Is this racism?

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Basically I was at the pub in the pub and nobody was behind the bar.

I was first in line.

An elderly couple come and and then another man who slams his glass down.

When the bar lady asks "who is first"? I replied me.

The elderly couple say "we have been waiting ages".

And the man next says "I didn't see her".

I felt this was due to me being mixed race.
I felt quite intimidated.

I only popped in for a drink whilst OH has the kids.

I feel any shaken up as the only ethnic person in the place.
AIBU

That’s a stupid response. You think you can win an argument with this, seriously?

Perhaps give Wetherspoon’s a miss in future if you don’t like white working class people?

Wish I hadn’t posted now. So obviously a wind up, story changing every post thread.

White supremacy is default?! FFS, go tell that to the grooming gang victims.
Jesus christ.

Because a colloquialism literally means a spoken form of words.

But yes, I see what you’re getting at. I’ve never heard anyone say this, it makes my skin crawl for some reason!

It might be racism. It might be sexism. It might be “she’s not a regular”ism. It might be rudeness. It might be a combination. I’m afraid that as we weren’t there we’re unlikely to be able to tell.

Technically the other people are of their own ethnicity; English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Polish, German ecetera. Why didn’t you say you were there first?

Or, they may have meant, We've been waiting ages as in all of you. Does it really matter.

OP claims she was there first.

I thought OP was part white working class herself but I could be making that up.

I hear you op.

I’m a middle aged woman. I was in a B&Q the other day waiting in line for someone to be served… the young Asian guy finished serving that customer and I was right behind them.

Meanwhile an elderly Greek Cypriot gentleman marched in and tried to push in calling across to the young man who was about to serve me, and brandishing a screw at him, (I guess he wanted another one).

The young man looked quite taken aback as he was clearly about to serve me, but seemed conflicted by Mr. Jump The Line… So I very politely said, excuse me I’m next in the queue over here…The man looked completely outraged and starred swearing at me in Greek. The young guy and me exchanged a shrug and a smile and he served me.
The older guy marched off cursing.

Now, I don’t feel any of this was racist (I’m white) but I do feel the Greek gentleman was being sexist and I doubt very much he would have pulled this shit with a big muscly bloke in my place.

I merely mentioned our ethnicities and ages to paint the picture and because of the op.

So, yes sometimes people can be arseholes… they can also be racist, sexist, ableist etc….

JFC, can we stop with the right wing = racist bollocks? The Tory party have had two leaders of colour ( and four women leaders), whereas Labour has only had white men lead the party.

I know if you vote left you think that makes you non racist but there’s a fuck tonne of racist attitudes on the left.

He also said "I was here first".

It seems such a childish thing to do given their age. I'm in my 30s and would never behave like this.

There is no suggestion that the bartender herself was racist. She served me.

It was the fact that the older couple were lying and got so aggressive about it and then some random blole backing them up when he didn't even know them.

Reading other people's views it could be because I am a woman as well.

The fact that Pakistani males raped and exploited white girls doesn't change the power balance in our society. No more than if a group of women murdered men it would mean it was no longer a man's world.
The power imbalance at the root of the grooming gangs was sex based. More powrerful males harming less powerful females. Not Pakistani people suddenly becoming more powerful than white people at a societal level.

The fact that Pakistani males raped and exploited white girls doesn't change the power balance in our society.

Interesting that you’ve put that in the past tense when it’s still happening all around the country.

And that you ignore the cover up which went on for decades.

If white people are so powerful in the UK how come we have consistently for decades said we don’t want mass immigration but have had it nevertheless, for decades, to the extent we will soon be a minority? That doesn’t seem to indicate huge levels of power to me.

No

I mean this with kindness, my husband who’s of Asian descent but born here in the UK has recently started displaying paranoid behaviour when it comes to racism. He sees racist behaviour in the most innocent interactions that can be easily explained as not caused by racism or xenophobia. I feel sorry for him and I understand the cause of it but as someone who is with him most of the time I must admit he overreacts.

So you’re you going to tar all Brits with the same negative brush on the basis of a slightly negative interaction in the pub?

It sounds like you’re being a bit racist to me.

Have you noticed the ‘power balance’ which means the government and police are reluctant to act to stop these particular rape gangs and are far more bothered about the welfare of ‘the community’ than say, a rape gang victim who is being hounded, threatened and persecuted by them? She doesnt even get witness protection. She gets a letter to the council asking then to find her and her kids her umpteenth home and use of a van to move her stuff.

Please read Fiona Goddard’s account below in tell me they would do the same if that was a Muslim woman being systematically hounded and terrified by white rape gang members over years.

June 27th 2026 - Fiona Goddard posted on X:
". . . with my abusers now being assessed for early release from prison, and Bradford being announced as one of the key locations in the grooming gang inquiry, the abuse, threats and danger have escalated at an alarming rate.
My family and I have already had to endure years of incidents, upheaval and loss as a consequence of getting my abusers convicted and fighting for accountability and the truth about what happened in the grooming gang scandal.
Just last year, there was an arson attempt on our home. After moving to another city, we suffered a break-in where I woke up to the sound of my kettle boiling and found my back door wide open, with concerns that the boiling water was intended to be poured over me.
We have also experienced multiple attempted break-ins. During one incident, I had to hide my children in a cupboard while I physically held a man back from entering our home until armed police arrived. That man was later found to have phone calls to family members of my abusers on his phone.
One of the men who had already been released from prison was, just last week, convicted for his part in a machete attack in which a young lad had his leg chopped off. Police had already informed me that my abusers had links to unsolved murders and gun crime.
They have also attempted to recruit girls to go to the housing office pretending to be me in an effort to gain access to my address.
I have faced constant death threats and abuse, much of it so vile that I cannot even repeat it here.
My family and I have had to move seven times in the last 14 years. Three of those times, we had to live for months in run-down, rat-infested homeless shelters. The other four times, my children lost everything they owned and we had to start again from scratch. This has caused enormous additional trauma for my children, and now even they live in a constant state of anxiety.
I have six children at home, and I now find myself sleeping on the sofa every night, staying on guard to make sure no one comes to harm them. We cannot carry on living like this. Our mental health has suffered massively, and we have taken every possible step to try and get these issues addressed.
There have been multiple reports made to the police by both myself and dozens of others. Despite this, nothing has been done beyond providing me with a security camera to place outside and a metal plate to stop petrol from being poured through our letterbox.
We have now come to the heartbreaking realisation that we have to move if we are ever going to have a chance of living a safe and peaceful life, where my children can grow up happy and carefree, as they deserve, instead of living in constant fear. I want this move to be different. I don't want it to become another traumatic chapter in our lives. I want it to be the start of something positive."
Please don't just read that extract - see full post here:
https://x.com/fionagoddarduk/status/2070932905170227318

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5430445-5430445-fiona-goddard-a-victim-of-the-grooming-gang-has-resigned-from-enquiry-panel?page=12

Clearly, the reason we have had immigration for decades is because white people with more power than those who opposed it have allowed it.
Just because you are a white person who isn't getting what you want in relation to immigration and so feels personally powerless, doesn't mean white people as a demographic are powerless.
It's still white people steering the ship, leading the country and deciding who lives here. They're just making decisions you disagree with.

The police ignored it, the NHS ignored it, councils ignored it, teachers ignored it, social services ignored it....yeah, white girls have so much power.

Said no black person ever...

They were white POOR girls, you think this would have happened if they were middle classed girls from good homes? Really?

Compare and contrast with Starmer’s reaction to a car fire outside a mosque that may or may not have been deliberate:

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has pledged an additional £10m in security funding to protect Muslim communities from hate crimes and attacks.
It follows his visit to a Peacehaven mosque that was targeted in a suspected arson attack earlier this month.

No one was injured in the fire which damaged the front entrance of the Peacehaven mosque and a car on 4 October, while Sussex Police said officers were treating the incident as a hate crime.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge5n1qv3lyo?app-referrer=deep-link

A personal visit and £10 million of funding for security, despite it being churches that have suffered 200 arson attacks and 9000 crimes in the last three years.

For the majority of the thousands of victims of Pakistani rape gangs in some cases enabled by state employees, nothing. Some still even have their criminal record for being raped.