If you support Farage, would you be able to explain why please.

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I know there have probably been other threads asking this, but really .... why?

Why would you say he is a "man of the people?"'(Public school educated stockbroker / multi millionaire)

Genuinely, what appeals about him?

If you voted Brexit, have you forgotten that he resigned from public office that day after his Leave campaign won?

It's an anonymous forum, so please be honest.

You don’t think immigration is a problem in this country?
That’s why people vote Reform - to make sure others know it IS a problem.

<I do not vote Reform, don’t like Farage, but recognise that immigration is a problem in the UK>

Or, just maybe, it is a true statement? A true statement that remainers object to because they continue, 10 years later, to be waah, waah, waah about the result? One day maybe they will learn that entitled foot-stamping doesn’t work, and does not replace democracy at work? None of the appointed political leaders at the time had the conviction, the heart, nor the boldness to properly and efficiently implement what the people voted for. Covid became the excuse, not the reason. Leavers have demonstrated extreme patience as they have watched the 10 years political pantomime … maybe in Reform they see a political party that cares more about serving Britain, than sucking up to the Fabian ‘rulers’ of Europe?

@Imanautumn Brexit couldn't have been done well because shortly after we left we had a global pandemic to deal with

@ThatMauveQuail unfortunatly the first major crime wave came with the Blair govs relaxing of EU workers rules and suddenly all these reports came out about modern slavery and people being held in caravans etc . Brothels and big organised crime groups were given free access to us .

Your experience is interesting as 75% of people with no qualifications voted leave, and around 74% of those with degrees voted remain. Seems odd that those most used to study and research chose not to bother when it came to this particular issue.

I’m not a reform voter but I’m not sure belittling people who vote that way is the best way to get them on to your “side”. It just creates further division. Surely you want to understand what is causing this shift to reform to understand how to prevent it (if that’s your goal).

If I could thank this 100 times over I would!!! Put so much better than I could ever put it. Best post on here!

The left simply cannot see that calling people who want to vote for Reform 'thick' and racist gammon etc, is achieving nothing. Except pushing people further right.

I also know some left leaning people (under 40,) who, whilst they had good A level results and have a university degree, are not very knowledgeable about a lot of things, and they have very few life skills and coping skills. They are narrow-minded and blinkered, they have very little life experience, they think a woman can have a penis, and they think any white person over 50 is a whopping flag-shagging racist.

Some of these people don't know jack shit about anything. I know some who still live with their folks in their 30s - never left home yet, (and some are bankrolled by mum and dad,) and they think because they have a degree, and are 'left wing' that they are superior to anyone who is NOT left wing, and who never went to university. Plenty of lefties didn't go to university of course, but the ones who did, seem to be the worst offenders for deriding and berating anyone who doesn't think like them ...

And it's not just people who went to University and are in the 30s (or 20s,) some people who are older (40s, 50s, 60s) who went to University and are left wing also have this bizarre idea that they are superior to people who didn't go (and more intelligent.) Whilst a university degree was harder to get pre 21st century, it's still absolute bollocks that people with a degree are smarter and more intelligent than those without.

Where did they get their stats from ? Sounds bizarre neither myself nor anyone I know was asked what are creds are ?
Interestingly however two older relatives voted leave one uni educated etc had good career company director etc the other is wildly successful set up several business of huge value , won many awards in his field, employs loads of people and is super bright ,not a single official qual to his name ?

Research called the British Election Study and You.gov polls.

I have no love lost for ANY of the parties or leaders, but your OP sounds so supercilious, like YOU have picked a better one and are sat there all smug, now demanding to know why other people made a clearly inferior selection (because you don't like that party of their politics and obviously you know best).

Smells a lot like how Labour always do that "you're too stupid to vote for us" tactic to berate people into supporting them. I have no party I actively want to vote for, only parties that I want to vote against. What a shitshow.

Of course it shouldn't even need to be said

Spend a few hours in Clacton and all will become clear.

Lol re Islamophibia. I guess what I don't get is why people care so much if there are loads of children called Mohammed or there's been a double digits increase in the Muslim population. I don't get it! Is that inherently worse than a large number of people who practice Hinduism, Buddhism, Catholicism or whatever? Sincere q.

What do people mean by "lefties" exactly?

It seems that Reform brandish anyone who doesn't toe their ideological line as "the left,"

When actually these people are just moderates who don't feel aligned with any particular party. Mainly, they aren't perpetually raving about 'immigration' as the root of all evil.

Farage's constituency includes Jayswick. No coincidence that he chose the most economically deprived town in the entire U.K, with lowest education rates and all the usual associated problems. The housing quality is dire as many of the homes people live in were only ever built as temporary.

All immigration could stop tomorrow. People like the majority in Jayswick will still have no education. Still have appalling houses. Still be sick or suffer from addiction. Still be exposed to crime (if not involved in it). What is Farage going to do to tackle the longstanding generational problems at the very core of British society that have NOTHING to do with immigration? Who will they blame next?

What has he done to improve housing in Jayswick? What has he done for anybody there? He's only set foot in his constituency twice since being elected ffs!

On becoming MP to Clacton he was required to have a base there. To avoid having to pay stamp duty at the higher rate (as this is a second or third home for him), he got his partner to buy £1m house in her name. He is never there. Meanwhile his constituents are in prefab huts that you can't even get a mortgage on. Man of the people indeed!

I'm not 'left.' What are people on about? I just despise Farage because I see through him. And I have met him. Made my skin crawl.

Yes of course that is related to the age demographic. Ie I was 48 when the vote took place and most people of my age, (probably 90-95%) didn't go to University but did apprenticeships etc instead. I myself didn't do go to uni as it wasn't an option at my bog standard although I later qualified as an accountant (without a degree). The older cohort were more likely to vote for Brexit as we are wiser (and remember how much better things were run before we joined the EU/signed the Maastricht treaty)in 1992. I resent you saying that I a qualified accountant or a plumber/electrician is less likely to research/less intelligent than some 20 year old with a a degree from some bog standard uni who would never have gone to uni in my day

It’s a very very clever strategy and is exactly how Hitler was elected into power.

I find the whole thing utterly terrifying!

I'm not much younger than you and I think it was about 20% who went to uni in the early 90s (and more went to polytechnics).

Of course people who train as plumbers etc are not necessarily any less 'intelligent' than someone who goes to a uni. Not at all. But in trying to make a point, don't fall into your own trap of diminishing those who are at anything less than Oxbridge or other top unis as wasting their time. They are not. Maybe they're the first in their families to go to uni? And the point of going to uni is not to prove 'intelligence.' That is too narrow a way to look at it. Uni enables young people to leave home - live in another part of the country among a more varied demographic of people than they might otherwise have been exposed to if they'd stayed in their home town demographic. University gives you three years to think; encourages you to challenge preconceptions you might have been brought up with. It widens your horizons basically. So no, it's not necessarily a mark of superior intelligence, but nor should you should not decry the overall mindset and experiences fostered by higher education. It does matter in any civilised society.

The majority of what you have written is inaccurate or your projection. How can you justify saying "people will have to pay for healthcare beyond that, especially those with chronic conditions"? This is just speculation.

Immigration is a cynical 'look over here' tactic via which Reform would insidiously erode the rights of the poorest and most vulnerable in society under their very noses.

Why have we decided "poor and vulnerable people" are the immigrants the country needs? What is the plan we are enacting by bringing in "poor and vulnerable people".

Why is it "cynical" for a country to restrict immigration to working visas and expect people to support themselves here? What is exactly is cynical about that? The attitude of saying it's the "very worst sentiments of society" to people that disagree with importing people from poor countries where equality simply doesn't exist and immediately expecting us to pay for them to be "equal" in every aspect is pretty extreme. These are the "benefits" that Reform propose cutting, for non citizens that don't work and require massive state subsidies. Why do you think the world has that "right" here as you put it? Why is it "the worst sentiment of society" to suggest that I can't migrate to another country, unable to support myself and expect to be given a publicly funded life?

How is that a a cynical "look over here" tactic? Millions of people have already looked and can't see any rational explanation, any benefit to society and huge cost. The sanctimonious spending of other people's money to make yourself feel better about the recently arrived or not so recently state supported "poor and vulnerable" is a pretty damaging sentiment.

You can't even be bothered to find out the truth of the Reform policies, you just roll out your own predjuce.

I think you have misunderstood @Lemonraider . My point was that when you give people who already feel dispossessed a common cause to blame for their lot, this is used as a tool of distraction from the complexity of their dispossession.

Hitler could never have risen to power if Germany had not been on its knees (economically) due to having to pay crippling reparations for many years following the First World War. Hitler rise to power because he gave the poorest in German society someone to blame for their lot. 'Make Germany Great Again' was basically the message. Why should the Great German people be on bended knee, perpetually paying out to the US and other European countries, etc etc. And look - over here - the Jews are to blame. Yes, they are taking your jobs and using up all your services. Infiltrating our Christian culture .., etc etc etc. This is how Hitler rose to power. He would never have done so in a society in which people were feeling generally ok. Populists always have to give the public someone to blame. They have to instigate an 'Us and them' mentality to survive. People in poverty, or who can't take advantage of society for whatever reason, will always find it easier to blame someone else, rather than take responsibility for their lot. This is human nature, sadly, and these are the very sentiments that Reform mobilise. But they don't care about dispossessed people. They are just fodder.

Yes, it is terrifying. But the other parties have to start listening to what people want and not just labelling them as thick and ignorant and hoping they will go away. They won't.

When Le Monde asked Ferrari directly whether she bought the property through a family inheritance, she said: “Yes and no, that would be a very large inheritance… There’s more than one way to pay for a house.” She confirmed her grandmother contributed something but said she could not reveal how much, adding: “The main thing is that I paid all the taxes, there was no tax evasion, and the house is in my name.”

The arrangement saved Farage an estimated £44,000 in stamp duty he would have been liable for as a multiple-property owner. He has denied providing any funds toward the purchase.

An unmarried woman buys a house to live in. The press and people that hate Reform voters are appalled that a woman didn't have a man who she isn't married to buy it for her. She shouldn't have her own financial independence obviously, a working woman in her 40s. She's completely without agency, a man "got her to buy it for him" although he's "never there" and has "been there twice".

On becoming MP to Clacton he was required to have a base there.

No, Members of Parliament (MPs) in the UK are not legally required to live in their constituency. There is no residency qualification for candidates, meaning an individual can be elected to represent an area even if they live elsewhere in the country or even abroad.

I think you have misunderstood @Lemonraider . My point was that when you give people who already feel dispossessed a common cause to blame for their lot, this is used as a tool of distraction from the complexity of their dispossession.

I haven't misunderstood you at all. You talk about people being "given" a cause that doesn't exist. You cannot possibly accept that they have their own experience, their own eyes, their own knowledge of what is happening around them. They are just the stupid proles aren't they?

You have absolutely no idea and absolutely no interest. They are people you describe as "the worst sentiments in society". Your intellectual perspective about them is far more real to you than them. You really don't care about them beyond your ability to feel sanctimonious about their stupidity.

And I resent you twisting my words to pretend I've said people without degrees do not do research. When I actually said I find your assertion that a group of people very familiar with study amd research on account of having degrees would suddenly lose these traits and follow the BBC unquestioningly.
I also resent your hypocrisy in suggesting remain voters didn't research, didnt apply intelligence or critical thinking and were led by the nose, then getting on your high horse because you imagine I've insulted the intelligence of older people without degrees.
Which is pure fabrication on your part. And very typical of this Reform voters assumed victimhood that's so very tiresome. Even where no one has insulted your intelligence you pretend they have so you can push the narrative 'the left' sneers at you.
For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not sneering at leave voters. I'm challenging your insulting stereotype of remain voters.

I agree 100% that parties need to start listening. The country is broken.

But - the point is - Farage DOES NOT listen to his constituents or anyone - unless it's moaning about immigration or ''the establishment.'

When has he actually gone to Jayswick and actually listened to people's life stories. Someone might tell him - "Well, I never knew my dad and grew up on benefits, as did generations before me. I never finished school. I had a drug habit at 18 and ended up homeless. Got pregnant and ended up here. Now I have a chronic illness and claiming x,y,z benefits..,," Farage wouid just say - "Well clearly, this is all down to IMMIGRANTS and THE ESTABLISHMENT, my dear. Next..."

Farage derangement syndrome.