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AIBU?

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Update: I told my family about my relationship with my sister's ex

367 replies

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 13:48

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

I honestly didn't expect my last thread to get as much attention as it did. I deleted the account but then thought to update. I read most of the responses, even the ones telling me I was an awful sister and those saying they'd never speak to me again if I were their sibling. Equally, I read the replies from people who thought life isn't always black and white and that happiness is complicated.
A lot of people said I needed to stop worrying about hypothetical reactions and actually tell my family. Quite a few also said that if I genuinely saw a future with him then keeping him hidden indefinitely wasn't fair on anyone, including him.
Well, I've done it.

I spoke to my sister, I went to her house and we had a proper conversation. I was absolutely terrified. I barely slept the night before because I had convinced myself this would be the end of our relationship as sisters.

I told her everything. I didn't try to minimise it or soften it. I was honest about the timeline because I knew it would be far worse if she later found out we'd actually been together for over a year after I'd implied it was something much more recent.

She was upset. Really upset and there were some long silences where neither of us knew what to say.The first thing she asked was whether there had been any overlap. I told her absolutely not. Their marriage had been over for 7 years before anything happened between us.She then asked whether I'd secretly had feelings for him while they were married or whether anything had ever happened before. Again, the answer was no. I did not even see him after the divorce when we met again last year by chance at the same event I genuinely thought we'd have a catch-up and that would be that.

She asked why we'd kept it secret for so long. The honest answer is that after we slept together we both assumed it had been a mistake that would go nowhere. After he messages me to see if I'd gotten home safe, we talked and we both agreed we had fun the night before. Then feelings developed, and every month that passed made it feel like a bigger and bigger conversation to have. She said she wished I'd told her sooner.I couldn't really argue with that because she's right.Then she asked me if I was actually happy with him I told her yes.

She was quiet for a while before saying they probably should never have got married because they simply weren't compatible. Looking back, she thinks they stayed together longer than they should have trying to make something work that never really did.She said she wants me to be happy. She isn't happy about the situation, and she's understandably hurt, but she wants me to be happy. She also said she just needs time to get used to it.
After that I spoke to my parents because I wanted them to hear it from me.
A lot of people on my last thread were convinced they'd disown me.
That honestly never crossed my mind. They're my parents. Why would they disown me? They might be disappointed by choices I've made but disappointment isn't the same as cutting your child out of your life forever. I found it quite odd how many people assumed that would be the automatic outcome.Both were shocked. But they also both said they want me to be happy. They know this isn't an ideal situation and they know people will have opinions, but they also know we're two adults who have found ourselves in a relationship.
I'm still invited to Christmas. Before anyone asks, no, I won't be taking him. I think that would be completely inappropriate this year and far too much to expect of everyone else. Maybe in a couple of years things will look different, maybe they won't, but I'm certainly not trying to force everyone into one happy blended family overnight.

One thing I do want to address is the comments about children because there seemed to be a lot of assumptions.

I'm 36. We've only been together just over a year and we're nowhere near the stage of trying for children. If our relationship progresses to marriage and we eventually decide we want to build a family together, I'll probably be around 40. I've already accepted that I may never have biological children and, genuinely, I'm okay with that. Knowing myself, I don't think I'd want to start trying at that point.

People also seemed to think I was being very blasé about adoption. I'm not. I've fostered children and, through that, I've had advice about the adoption process. I know it's lengthy, thorough and far from guaranteed. I only mentioned it because it's something I've always been open to if I wasn't able to have biological children. I'm not assuming it would simply happen.I appreciate people can only comment on what I write, but I can't possibly include every detail of my life, every conversation and every thought process in one Mumsnet post.

Nothing has magically been fixed. My sister isn't suddenly thrilled about this, and I don't expect her to be. There will probably be awkward moments for a long time yet.

I'm also not trying to convince anyone that ours is some once-in-a-lifetime, sacred love story that excuses everything else.What I am saying is much simpler than that.I love him.I'm happy.He makes me very happy.For the first time in my life I can genuinely see a future with someone.

Life is too fucking short to walk away from someone you love simply because other people think you should. I know plenty of people will disagree with that, and that's their right. Equally, I know some people will never think what we've done is acceptable.

I'm not looking for universal approval because I know I'm never going to get it.
I just wanted to update those who told me to stop hiding and have the difficult conversations.I did.Now we'll see where life takes us.

AIBU to pursue a future with my sister's ex-husband? | Mumsnet

I have gone back and forth about posting this because I know people will have strong opinions, but I genuinely don't know whether I've completely lost...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

OP posts:
12234m · Yesterday 16:29

katepilar · Yesterday 15:36

You are not reading very well. Last thread stopped at the point OP and her sister just texted and had a conversation on the phone. Her sister sounded ok having just received the information. This thread is at the stage where they had long conversation in person.

My reading is fine. I knew the other thread was a text and a quick call. Doesn't change the fact that on this rather conveniently started new thread she's now saying something else. On thread one it very much read like she told her sister to shut everyone up and it was convenient that the sister was all cool with it.

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:29

BetterWithPockets · Yesterday 16:26

I’m glad it’s out in the open, OP, and that you’ve not been disowned! I didn’t post on your first thread but am definitely in the ‘life is complicated and things don’t always work out how you think’ camp — which is to say that we all do things we subsequently regret or wish we’d handled differently— but equally life is short and if you’re happy, and your sister can find a way to be okay with it, then I really hope things work out for you.

I agree. A couple of people are being super weird about this, which I think says far more about them than it does about the OP. The one who goes on and on about how the ex 'chose' the sister over the OP, (despite the fact that the OP is almost a decade younger!) is especially ludicrous.

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:30

user233675892 · Yesterday 16:28

Or they were and then they weren't. Happens every day.

Exactly. It sounds to me as if they weren't all that compatible. People who get married in their twenties often aren't.

Mrspatmoresapprentice · Yesterday 16:30

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:25

Oh give over with the maybe he didn’t love her nonsense trying to downplay their marriage,

Does it matter? Really? A lot of people, me included, are married to people who have been married before. Did my now DH love his ex when he married her? Absolutely. I’d be more concerned if he’d married her and not loved her. Does he love her now? No, he has zero feelings for her, one way or the other. People change.

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 16:31

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 16:25

@OtterlyAstounding I would find it gross to have a man's penis in me after it had been in my sister's vagina.

@Plumzingy1 can you confirm if your boyfriend has washed his dick in the past 7 years, or has he not? I think it might be important 🤷‍♀️.

…..and definitely I wouldn't want to be able to swap notes (if so desired) with my sister on his various techniques, likes, or physical attributes. Urgh.

I can genuinely say I’ve never ‘swapped notes’ about anyone, ever. People are different according to who they are with.

No I can’t confirm I haven’t actually asked him it’s never come up. I’ll ask if next time as my parents are coming for dinner with us. That’ll be good way to break the ice.

OP posts:
OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 16:31

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 16:25

@OtterlyAstounding I would find it gross to have a man's penis in me after it had been in my sister's vagina.

@Plumzingy1 can you confirm if your boyfriend has washed his dick in the past 7 years, or has he not? I think it might be important 🤷‍♀️.

…..and definitely I wouldn't want to be able to swap notes (if so desired) with my sister on his various techniques, likes, or physical attributes. Urgh.

I can genuinely say I’ve never ‘swapped notes’ about anyone, ever. People are different according to who they are with.

Obviously it's not about physical cleanliness, but about the psychological weirdness. Equally, as I said, it's not about actually swapping notes, but about the fact that we could. I have no desire to have 'carnal knowledge', as they say, of a man who has done the same with my sister.

I would wager that a sizeable proportion of people would also find it weird, and not at all appealing, to have sex with someone their sibling has shagged repeatedly. It's a little bizarre that people are trying to cast my opinion as the odd one, and would apparently be dead keen to shag their ex BIL.

Anyway, that was just me saying why I thought it was 'icky', in response to another commenter 🤷

Yorkshirewithlove · Yesterday 16:31

I reckon you should go for it. The guy and your sister has split ages ago. You are entitled to be happy and one have one life. Not sure your sister will want to be bridesmaid/things maybe a tad awkward at times. Time is a healer and all that...

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:31

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:27

Why are you so certain that they were madly in love? Have you really never heard of people getting married when they weren't in love? You must be very naive if so.

Why are yoh so certain they weren’t, the op has indicated no such thing.

Empress13 · Yesterday 16:32

I have just read your first thread. Has anyone thought about how your sister’s DH feels about this? Not once has he been mentioned. I find it all a bit fucked up tbh but if you truly feel he is the love of your life then you must follow your heart. Honestly I can’t see how you can all get together at Xmas , birthdays etc and play happy families. What will your DSis tell her kids? I’m sure they will find out as they get older that auntie is now
married to mum’s first husband. It’s a lot but I wish you happiness and hope it works out for you.

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:32

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 16:31

Obviously it's not about physical cleanliness, but about the psychological weirdness. Equally, as I said, it's not about actually swapping notes, but about the fact that we could. I have no desire to have 'carnal knowledge', as they say, of a man who has done the same with my sister.

I would wager that a sizeable proportion of people would also find it weird, and not at all appealing, to have sex with someone their sibling has shagged repeatedly. It's a little bizarre that people are trying to cast my opinion as the odd one, and would apparently be dead keen to shag their ex BIL.

Anyway, that was just me saying why I thought it was 'icky', in response to another commenter 🤷

Absoltely. And the op shagged him immediately on meeting him again. That night.

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 16:32

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 16:31

No I can’t confirm I haven’t actually asked him it’s never come up. I’ll ask if next time as my parents are coming for dinner with us. That’ll be good way to break the ice.

🤣.

Find out if it was with shower gel or soap.

Might make a difference? 😂

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:33

Op how did the marriage end, who ended it. Someone always makes rhay decision. Could he be thinking this will hurt your sister, it would most, and be a way to get into her orbit again?

Daisymail · Yesterday 16:34

Devilsmommy · Yesterday 13:54

I read your first thread but didn't comment. I'm glad it's worked out for you ☺️

Me too.

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 16:35

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:32

Absoltely. And the op shagged him immediately on meeting him again. That night.

Hm. It almost seems rather unbelievable. Except it seems some commenters think it's normal, so who knows!

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:35

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:31

Why are yoh so certain they weren’t, the op has indicated no such thing.

I'm not. I don't know either way. I'm just saying that even if they were in love then, it doesn't mean that he 'chose' the sister over the OP. I'm also saying that it is possible to get married to the wrong person, or even think that this is as good as it gets, and then meet someone who you are better suited to. You hear about it all the time as well when gay people have a heterosexual marriage. I don't mean a lavender marriage, I mean when they have managed to convince themselves that they are 'normal'.

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 16:35

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:33

Op how did the marriage end, who ended it. Someone always makes rhay decision. Could he be thinking this will hurt your sister, it would most, and be a way to get into her orbit again?

He ended the marriage I don’t think he’s trying to hurt my sister but I do not know his every thought. I barely knew him when they were married, they weren’t married for long and I was always travelling at that point.

OP posts:
BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:36

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:33

Op how did the marriage end, who ended it. Someone always makes rhay decision. Could he be thinking this will hurt your sister, it would most, and be a way to get into her orbit again?

You are OBSESSED with the idea that he is still in love with the sister! Are you her?!

Bridesmaidorexfriend · Yesterday 16:36

Hey, my brother started see our other brothers ex within a year of them breaking up, they had a baby together too. First brother wasn’t impressed but in the end he got over it. Everyone just made fun of second brother, calling him uncle dad, they ended up having a baby together too. It was all very Jeremy Kyle, but honestly people got over it and no one cares now. It’ll be fine, my brothers are still close.

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 16:36

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 16:31

Obviously it's not about physical cleanliness, but about the psychological weirdness. Equally, as I said, it's not about actually swapping notes, but about the fact that we could. I have no desire to have 'carnal knowledge', as they say, of a man who has done the same with my sister.

I would wager that a sizeable proportion of people would also find it weird, and not at all appealing, to have sex with someone their sibling has shagged repeatedly. It's a little bizarre that people are trying to cast my opinion as the odd one, and would apparently be dead keen to shag their ex BIL.

Anyway, that was just me saying why I thought it was 'icky', in response to another commenter 🤷

Anyway, that was just me saying why I thought it was 'icky', in response to another commenter 🤷

Yes, that was me. You were replying to me 😆.

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:39

Empress13 · Yesterday 16:32

I have just read your first thread. Has anyone thought about how your sister’s DH feels about this? Not once has he been mentioned. I find it all a bit fucked up tbh but if you truly feel he is the love of your life then you must follow your heart. Honestly I can’t see how you can all get together at Xmas , birthdays etc and play happy families. What will your DSis tell her kids? I’m sure they will find out as they get older that auntie is now
married to mum’s first husband. It’s a lot but I wish you happiness and hope it works out for you.

He's likely to feel worse if the sister makes a huge deal of it!!

MabelAnderson · Yesterday 16:39

Once the dust settles everyone will adjust.
Also don’t assume you are too old for children, I and all of my friends who tried in our early 40s got pregnant pretty quickly.

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 16:39

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 16:36

Anyway, that was just me saying why I thought it was 'icky', in response to another commenter 🤷

Yes, that was me. You were replying to me 😆.

Ah! I don't pay much attention to usernames. Well, there we go then. That's why!

EightSteps · Yesterday 16:39

This place is utterly batshit sometimes.

Yes, it's unconventional, not ideal. Messy. OP could have told her sister before now.

But some of these replies are unhinged.

I hope it all works out for you, OP, both as a couple and in your wider family.

You're right, life is too damn short. Some people never find someone who makes them feel the way your partner makes you feel.

Be mindful, tactful and take it slow. And be happy.

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:42

EightSteps · Yesterday 16:39

This place is utterly batshit sometimes.

Yes, it's unconventional, not ideal. Messy. OP could have told her sister before now.

But some of these replies are unhinged.

I hope it all works out for you, OP, both as a couple and in your wider family.

You're right, life is too damn short. Some people never find someone who makes them feel the way your partner makes you feel.

Be mindful, tactful and take it slow. And be happy.

They are unhinged, especially the 'EW his PENIS was in your sister's VAGINA!!' ones. I mean, yeah. That is generally how sex works. Nobody over the age of about twelve thinks that much about the mechanics of it. Just bloody weird.

BotterMon · Yesterday 16:44

I'm happy for you. Tough thing to do. Wishing you both all the best for the future.