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If you support Farage, would you be able to explain why please.

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lightseeker · 10/07/2026 19:48

I know there have probably been other threads asking this, but really .... why?

Why would you say he is a "man of the people?"'(Public school educated stockbroker / multi millionaire)

Genuinely, what appeals about him?

If you voted Brexit, have you forgotten that he resigned from public office that day after his Leave campaign won?

It's an anonymous forum, so please be honest.

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NotMeAtAll · 11/07/2026 13:56

Resprayingmyaferraris · 10/07/2026 22:55

Anyway I find the reocuring theme of "stupid /I'll educated " and so on very distubring. It almost sounds like some people want to deprive people of the vote ??

"Stupid/ [ill] educated" people are entitled to vote.

PeachOctopus · 11/07/2026 14:06

Evaka · 11/07/2026 11:24

Lol re Islamophibia. I guess what I don't get is why people care so much if there are loads of children called Mohammed or there's been a double digits increase in the Muslim population. I don't get it! Is that inherently worse than a large number of people who practice Hinduism, Buddhism, Catholicism or whatever? Sincere q.

Well you may not be concerned that a homogeneous culture is being fragmented into different ethnic groups but there are certainly many who are worried.
The birth rate of the white population will fall below 50% in the next 6 years and so that generation will grow up as a minority population for the first time in our history.
It creates the possibility that different ethnic communities will form Northern Ireland like conditions for ethnic conflict with no group being in overall control.
Politics could easily divide along sectarian lines and it would be an economic disaster.

Onbdy · 11/07/2026 14:14

Izzyink · 10/07/2026 19:56

I doubt Reform voters are that bright. It's all about the 'boat' people to Reform voters.

This! I’m yet to meet one who doesn’t have a low IQ or who doesn’t lack the ability to question things.
It did not surprise me at all that all the vocal anti-vaxers on social media are now posting pro reform bollocks. Probably learnt all they know at the ‘university of life’!

ThatMauveQuail · 11/07/2026 14:42

lightseeker · 11/07/2026 12:47

I think you have misunderstood @Lemonraider . My point was that when you give people who already feel dispossessed a common cause to blame for their lot, this is used as a tool of distraction from the complexity of their dispossession.

Hitler could never have risen to power if Germany had not been on its knees (economically) due to having to pay crippling reparations for many years following the First World War. Hitler rise to power because he gave the poorest in German society someone to blame for their lot. 'Make Germany Great Again' was basically the message. Why should the Great German people be on bended knee, perpetually paying out to the US and other European countries, etc etc. And look - over here - the Jews are to blame. Yes, they are taking your jobs and using up all your services. Infiltrating our Christian culture .., etc etc etc. This is how Hitler rose to power. He would never have done so in a society in which people were feeling generally ok. Populists always have to give the public someone to blame. They have to instigate an 'Us and them' mentality to survive. People in poverty, or who can't take advantage of society for whatever reason, will always find it easier to blame someone else, rather than take responsibility for their lot. This is human nature, sadly, and these are the very sentiments that Reform mobilise. But they don't care about dispossessed people. They are just fodder.

Oh, FGS, not the tired old comparison of Reform to Hitler. When Blair brought in the minimum wage, people right of centre didn't scream, "Oh no, it'll be Stalin's gulags next!" This extreme, hysterical argument gets you nowhere. Wanting an effective border and an immigration policy that benefits the UK does not make you far right. It makes you sane.
The reasons this country is in a mess are many and complex. The reasons for white working class deprivation are many and complex. Farage and those who vote for him do not blame everything on immigration. That's just your facile misinterpretation. But what they do recognise is that immigration creates significant issues and they're willing to talk about them. Some people like politicians who call out problems, however uncomfortable. And some people like politicians who put their heads in the sand.

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 11/07/2026 14:54

lightseeker · 11/07/2026 13:24

I agree 100% that parties need to start listening. The country is broken.

But - the point is - Farage DOES NOT listen to his constituents or anyone - unless it's moaning about immigration or ''the establishment.'

When has he actually gone to Jayswick and actually listened to people's life stories. Someone might tell him - "Well, I never knew my dad and grew up on benefits, as did generations before me. I never finished school. I had a drug habit at 18 and ended up homeless. Got pregnant and ended up here. Now I have a chronic illness and claiming x,y,z benefits..,," Farage wouid just say - "Well clearly, this is all down to IMMIGRANTS and THE ESTABLISHMENT, my dear. Next..."

But you think that he doesn't listen, but the people who vote for him do and that is all that matters. Not what you think.

People are voting for him and you saying that he doesn't listen to them won't stop them.

Lemonraider · 11/07/2026 15:53

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 11/07/2026 14:54

But you think that he doesn't listen, but the people who vote for him do and that is all that matters. Not what you think.

People are voting for him and you saying that he doesn't listen to them won't stop them.

How does she know anyway? Everything she's written is anti Reform hubris. She's obviously never engaged with anything directly because Farage "makes her skin crawl" or has had the unpleasant experience of hearing "low IQ" people, to quote Onbdy's post, that failed to use sufficiently academic language and therefore cannot possibly have any impact on Reform policies.

More than anything else, people like these snobs are the problem in Britain now.

EvieBB · 11/07/2026 16:05

Lemonraider · 11/07/2026 15:53

How does she know anyway? Everything she's written is anti Reform hubris. She's obviously never engaged with anything directly because Farage "makes her skin crawl" or has had the unpleasant experience of hearing "low IQ" people, to quote Onbdy's post, that failed to use sufficiently academic language and therefore cannot possibly have any impact on Reform policies.

More than anything else, people like these snobs are the problem in Britain now.

THAT'S WHY SHE'S ASKING FGS = SHE'S CREATED A POST TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND YOU PEOPLE!

Petrolitis · 11/07/2026 16:14

lightseeker · 10/07/2026 20:14

Farage told them that Brexit would help them "Take Back Control." Now the average Brexit voter will be worse off than in 2016. Immigration has also increased. Yet they still vote for him!

Lets be honest, lots of people vote for him because they are rascist.

Look at the demographics who support him, their lives are shit compared to those in the middle of society or at the top. They blame easily visible brown and black people because they don't understand that they are the victims of structural equality and Farage is a multi millionaire with his boot on their necks who only wishes to exploit them for more money and more power.

After the Brexit vote a cleaner at work said he had voted that way because he doesn't want more P*s coming here.

Don't underestimate just how much rascism exists here.

Lemonraider · 11/07/2026 16:58

She's already told us she knows exactly what we think.

The "worst sentiments in society"

She's already told us exactly what Farage knows about what we think.

"But - the point is - Farage DOES NOT listen to his constituents or anyone - unless it's moaning about immigration or ''the establishment.'"

She's not interested in anything other than her own fixed views or the people with the "worst sentiments in society".

She's already made up her mind. Her intolerance and bigotry is in every post.

Lemonraider · 11/07/2026 17:04

Petrolitis · 11/07/2026 16:14

Lets be honest, lots of people vote for him because they are rascist.

Look at the demographics who support him, their lives are shit compared to those in the middle of society or at the top. They blame easily visible brown and black people because they don't understand that they are the victims of structural equality and Farage is a multi millionaire with his boot on their necks who only wishes to exploit them for more money and more power.

After the Brexit vote a cleaner at work said he had voted that way because he doesn't want more P*s coming here.

Don't underestimate just how much rascism exists here.

What exactly is wrong with not wanting more Pakistanis here? Or anymore people from 195 countries? We already have far too many people here. What's the limit? Why is this mandatory? Why do you consider it unacceptable to say that we have enough immigrants already? Do you know why you think that or do you just enjoy the opportunity to malign people who you consider inferior?

In the UK, an estimated 10 million people (roughly 14% to 15% of the total population) are foreign-born, while about 10 to 11 million identify with ethnic minority groups. The most recent national demographic statistics detail these populations: 1, 2, 3, 4]
Ethnic Minorities (England and Wales, 2021 Census)
Asian, Asian British, or Asian Welsh: 9.3% (5.5 million)
Black, Black British, Black Welsh, Caribbean, or African: 4.0% (2.4 million)
Mixed or Multiple Ethnic Groups: 2.9% (1.7 million)
Other Ethnic Groups: 2.1% (1.3 million) 1]
Immigrants / Foreign-Born Population
According to the Migration Observatory, roughly 10 million people residing in Britain were born outside the UK. 1, 2]
Top countries of birth for UK migrants include India, Poland, Pakistan, and Romania.
Regional Distribution: London is the most diverse, with over 40% of its residents born abroad.

Ethnic group, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

The ethnic groups of usual residents and household ethnic composition in England and Wales, Census 2021 data.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/bulletins/ethnicgroupenglandandwales/census2021

Flicitytricity · 11/07/2026 17:08

Personally, I think people are just so pissed off with Labour and Conservatives promising much, delivering little and screwing things up along the way, they are just looking for something, someone different. Someone who doesn't spout the usual drivel.

Believe it or not, I'm not a Reform supporter, I'm actually Labour through and through. BUT, I can understand people just wanting something different to happen politically because, let's be honest the last 29 years have been beige.

lightseeker · 11/07/2026 17:09

Petrolitis · 11/07/2026 16:14

Lets be honest, lots of people vote for him because they are rascist.

Look at the demographics who support him, their lives are shit compared to those in the middle of society or at the top. They blame easily visible brown and black people because they don't understand that they are the victims of structural equality and Farage is a multi millionaire with his boot on their necks who only wishes to exploit them for more money and more power.

After the Brexit vote a cleaner at work said he had voted that way because he doesn't want more P*s coming here.

Don't underestimate just how much rascism exists here.

Yes exactly. I know people claim that you can be concerned about immigration without being racist, and of course you can.

But there is no doubt that Reform have revealed and emboldened a very insidious type of racism. Not all Reform voters will be racist. But all racists would vote Reform.

Weirdly, families like mine would probably do well under Reform's stated tax 'policies.' If the stamp duty threshold became £700k - great for us trying to buy properties for our kids in London. Tax breaks for those who use private schools - great. Less inheritance tax - sure! I would still never vote for them though because at their core, they are rotten.

My question is - how do these type of stated tax policies actually help the people in Clacton who vote for him?

Hopefully he will lose to Binface. I doubt it, but you never know. That will be the end of Reform as they would be nothing more than a laughing stock after that.

inheritance tax

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Lemonraider · 11/07/2026 17:13

"don't understand that they are the victims of structural equality"

What is "structural equality?"

How does importing millions of poor people from extremely unequal countries where they haven't bothered to implement equality, it's not important to them, into Britain, where the law forces us to immediately PAY for them to have vastly upgraded "equal" lives from day one? When we don't have the money for it?

Can you explain why? How importing mass inequality which is extremely visible, easily understandable, and costly, and directly affects the actual British population's tax with absolutely no benefit to them all all, the opposite in fact.

How is it we don't understand this and yet are voting for the party that does and has policies to deal with, which you don't agree with. You want billionaires to continue importing low paid immigrants don't you? Or we are racist?

You can't even use the correct word but hey, we are the ones that don't understand.

lightseeker · 11/07/2026 17:18

@Lemonraider -

Ethnic Minorities (England and Wales, 2021 Census)
Asian, Asian British, or Asian Welsh: 9.3% (5.5 million)
Black, Black British, Black Welsh, Caribbean, or African:4.0% (2.4 million)
Mixed or Multiple Ethnic Groups:2.9% (1.7 million)
Other Ethnic Groups: 2.1% (1.3 million) about:blank 1]
Immigrants / Foreign-Born Population
According to the Migration Observatory, roughly 10 million people residing in Britain were born outside the UK. about:blank 1, 2]
Top countries of birth for UK migrants include India, Poland, Pakistan, and Romania.
Regional Distribution: London is the most diverse, with over 40% of its residents born abroad.

So what? Why state this as if it should be a shock or a bad thing?

The UK once went out and colonised huge swathes if the world. Now - not surprisingly - we have people drawn from those nations living among us / in all walks of life. We are far stronger for it. The average immigrant is more likely to be a net contributor relative to a white British person in the same demographic.

International migration, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

International migration, including country of birth, passports held and year of arrival, Census 2021 data.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/internationalmigrationenglandandwales/census2021

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ClarkeandNewman · 11/07/2026 17:20

ThatMauveQuail · 11/07/2026 00:53

Lots of typically daft MN comments on this thread.

  1. OP, it doesn't matter that Farage is a stockbroker etc. What a ridiculously blinkered view. He can still care about ordinary people, regardless of his background. Churchill had an aristocratic background but oversaw welfare state measures that benefited people beyond his class. Castro came from a privileged background but fought for communism in Cuba etc etc.
  2. Farage resigned after Brexit because he likely believed, like many who voted for Johnson, that the latter believed in Brexit and would take advantage of the many opportunities it offered. Farage had spent decades campaigning for Brexit and thought his job was done.
  3. Farage is not just about immigration. In the 2024 election debates he was the only politician honest enough to say that we spend so much on the NHS and yet, compared to other countries, we have worse outcomes relative to the money spent and that the model needs reform.
  4. UK businesses have crippling energy costs due to net zero zealotry. Labour want us to be highminded, poor and cold. Farage doesn't want that and nor do many of the electorate.
  5. Brexit was about democracy and sovereignty. Those things may not mean much to the majority of MN. More fool them. Farage is a conviction politician, who campaigned for decades to get a referendum and won.
  6. Finally, as an ex-teacher, who knows how much the "qualifications" MNetters love to use as evidence of their "intelligence"....these qualifications have been so dumbed down, particularly since Blair, and so many degrees are not worth the paper they are written on. There was a woman droning on in a previous post about how her gardener is a Reform voter and a bit thick. She is thick. There is a peculiar way of being thick characteristic of the left-wing middle class. You cannot have uncontrolled immigration and a welfare state. You cannot import thousands of men from misogynistic cultures and keep women and girls safe. People will vote for Farage because he, and they, are not insane enough to engage in the doublethink required to believe that diversity is a strength. "Diversity is a problem to be solved, not an advantage to be sought." ( Thomas Sewell)
  7. Finally, Farage and many of the Reform MPs are businessmen and know about creating wealth, unlike many of the Uniparty politicians, who only know how to reward the public sector and kill the private sector that pays for it.

I think if you're going to use that (unverified) quote in point six you might want to make it clear you're referring to Thomas Sowell, the economist, rather than Thomas Sewell the neo-Nazi. Otherwise, the main body of your text would make it hard for the typical reader to know which one you endorse.

(As an ex-teacher, you may also want to check the first sentence in point six too, because it doesn't make sense.)

Apart from that, your post is genuinely funny.

ClarkeandNewman · 11/07/2026 17:25

PeachOctopus · 11/07/2026 14:06

Well you may not be concerned that a homogeneous culture is being fragmented into different ethnic groups but there are certainly many who are worried.
The birth rate of the white population will fall below 50% in the next 6 years and so that generation will grow up as a minority population for the first time in our history.
It creates the possibility that different ethnic communities will form Northern Ireland like conditions for ethnic conflict with no group being in overall control.
Politics could easily divide along sectarian lines and it would be an economic disaster.

When have we ever had a homogeneous culture in the UK? Is such a thing even desirable?

I'd try to avoid hyperbole if I were you. You're clearly scared, but you don't need to try to scare other people with a list of things that aren't going to happen.

ClarkeandNewman · 11/07/2026 17:27

ThatMauveQuail · 11/07/2026 14:42

Oh, FGS, not the tired old comparison of Reform to Hitler. When Blair brought in the minimum wage, people right of centre didn't scream, "Oh no, it'll be Stalin's gulags next!" This extreme, hysterical argument gets you nowhere. Wanting an effective border and an immigration policy that benefits the UK does not make you far right. It makes you sane.
The reasons this country is in a mess are many and complex. The reasons for white working class deprivation are many and complex. Farage and those who vote for him do not blame everything on immigration. That's just your facile misinterpretation. But what they do recognise is that immigration creates significant issues and they're willing to talk about them. Some people like politicians who call out problems, however uncomfortable. And some people like politicians who put their heads in the sand.

I think you've just missed the entire point of that post. Impressive.

Swiftie1878 · 11/07/2026 17:27

lightseeker · 11/07/2026 17:18

@Lemonraider -

Ethnic Minorities (England and Wales, 2021 Census)
Asian, Asian British, or Asian Welsh: 9.3% (5.5 million)
Black, Black British, Black Welsh, Caribbean, or African:4.0% (2.4 million)
Mixed or Multiple Ethnic Groups:2.9% (1.7 million)
Other Ethnic Groups: 2.1% (1.3 million) about:blank 1]
Immigrants / Foreign-Born Population
According to the Migration Observatory, roughly 10 million people residing in Britain were born outside the UK. about:blank 1, 2]
Top countries of birth for UK migrants include India, Poland, Pakistan, and Romania.
Regional Distribution: London is the most diverse, with over 40% of its residents born abroad.

So what? Why state this as if it should be a shock or a bad thing?

The UK once went out and colonised huge swathes if the world. Now - not surprisingly - we have people drawn from those nations living among us / in all walks of life. We are far stronger for it. The average immigrant is more likely to be a net contributor relative to a white British person in the same demographic.

So immigration isn’t a problem? Is that what you’re saying?

We should just shut up and be grateful for it?

ClarkeandNewman · 11/07/2026 17:30

Swiftie1878 · 11/07/2026 17:27

So immigration isn’t a problem? Is that what you’re saying?

We should just shut up and be grateful for it?

Well yes. Why not? The pp is right; we are strengthened by diversity. That's a basic biological fact. It's also what makes life interesting.

lightseeker · 11/07/2026 17:34

"The birth rate of the white population will fall below 50% in the next 6 years and so that generation will grow up as a minority population for the first time in our history."

Again, so what? Do you think only white people can be British?

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Lemonraider · 11/07/2026 17:37

ClarkeandNewman · 11/07/2026 17:30

Well yes. Why not? The pp is right; we are strengthened by diversity. That's a basic biological fact. It's also what makes life interesting.

Do explain how having majority black and Asian towns like Birmingham has biologically strengthened "us".

Is it this percentage of people that has strengthened "us"? Are we all strengthened biologically because of those people? How does that work biologically? Osmosis? I will become stronger because there's a Somalian in the town? It all just gets stupider.

Mixed or Multiple Ethnic Groups:2.9% (1.7 million)

Lemonraider · 11/07/2026 17:38

lightseeker · 11/07/2026 17:34

"The birth rate of the white population will fall below 50% in the next 6 years and so that generation will grow up as a minority population for the first time in our history."

Again, so what? Do you think only white people can be British?

Why do you think the indigenous population should become a minority? What's your justification? Does this stand for everywhere? Are Nigerians racist for not becoming a minority in Nigeria? Please clarify.

Swiftie1878 · 11/07/2026 17:39

ClarkeandNewman · 11/07/2026 17:30

Well yes. Why not? The pp is right; we are strengthened by diversity. That's a basic biological fact. It's also what makes life interesting.

You are utterly deluded.
EVERYONE can see that immigration is a problem right now. Not just here, across Europe and the broader world. Schengen countries are even (illegally) closing their borders. It’s all kicking off in South Africa, and in the U.S., well…

Lemonraider · 11/07/2026 17:40

Swiftie1878 · 11/07/2026 17:39

You are utterly deluded.
EVERYONE can see that immigration is a problem right now. Not just here, across Europe and the broader world. Schengen countries are even (illegally) closing their borders. It’s all kicking off in South Africa, and in the U.S., well…

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Their sanctimony is a powerful drug. They are addicted to it.

lightseeker · 11/07/2026 17:41

Swiftie1878 · 11/07/2026 17:27

So immigration isn’t a problem? Is that what you’re saying?

We should just shut up and be grateful for it?

Human history is the history of migration @Swiftie1878 . It's inevitable. Those who can, will seek opportunities wherever they can. Nations are not static, but constantly evolving. Climate change will probably mean we all have to migrate within the next 100 years anyway. As in any wave of migration, some will adapt better than others.

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