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Is this racism?

309 replies

cooooola · Yesterday 13:13

Basically I was at the pub in the pub and nobody was behind the bar.

I was first in line.

An elderly couple come and and then another man who slams his glass down.

When the bar lady asks "who is first"? I replied me.

The elderly couple say "we have been waiting ages".

And the man next says "I didn't see her".

I felt this was due to me being mixed race.
I felt quite intimidated.

I only popped in for a drink whilst OH has the kids.

I feel any shaken up as the only ethnic person in the place.
AIBU

OP posts:
Paganpentacle · Today 12:02

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You can always tell someone has lost the argument when they resort to insults.
Move along now.
(ps.. I don't even know what that is.. seems more up your street)

MissBeans83 · Today 12:18

Paganpentacle · Today 12:02

You can always tell someone has lost the argument when they resort to insults.
Move along now.
(ps.. I don't even know what that is.. seems more up your street)

You need to develop a thicker skin if you thought that was an insult.

MissBeans83 · Today 12:21

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Perhaps in The Daily Mail it has. Then again, I am educated so it tends not to pop up in algorithms for me that frequently.

Dideon · Today 12:42

MissBeans83 · Today 10:39

I am very clear.

It is not for you or I to decide the OP's experience of racism.

You seem uneducated in diversity and inclusion?

You seem like you have been on to many courses.

HowManyHints · Today 13:00

MissBeans83 · Today 11:46

I bored out after your first sentence.

Yes. Don't feel bad about not being able to follow a thoughtful, fairly long post.

Not everybody has this skill and mistake not understanding for being bored. Thousands of children experience this every day up and down the land.

I am sure you are good at lots of other things...repeating soundbites, holding placards, knitting tea cosies and, whatever it is, you must take pride in that.

MissBeans83 · Today 13:05

Dideon · Today 12:42

You seem like you have been on to many courses.

To or too?

Nah, I am in a decent job, whereby training is given to all employees on DEI. Not that we needed it. However, certain demographics could badly do with it.

MissBeans83 · Today 13:08

HowManyHints · Today 13:00

Yes. Don't feel bad about not being able to follow a thoughtful, fairly long post.

Not everybody has this skill and mistake not understanding for being bored. Thousands of children experience this every day up and down the land.

I am sure you are good at lots of other things...repeating soundbites, holding placards, knitting tea cosies and, whatever it is, you must take pride in that.

I wouldn't put your witterings-on and 'thoughtful' together. It badly misaligns.

All I, and others saw was an eye sore of ramblings, so again, I bored out.

HowManyHints · Today 13:14

MissBeans83 · Today 13:08

I wouldn't put your witterings-on and 'thoughtful' together. It badly misaligns.

All I, and others saw was an eye sore of ramblings, so again, I bored out.

Of course!

You deal in sound bites and find it difficult to deal with longer pieces, especially if they offer an opposing view. Lots of people struggle with this.

DEI course providers recognise this and that is why they usually deliver their material in sound bites. If you're used to this-and I think you may be-then it will be difficult to read joined up sentences.

I understand. Please don't worry. It's fine.

One little point: try not to insult those who disagree with you. You look faintly silly when you do this and I'm sure that's not the image that you want to project.

MissBeans83 · Today 13:23

HowManyHints · Today 13:14

Of course!

You deal in sound bites and find it difficult to deal with longer pieces, especially if they offer an opposing view. Lots of people struggle with this.

DEI course providers recognise this and that is why they usually deliver their material in sound bites. If you're used to this-and I think you may be-then it will be difficult to read joined up sentences.

I understand. Please don't worry. It's fine.

One little point: try not to insult those who disagree with you. You look faintly silly when you do this and I'm sure that's not the image that you want to project.

From what I see from your other posts, I would focus on your own life and the badly needed improvement.

Your reply was that of a teenager and wasn't delivered in the way you think it landed.

Go for it though... I can sense your red mist (which was guised as an attempt an insults) so have the last word if it soothes your anger.

TryNotToLaugh · Today 13:23

MissBeans83 · Today 11:41

Except they did decide. Racism and hatred is a crime, therefore they acted accordingly at the time.

What part of that do you struggle with?

Your attempts at defending racism get progressively worse.

You are not understanding my point.

You said:
It is not for you or I to decide the OP's experience of racism.

I said
Therefore
It was not for the police to decide Vickrum Digwa’s experience of racism. They were correct to believe him unquestioningly.

In other words, this would be the case if your mantra holds. Yes, it’s what the police did. And that’s why an innocent young man died in handcuffs, having been dragged around by the police and denied help or dignity.

I disagree with everything you’ve said on this thread but I have to say I am gobsmacked that you are saying the police were correct to believe a murderer accusing his dying victim of racism. Is that really what you believe?

btw no racism and hatred are not crimes. They can both be aggravating factors in crimes but we can still hate without breaking the law, I believe.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Today 13:25

MissBeans83 · Today 09:46

What level of deluded are you?

The OP lives in a world where she constantly has had to defend her ethnicity, in covert and overt forms

Not only have you invalidated her, but you then desperately attempt to portray the undoubted racists as the victim by calling the OP ageist.

Are you that insecure that you twist who victims are in life, as the reality of admitting and validating a person's experience would be too awful for you to deal with.

You are accusing these people of being racist with literally zero evidence of racism. OP being in a huff because the other customers didn’t verbally concede that she was there before them (presuming she actually was and they weren’t just waiting where she couldn’t see them) is not evidence of racism.

You do understand that proves PPs point about the undermining of ‘racist’ as an accusation to the point where people stop caring about being called racist?

catpupjoy · Today 13:26

I feel astounded by the responses here - everything the op described sounds exactly like racism to me (and we can call it micro but it feels pretty bloody big to the victims) Don’t any of you have any compassion? Humanity? Any sense of justice?
My two daughters are not white and they face racism every single day - I’ve been with them countless times when i see people rolling their eyes at my gorgeous girls. They get ignored in shops, looked over in queues. They get shouted at. It is vile. And every one of your sarky comments is part of the racism my girls live with every single day.

Grow up, and learn to be nice

TryNotToLaugh · Today 13:26

MissBeans83 · Today 11:45

Can you see that no matter what language we try to enlighten her in, she still doesn't get it?

I fear we have lost TryNotToLaugh

Me and the majority of white people in the UK. Not wanting to become a minority in our country. So extreme!

TryNotToLaugh · Today 13:28

MissBeans83 · Today 11:45

Because it is racist.

So your define white people doing something which is acceptable if non-white people do it as racism? Interesting and revealing.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Today 13:28

Palomiino · Today 09:18

Exactly and these men were all from one specific area of Pakistan. Imagine using that to tar all people of colour with one brush and deny their daily reality of racist experiences?.

what happened to Henry Novak was absolutely awful - two things can be true.

Nobody is tarring all people of colour with the same brush.

Pointing out the systemic failings where many people have been harmed or even murdered because those in authority are worried about being seen as racist so treat them differently is a perfectly valid view backed by evidence.

TryNotToLaugh · Today 13:32

MissBeans83 · Today 11:59

Ah so you are unbothered about being a racist?

I would say people love being around you, with the exception probably of your equally EQ challenged family perhaps.

Is this comprehension failure or deliberate misinterpretation?

Do you understand the difference between not being bothered about being called racist and not being bothered about being racist?

It may be too subtle a distinction for you, but most people will understand it.

Bluefairywand · Today 13:32

Very unlikely to be race - this happens to me all the time and I’m white British. It’s just that some people - of all races - are very rude and try it on whenever they can. Some elderly people also feel entitled to push ahead of queues due to their age. I had this at the airport - old white British couple pushed in front of me and my toddler (they moved her
bag out of their way and pushed ahead! It was ridiculous!) and when I remonstrated with them they pretended I was actually trying to unfairly go ahead of them ‘because I had small children’. There are low lives everywhere, unfortunately OP.

MissBeans83 · Today 13:37

catpupjoy · Today 13:26

I feel astounded by the responses here - everything the op described sounds exactly like racism to me (and we can call it micro but it feels pretty bloody big to the victims) Don’t any of you have any compassion? Humanity? Any sense of justice?
My two daughters are not white and they face racism every single day - I’ve been with them countless times when i see people rolling their eyes at my gorgeous girls. They get ignored in shops, looked over in queues. They get shouted at. It is vile. And every one of your sarky comments is part of the racism my girls live with every single day.

Grow up, and learn to be nice

Why are you surprised? The racists on here outdo themselves by actually defending it.

Made even more amusing by paragraph after paragraph of ramblings of "what about us white folk becoming a minority".

HowManyHints · Today 13:48

MissBeans83 · Today 13:23

From what I see from your other posts, I would focus on your own life and the badly needed improvement.

Your reply was that of a teenager and wasn't delivered in the way you think it landed.

Go for it though... I can sense your red mist (which was guised as an attempt an insults) so have the last word if it soothes your anger.

Self denial won't help you.

Be calm, take a deep breath, try to read and understand and then, if you have a counter argument, offer it up.

I can hear that you are frustrated in not being able to get your point across and of course, this is understandable. Don't blame yourself-even the most articulate people would struggle to defend your stance.

When a DEI sound bite pops into your head ,before you type it out, do the following:

  1. Ask yourself does this soundbite make sense? Will it refute some of the points put forward by those with whom I disagree?

  2. If the answer is, "No", then let it go.

  3. If the answer is yes, ask yourself can you expand it into a coherent argument that might make people re-think.

  4. If so, write it out calmly and without insulting other posters, stalking other posters or making silly "Gotcha!" points.

  5. Wait for replies and, if you have time or can be bothered, reply calmly.

I hope this helps you. I fear it will only lead to a flabby arsed reply from you. Sadly, I won't see it as I must return to work so feel free to go ahead with that and bask in the warm glow that you will have had the last word.

TryNotToLaugh · Today 14:03

MissBeans83 · Today 13:37

Why are you surprised? The racists on here outdo themselves by actually defending it.

Made even more amusing by paragraph after paragraph of ramblings of "what about us white folk becoming a minority".

Ok, I’m beginning to think it really is a genuine comprehension failure.

It wasn’t a very complicated or long discussion to follow why the issue of white people becoming a minority came up. Try reading back through the posts if you’re struggling to follow the train of argument.

Paganpentacle · Today 14:12

MissBeans83 · Today 12:21

Perhaps in The Daily Mail it has. Then again, I am educated so it tends not to pop up in algorithms for me that frequently.

No idea.
Don't read the Daily Mail.
Next.

Paganpentacle · Today 14:19

MissBeans83 · Today 12:18

You need to develop a thicker skin if you thought that was an insult.

Crack on if it makes you feel better.
Stamp your feet even 😂

Dideon · Today 15:02

MissBeans83 · Today 13:05

To or too?

Nah, I am in a decent job, whereby training is given to all employees on DEI. Not that we needed it. However, certain demographics could badly do with it.

Oh goodness your quite something. Does the 83 relate to your birth year. If so are you really 43 ?

TheGreatDownandOut · Today 15:05

Is anyone debating the actual topic any more or have most of you just resigned to trading insults with one another?

Christ, you all have more in common with each other than you have differences. There are human beings behind these screens!

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Today 16:42

MissBeans83 · Today 13:05

To or too?

Nah, I am in a decent job, whereby training is given to all employees on DEI. Not that we needed it. However, certain demographics could badly do with it.

It’s interesting that you have done all this DEI training and hold your particular set of ‘interesting’ views on racism.

I think that’s a perfect demonstration of where DEI has gone badly wrong and why we are in such a bad situation now.