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AIBU?

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Update: I told my family about my relationship with my sister's ex

367 replies

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 13:48

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

I honestly didn't expect my last thread to get as much attention as it did. I deleted the account but then thought to update. I read most of the responses, even the ones telling me I was an awful sister and those saying they'd never speak to me again if I were their sibling. Equally, I read the replies from people who thought life isn't always black and white and that happiness is complicated.
A lot of people said I needed to stop worrying about hypothetical reactions and actually tell my family. Quite a few also said that if I genuinely saw a future with him then keeping him hidden indefinitely wasn't fair on anyone, including him.
Well, I've done it.

I spoke to my sister, I went to her house and we had a proper conversation. I was absolutely terrified. I barely slept the night before because I had convinced myself this would be the end of our relationship as sisters.

I told her everything. I didn't try to minimise it or soften it. I was honest about the timeline because I knew it would be far worse if she later found out we'd actually been together for over a year after I'd implied it was something much more recent.

She was upset. Really upset and there were some long silences where neither of us knew what to say.The first thing she asked was whether there had been any overlap. I told her absolutely not. Their marriage had been over for 7 years before anything happened between us.She then asked whether I'd secretly had feelings for him while they were married or whether anything had ever happened before. Again, the answer was no. I did not even see him after the divorce when we met again last year by chance at the same event I genuinely thought we'd have a catch-up and that would be that.

She asked why we'd kept it secret for so long. The honest answer is that after we slept together we both assumed it had been a mistake that would go nowhere. After he messages me to see if I'd gotten home safe, we talked and we both agreed we had fun the night before. Then feelings developed, and every month that passed made it feel like a bigger and bigger conversation to have. She said she wished I'd told her sooner.I couldn't really argue with that because she's right.Then she asked me if I was actually happy with him I told her yes.

She was quiet for a while before saying they probably should never have got married because they simply weren't compatible. Looking back, she thinks they stayed together longer than they should have trying to make something work that never really did.She said she wants me to be happy. She isn't happy about the situation, and she's understandably hurt, but she wants me to be happy. She also said she just needs time to get used to it.
After that I spoke to my parents because I wanted them to hear it from me.
A lot of people on my last thread were convinced they'd disown me.
That honestly never crossed my mind. They're my parents. Why would they disown me? They might be disappointed by choices I've made but disappointment isn't the same as cutting your child out of your life forever. I found it quite odd how many people assumed that would be the automatic outcome.Both were shocked. But they also both said they want me to be happy. They know this isn't an ideal situation and they know people will have opinions, but they also know we're two adults who have found ourselves in a relationship.
I'm still invited to Christmas. Before anyone asks, no, I won't be taking him. I think that would be completely inappropriate this year and far too much to expect of everyone else. Maybe in a couple of years things will look different, maybe they won't, but I'm certainly not trying to force everyone into one happy blended family overnight.

One thing I do want to address is the comments about children because there seemed to be a lot of assumptions.

I'm 36. We've only been together just over a year and we're nowhere near the stage of trying for children. If our relationship progresses to marriage and we eventually decide we want to build a family together, I'll probably be around 40. I've already accepted that I may never have biological children and, genuinely, I'm okay with that. Knowing myself, I don't think I'd want to start trying at that point.

People also seemed to think I was being very blasé about adoption. I'm not. I've fostered children and, through that, I've had advice about the adoption process. I know it's lengthy, thorough and far from guaranteed. I only mentioned it because it's something I've always been open to if I wasn't able to have biological children. I'm not assuming it would simply happen.I appreciate people can only comment on what I write, but I can't possibly include every detail of my life, every conversation and every thought process in one Mumsnet post.

Nothing has magically been fixed. My sister isn't suddenly thrilled about this, and I don't expect her to be. There will probably be awkward moments for a long time yet.

I'm also not trying to convince anyone that ours is some once-in-a-lifetime, sacred love story that excuses everything else.What I am saying is much simpler than that.I love him.I'm happy.He makes me very happy.For the first time in my life I can genuinely see a future with someone.

Life is too fucking short to walk away from someone you love simply because other people think you should. I know plenty of people will disagree with that, and that's their right. Equally, I know some people will never think what we've done is acceptable.

I'm not looking for universal approval because I know I'm never going to get it.
I just wanted to update those who told me to stop hiding and have the difficult conversations.I did.Now we'll see where life takes us.

AIBU to pursue a future with my sister's ex-husband? | Mumsnet

I have gone back and forth about posting this because I know people will have strong opinions, but I genuinely don't know whether I've completely lost...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

OP posts:
Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:14

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 16:10

I haven't commented until now, but I mostly think it's 'icky' because OP is shagging a man who has shagged her sister, many times. I would find it gross to have a man's penis in me after it had been in my sister's vagina. Psychologically, that would feel almost incestuous to me. I just wouldn't want to be intimate with someone who had been so intimate with my sister, and definitely I wouldn't want to be able to swap notes (if so desired) with my sister on his various techniques, likes, or physical attributes. Urgh.

I wonder if people's opinions would differ if it were OP's ex-stepfather, who was significantly younger than her mother, and had only married her mother once OP was an adult (to take any implications of being a 'father figure' out of it). It just seems very weird to be with someone that one of your family members was married to.

The strained family dynamics is a whole other can of worms, but perhaps it'll work out happily. It's still icky though. But I'm not the one who has to shag him, so as you say - it doesn't affect me, thank god.

Me too, I’m shocked some people are arguing thay if they divorced their husband they’d be all good with him fucking their sister and all playing happy families again.

i mean most don’t even want to spend time with the ex wife. Never mind play happy families.

just goes to show, but no I couldn’t.

SinceYoureGayAndAddictedToHeroin · Yesterday 16:14

Life is too fucking short to walk away from someone you love simply because other people think you should.

I think this is just something people say in an attempt to excuse the fact they have no impulse control and dress it up as something noble.

You don't have to get together with every reasonably attractive person that looks at you. You can just choose not to get involved. For example my DH asked me out and I said yes because I liked him and thought I'd see where it went. If either of us had been the other one's sibling's ex spouse, we just would never have asked/said yes. It's easy.

Hallywally · Yesterday 16:15

Nothing wrong with it as such but I’d find it a bit grim knowing he’d had sex with my sister. Think that alone would give me the ick.

Lacksplease · Yesterday 16:15

I'm really glad you've told everyone and that your sister and parents seem to be taking what youve said on board and processing slowly and not over reacting. All the very best in the future. Life and love are short and often lonely. It's not black and white.

Victorius19 · Yesterday 16:16

I think it was a good reaction really. No one said anything unexpected, and like they said, I think you now have to give the time to get their heads around it and answer any questions you have.

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:16

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 16:14

Why are you so obsessed with the sex side of things ? Jheez relax

Don’t think the poster is obsessed, but they are point out shagging a man who has had sex many times with your own sister,loved her so much he married her, is utterly ick for many,

Lecamping · Yesterday 16:17

Good on your sister & your parents. Given that she was active in deciding her relationship with him was not sustainable & she’s happily with someone else, and it’s been a significant chunk of time - you aren’t doing anything wrong.
it is however just a kind of boundary that still feels a bit uncomfortable & no doubt will have her second guessing yours & his motives /feelings when they were originally together. It will also no doubt throw up lots of stuff to do with that relationship for her & I don’t really know how you could ever socialise together because it would feel so bizarre. Esp for your parents - if your sister married this guy & everything. It may make it difficult for you to ever go through any major milestones with him with extended family? Did your sister & him remain amicable or even in touch? Did he do or behave in any way that your family would consider a concern? Did he want to remain in the relationship with your DS or was it mutual? But life is complex & messy & if they can see you’re both happy hopefully all will be well.

Mrspatmoresapprentice · Yesterday 16:17

It’s not ideal, I can see that. But I can also see why you didn’t tell her sooner. Who knew how it would work out, it could have been a flash in the pan, so no need to tell anyone and cause unnecessary upset.
You've done the right thing telling them now and don’t listen to the “consolation prize” nonsense. People change, they move on, they grow up.
And no, he’s obviously not a virgin, but how many of us are? However it works out, I wish you well xx

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 16:18

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 16:14

Why are you so obsessed with the sex side of things ? Jheez relax

Because that's the part I find most off-putting?

The rest of it is odd and seems dreadfully awkward, but maybe potentially navigable...the sex though - I just can't see myself getting past the weirdness of it. Although, obviously it's not a concern for you, and fair enough if you're not bothered.

BlueMum16 · Yesterday 16:19

I'm so glad this has gone on for you.
I know you got a hard time for texting here and telling g your sister initially rather than in person. This was probably for the best as she had time to prepare her thoughts before seeing you.

I bet her DP will find it strange that her ex is now back round.

It might be that you never had big family things in future but now everyone knows you can see if your new relationship will actually go anywhere.

Good luck.

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:19

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:16

Don’t think the poster is obsessed, but they are point out shagging a man who has had sex many times with your own sister,loved her so much he married her, is utterly ick for many,

Why do you keep saying he 'loved her so much he married her'? It sounds as if he didn't really love her all that much.

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 16:20

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:12

I find it very odd that you are giving the sexual implications of it so much thought. Any 'incest' seems to be in your head TBH.

Really? You think it's odd to consider it off-putting/'icky' to have sex with a man who has also had sex with your close family member? I guess it takes all sorts!

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:20

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 16:18

Because that's the part I find most off-putting?

The rest of it is odd and seems dreadfully awkward, but maybe potentially navigable...the sex though - I just can't see myself getting past the weirdness of it. Although, obviously it's not a concern for you, and fair enough if you're not bothered.

I find it very odd that you are so hung up on the sex side of it. Do you typically have mental images of people having sex?

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:21

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 16:20

Really? You think it's odd to consider it off-putting/'icky' to have sex with a man who has also had sex with your close family member? I guess it takes all sorts!

I find it very odd, yes.

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:22

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:19

Why do you keep saying he 'loved her so much he married her'? It sounds as if he didn't really love her all that much.

I’d hazard good money he was very loved up when he married as was she.

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 16:23

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:20

I find it very odd that you are so hung up on the sex side of it. Do you typically have mental images of people having sex?

I think the one obsessed with sex here is you Hmm

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:24

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:21

I find it very odd, yes.

Me too, I just couldn’t shag someone who has sex with a close family member, repeatedly. But many do, Jeremy Kyle made a career out of it, and it seems posters on here would happily fuck their siblings ex or have their siblings fuck theirs if they split up.

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:24

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:22

I’d hazard good money he was very loved up when he married as was she.

Not necessarily. People aren't always, a lot of people get married because it seems like the next step in the relationship, rather than because they are crazy about their fiance(e).

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:25

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:24

Not necessarily. People aren't always, a lot of people get married because it seems like the next step in the relationship, rather than because they are crazy about their fiance(e).

Oh give over with the maybe he didn’t love her nonsense trying to downplay their marriage,

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 16:25

@OtterlyAstounding I would find it gross to have a man's penis in me after it had been in my sister's vagina.

@Plumzingy1 can you confirm if your boyfriend has washed his dick in the past 7 years, or has he not? I think it might be important 🤷‍♀️.

…..and definitely I wouldn't want to be able to swap notes (if so desired) with my sister on his various techniques, likes, or physical attributes. Urgh.

I can genuinely say I’ve never ‘swapped notes’ about anyone, ever. People are different according to who they are with.

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:26

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 16:23

I think the one obsessed with sex here is you Hmm

How so? You keep talking about how the ex has been 'inside' the sister. I find that weird and a bit gross tbh, not that it happened but that you think about it in those terms!

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:26

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 16:25

@OtterlyAstounding I would find it gross to have a man's penis in me after it had been in my sister's vagina.

@Plumzingy1 can you confirm if your boyfriend has washed his dick in the past 7 years, or has he not? I think it might be important 🤷‍♀️.

…..and definitely I wouldn't want to be able to swap notes (if so desired) with my sister on his various techniques, likes, or physical attributes. Urgh.

I can genuinely say I’ve never ‘swapped notes’ about anyone, ever. People are different according to who they are with.

I think there is a difference between an ex who is a stranger and your own sister, bur you do you and if your sister divorces her husband, you get in there,

BetterWithPockets · Yesterday 16:26

I’m glad it’s out in the open, OP, and that you’ve not been disowned! I didn’t post on your first thread but am definitely in the ‘life is complicated and things don’t always work out how you think’ camp — which is to say that we all do things we subsequently regret or wish we’d handled differently— but equally life is short and if you’re happy, and your sister can find a way to be okay with it, then I really hope things work out for you.

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:27

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 16:25

Oh give over with the maybe he didn’t love her nonsense trying to downplay their marriage,

Why are you so certain that they were madly in love? Have you really never heard of people getting married when they weren't in love? You must be very naive if so.

user233675892 · Yesterday 16:28

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:27

Why are you so certain that they were madly in love? Have you really never heard of people getting married when they weren't in love? You must be very naive if so.

Or they were and then they weren't. Happens every day.