human rights and dignity.