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Update: I told my family about my relationship with my sister's ex

367 replies

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 13:48

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

I honestly didn't expect my last thread to get as much attention as it did. I deleted the account but then thought to update. I read most of the responses, even the ones telling me I was an awful sister and those saying they'd never speak to me again if I were their sibling. Equally, I read the replies from people who thought life isn't always black and white and that happiness is complicated.
A lot of people said I needed to stop worrying about hypothetical reactions and actually tell my family. Quite a few also said that if I genuinely saw a future with him then keeping him hidden indefinitely wasn't fair on anyone, including him.
Well, I've done it.

I spoke to my sister, I went to her house and we had a proper conversation. I was absolutely terrified. I barely slept the night before because I had convinced myself this would be the end of our relationship as sisters.

I told her everything. I didn't try to minimise it or soften it. I was honest about the timeline because I knew it would be far worse if she later found out we'd actually been together for over a year after I'd implied it was something much more recent.

She was upset. Really upset and there were some long silences where neither of us knew what to say.The first thing she asked was whether there had been any overlap. I told her absolutely not. Their marriage had been over for 7 years before anything happened between us.She then asked whether I'd secretly had feelings for him while they were married or whether anything had ever happened before. Again, the answer was no. I did not even see him after the divorce when we met again last year by chance at the same event I genuinely thought we'd have a catch-up and that would be that.

She asked why we'd kept it secret for so long. The honest answer is that after we slept together we both assumed it had been a mistake that would go nowhere. After he messages me to see if I'd gotten home safe, we talked and we both agreed we had fun the night before. Then feelings developed, and every month that passed made it feel like a bigger and bigger conversation to have. She said she wished I'd told her sooner.I couldn't really argue with that because she's right.Then she asked me if I was actually happy with him I told her yes.

She was quiet for a while before saying they probably should never have got married because they simply weren't compatible. Looking back, she thinks they stayed together longer than they should have trying to make something work that never really did.She said she wants me to be happy. She isn't happy about the situation, and she's understandably hurt, but she wants me to be happy. She also said she just needs time to get used to it.
After that I spoke to my parents because I wanted them to hear it from me.
A lot of people on my last thread were convinced they'd disown me.
That honestly never crossed my mind. They're my parents. Why would they disown me? They might be disappointed by choices I've made but disappointment isn't the same as cutting your child out of your life forever. I found it quite odd how many people assumed that would be the automatic outcome.Both were shocked. But they also both said they want me to be happy. They know this isn't an ideal situation and they know people will have opinions, but they also know we're two adults who have found ourselves in a relationship.
I'm still invited to Christmas. Before anyone asks, no, I won't be taking him. I think that would be completely inappropriate this year and far too much to expect of everyone else. Maybe in a couple of years things will look different, maybe they won't, but I'm certainly not trying to force everyone into one happy blended family overnight.

One thing I do want to address is the comments about children because there seemed to be a lot of assumptions.

I'm 36. We've only been together just over a year and we're nowhere near the stage of trying for children. If our relationship progresses to marriage and we eventually decide we want to build a family together, I'll probably be around 40. I've already accepted that I may never have biological children and, genuinely, I'm okay with that. Knowing myself, I don't think I'd want to start trying at that point.

People also seemed to think I was being very blasé about adoption. I'm not. I've fostered children and, through that, I've had advice about the adoption process. I know it's lengthy, thorough and far from guaranteed. I only mentioned it because it's something I've always been open to if I wasn't able to have biological children. I'm not assuming it would simply happen.I appreciate people can only comment on what I write, but I can't possibly include every detail of my life, every conversation and every thought process in one Mumsnet post.

Nothing has magically been fixed. My sister isn't suddenly thrilled about this, and I don't expect her to be. There will probably be awkward moments for a long time yet.

I'm also not trying to convince anyone that ours is some once-in-a-lifetime, sacred love story that excuses everything else.What I am saying is much simpler than that.I love him.I'm happy.He makes me very happy.For the first time in my life I can genuinely see a future with someone.

Life is too fucking short to walk away from someone you love simply because other people think you should. I know plenty of people will disagree with that, and that's their right. Equally, I know some people will never think what we've done is acceptable.

I'm not looking for universal approval because I know I'm never going to get it.
I just wanted to update those who told me to stop hiding and have the difficult conversations.I did.Now we'll see where life takes us.

AIBU to pursue a future with my sister's ex-husband? | Mumsnet

I have gone back and forth about posting this because I know people will have strong opinions, but I genuinely don't know whether I've completely lost...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

OP posts:
WiddlinDiddlin · Yesterday 14:59

basiically · Yesterday 14:12

But true.

In what way exactly, I don't see any inconsistencies in the OP's posts - loads in the made up, invented, fictional shit people have jumped to conclusions over, sure!

@Plumzingy1 I am happy it seems to be working out - in your sisters shoes, it is the lengthy deception/omitting the truth that would piss me off, however I am mature enough to grasp that it's not that easy to pinpoint a 'right time' to tell someone something like this.

Do it early on and you're potentially upsetting someone over a situation that is temporary, as the relationship fizzles out.

Leave it til you're sure this is solid.. as you have... and then you've kept folk in the dark for ages.

Give 'em time, don't take him to family gatherings until they actively invite him, and be happy.

Besafeeatcake · Yesterday 15:11

Does anyone else not think the ‘we want you to be happy’ is the polite way of saying you are going to do what you want anyway and we don’t want to argue?

OP your family is being polite in the moment and I agree with another poster who says this may get worse before it gets better.

As I said in my last post you don’t seem to care what anyone else thinks. You told them as you didn’t want to hide your relationship not because it was the right thing to do.

Maybe an update on six months will be a more accurate update.

Escapetothecatshome · Yesterday 15:17

It took a lot of guts to tell them, and you must have been scared of their reactions, I think you did the right thing.
And for what’s it’s worth which isn’t much, you deserve to be happy !
wishing you the best x

Tablesandchairs23 · Yesterday 15:18

I think your family are being polite. Your sister is obviously hurt and probably shocked by it. Be prepared for your relationship with your family to be more distant.

12234m · Yesterday 15:18

I think the inconsistencies are because on thread one she told her sister and she was all happy for her. Then on this one she's really upset and needs time..

Whyherewego · Yesterday 15:21

Well done OP for having the honest conversations. I truly hope that this is a weight off your mind and that, in time, this will gradually become easier.

nomas · Yesterday 15:22

Tablesandchairs23 · Yesterday 15:18

I think your family are being polite. Your sister is obviously hurt and probably shocked by it. Be prepared for your relationship with your family to be more distant.

Wow, so many people want OP’s relationship with her family to implode.

It’s a marriage without kids that ended 7 years ago for both parties, hardly the crime of the century.

BunnyLake · Yesterday 15:25

If my sister started seeing my ex I’d laugh and say good luck!

No judgement though. The fact that family get-togethers will forever be awkward would put me off the whole thing, I like a simple life.

user233675892 · Yesterday 15:26

I've just glanced at the other thread. It's so hard to know what's real on here and what's trolling, but giving the benefit of the doubt this is real, I'm not sure I get what everyone is so upset about.

I've only been married once, still married, but I've tried to think about how I'd feel if my sister was having a relationship with the guy I was seriously involved with for several years before DH, and I think I'd be fine?

In this instance I might be annoyed about the lying and the fact you'd been open with his family, but I can't imagine it destroying our relationship.

KilkennyCats · Yesterday 15:26

12234m · Yesterday 15:18

I think the inconsistencies are because on thread one she told her sister and she was all happy for her. Then on this one she's really upset and needs time..

So the “update” is just (yet) another variant of the original saga?
Why do people do this?!

Tablesandchairs23 · Yesterday 15:29

nomas · Yesterday 15:22

Wow, so many people want OP’s relationship with her family to implode.

It’s a marriage without kids that ended 7 years ago for both parties, hardly the crime of the century.

She'd be niave to think it won't have an impact. Some lines you dont cross. Shagging your ex brother in law is one of them!

ERthree · Yesterday 15:29

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Switcher · Yesterday 15:33

It's all so incredibly personal (as well as fairly unusual) that I can't imagine wanting the advice or opinions of random strangers on it. Enjoy your life, take the feelings of others into account in your decisions, but ultimately they're your decisions. I know somebody who married his ex-wife's younger sister. So his son has a half-sister who is also a cousin, and an aunt who is also his stepmother! They all get on fine.

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 15:35

Oh.blimey how Jeremy Kyle, I don’t know how you can do that, have sex with a man who had sex with your sister and loved her so much he married her. Part of me wonders if you were always jealous or competitive with her, but you didn’t win a prize, just her cast offs.

sorry op, glad you’ve owned it, but I don’t know how you can, don’t you feel like tbe consolation prize, he knew you then and prefered your sister.

katepilar · Yesterday 15:36

12234m · Yesterday 15:18

I think the inconsistencies are because on thread one she told her sister and she was all happy for her. Then on this one she's really upset and needs time..

You are not reading very well. Last thread stopped at the point OP and her sister just texted and had a conversation on the phone. Her sister sounded ok having just received the information. This thread is at the stage where they had long conversation in person.

katepilar · Yesterday 15:38

KilkennyCats · Yesterday 15:26

So the “update” is just (yet) another variant of the original saga?
Why do people do this?!

Its not another variant, its evolving as time goes on and OP had a face to face conversation with her sister.

Flamingojune · Yesterday 15:39

Switcher · Yesterday 15:33

It's all so incredibly personal (as well as fairly unusual) that I can't imagine wanting the advice or opinions of random strangers on it. Enjoy your life, take the feelings of others into account in your decisions, but ultimately they're your decisions. I know somebody who married his ex-wife's younger sister. So his son has a half-sister who is also a cousin, and an aunt who is also his stepmother! They all get on fine.

Do they? Really?

Chocolatebunny61 · Yesterday 15:40

I’m so pleased you’ve talked to your sister and that she hasn’t completely vetoed the relationship. I think your parents will accept it easily if your sister does. You’ve answered all their questions honestly and I’m not surprised your sister got upset and wants a bit of time to get used to it. I’m sure it probably made her think back to when she was married to your partner and made her revisit the grief that is a natural part of splitting up, even if it is the right decision. Your parents will probably see how your sister feels and if she accepts it then they will. You’ve done nothing wrong so don’t be made to feel bad for pursuing a relationship that is right for you. Good luck!

IamtheDevilsAvocado · Yesterday 15:41

moderndilemma · Yesterday 14:34

Well done for being honest. At last.

But don't expect everything to be smooth. Your dsis and family's shocked reaction seems to be 'we only want you to be happy'. But their delayed anger may come into play later, not least at you having deceived them for a year.

tbh, it all reads a bit too happy-ever-after at the moment.

My friend divorced and many years later married her BIL. Very short term it was accepted but the long-term consequence has been a very fractured family. Be prepared for that.

You repeatedly say that their relationship has been over for 7 years. Mine has been over for 30 years. I'd still struggle if my dsis and ex got together.

I don't quite understand why you'd be upset...??

Unless he was an abuser?

Or unless there was any overlap?

Surely when youve parted from someone they are free to be with someone else? Even your sister?

katepilar · Yesterday 15:42

Switcher · Yesterday 15:33

It's all so incredibly personal (as well as fairly unusual) that I can't imagine wanting the advice or opinions of random strangers on it. Enjoy your life, take the feelings of others into account in your decisions, but ultimately they're your decisions. I know somebody who married his ex-wife's younger sister. So his son has a half-sister who is also a cousin, and an aunt who is also his stepmother! They all get on fine.

Similar situations that used to be common until some 130 years ago. At least where I am they were /Central Europe/. If one of the spouses died, the other often married a sibling of their late husband or wife.

Kokonimater · Yesterday 15:45

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 13:48

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

I honestly didn't expect my last thread to get as much attention as it did. I deleted the account but then thought to update. I read most of the responses, even the ones telling me I was an awful sister and those saying they'd never speak to me again if I were their sibling. Equally, I read the replies from people who thought life isn't always black and white and that happiness is complicated.
A lot of people said I needed to stop worrying about hypothetical reactions and actually tell my family. Quite a few also said that if I genuinely saw a future with him then keeping him hidden indefinitely wasn't fair on anyone, including him.
Well, I've done it.

I spoke to my sister, I went to her house and we had a proper conversation. I was absolutely terrified. I barely slept the night before because I had convinced myself this would be the end of our relationship as sisters.

I told her everything. I didn't try to minimise it or soften it. I was honest about the timeline because I knew it would be far worse if she later found out we'd actually been together for over a year after I'd implied it was something much more recent.

She was upset. Really upset and there were some long silences where neither of us knew what to say.The first thing she asked was whether there had been any overlap. I told her absolutely not. Their marriage had been over for 7 years before anything happened between us.She then asked whether I'd secretly had feelings for him while they were married or whether anything had ever happened before. Again, the answer was no. I did not even see him after the divorce when we met again last year by chance at the same event I genuinely thought we'd have a catch-up and that would be that.

She asked why we'd kept it secret for so long. The honest answer is that after we slept together we both assumed it had been a mistake that would go nowhere. After he messages me to see if I'd gotten home safe, we talked and we both agreed we had fun the night before. Then feelings developed, and every month that passed made it feel like a bigger and bigger conversation to have. She said she wished I'd told her sooner.I couldn't really argue with that because she's right.Then she asked me if I was actually happy with him I told her yes.

She was quiet for a while before saying they probably should never have got married because they simply weren't compatible. Looking back, she thinks they stayed together longer than they should have trying to make something work that never really did.She said she wants me to be happy. She isn't happy about the situation, and she's understandably hurt, but she wants me to be happy. She also said she just needs time to get used to it.
After that I spoke to my parents because I wanted them to hear it from me.
A lot of people on my last thread were convinced they'd disown me.
That honestly never crossed my mind. They're my parents. Why would they disown me? They might be disappointed by choices I've made but disappointment isn't the same as cutting your child out of your life forever. I found it quite odd how many people assumed that would be the automatic outcome.Both were shocked. But they also both said they want me to be happy. They know this isn't an ideal situation and they know people will have opinions, but they also know we're two adults who have found ourselves in a relationship.
I'm still invited to Christmas. Before anyone asks, no, I won't be taking him. I think that would be completely inappropriate this year and far too much to expect of everyone else. Maybe in a couple of years things will look different, maybe they won't, but I'm certainly not trying to force everyone into one happy blended family overnight.

One thing I do want to address is the comments about children because there seemed to be a lot of assumptions.

I'm 36. We've only been together just over a year and we're nowhere near the stage of trying for children. If our relationship progresses to marriage and we eventually decide we want to build a family together, I'll probably be around 40. I've already accepted that I may never have biological children and, genuinely, I'm okay with that. Knowing myself, I don't think I'd want to start trying at that point.

People also seemed to think I was being very blasé about adoption. I'm not. I've fostered children and, through that, I've had advice about the adoption process. I know it's lengthy, thorough and far from guaranteed. I only mentioned it because it's something I've always been open to if I wasn't able to have biological children. I'm not assuming it would simply happen.I appreciate people can only comment on what I write, but I can't possibly include every detail of my life, every conversation and every thought process in one Mumsnet post.

Nothing has magically been fixed. My sister isn't suddenly thrilled about this, and I don't expect her to be. There will probably be awkward moments for a long time yet.

I'm also not trying to convince anyone that ours is some once-in-a-lifetime, sacred love story that excuses everything else.What I am saying is much simpler than that.I love him.I'm happy.He makes me very happy.For the first time in my life I can genuinely see a future with someone.

Life is too fucking short to walk away from someone you love simply because other people think you should. I know plenty of people will disagree with that, and that's their right. Equally, I know some people will never think what we've done is acceptable.

I'm not looking for universal approval because I know I'm never going to get it.
I just wanted to update those who told me to stop hiding and have the difficult conversations.I did.Now we'll see where life takes us.

Well done. And congratulations.
I’m sure it’ll all work out well for you all. You have a lovely family. Be happy

PeopleWatching17 · Yesterday 15:46

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 13:48

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

I honestly didn't expect my last thread to get as much attention as it did. I deleted the account but then thought to update. I read most of the responses, even the ones telling me I was an awful sister and those saying they'd never speak to me again if I were their sibling. Equally, I read the replies from people who thought life isn't always black and white and that happiness is complicated.
A lot of people said I needed to stop worrying about hypothetical reactions and actually tell my family. Quite a few also said that if I genuinely saw a future with him then keeping him hidden indefinitely wasn't fair on anyone, including him.
Well, I've done it.

I spoke to my sister, I went to her house and we had a proper conversation. I was absolutely terrified. I barely slept the night before because I had convinced myself this would be the end of our relationship as sisters.

I told her everything. I didn't try to minimise it or soften it. I was honest about the timeline because I knew it would be far worse if she later found out we'd actually been together for over a year after I'd implied it was something much more recent.

She was upset. Really upset and there were some long silences where neither of us knew what to say.The first thing she asked was whether there had been any overlap. I told her absolutely not. Their marriage had been over for 7 years before anything happened between us.She then asked whether I'd secretly had feelings for him while they were married or whether anything had ever happened before. Again, the answer was no. I did not even see him after the divorce when we met again last year by chance at the same event I genuinely thought we'd have a catch-up and that would be that.

She asked why we'd kept it secret for so long. The honest answer is that after we slept together we both assumed it had been a mistake that would go nowhere. After he messages me to see if I'd gotten home safe, we talked and we both agreed we had fun the night before. Then feelings developed, and every month that passed made it feel like a bigger and bigger conversation to have. She said she wished I'd told her sooner.I couldn't really argue with that because she's right.Then she asked me if I was actually happy with him I told her yes.

She was quiet for a while before saying they probably should never have got married because they simply weren't compatible. Looking back, she thinks they stayed together longer than they should have trying to make something work that never really did.She said she wants me to be happy. She isn't happy about the situation, and she's understandably hurt, but she wants me to be happy. She also said she just needs time to get used to it.
After that I spoke to my parents because I wanted them to hear it from me.
A lot of people on my last thread were convinced they'd disown me.
That honestly never crossed my mind. They're my parents. Why would they disown me? They might be disappointed by choices I've made but disappointment isn't the same as cutting your child out of your life forever. I found it quite odd how many people assumed that would be the automatic outcome.Both were shocked. But they also both said they want me to be happy. They know this isn't an ideal situation and they know people will have opinions, but they also know we're two adults who have found ourselves in a relationship.
I'm still invited to Christmas. Before anyone asks, no, I won't be taking him. I think that would be completely inappropriate this year and far too much to expect of everyone else. Maybe in a couple of years things will look different, maybe they won't, but I'm certainly not trying to force everyone into one happy blended family overnight.

One thing I do want to address is the comments about children because there seemed to be a lot of assumptions.

I'm 36. We've only been together just over a year and we're nowhere near the stage of trying for children. If our relationship progresses to marriage and we eventually decide we want to build a family together, I'll probably be around 40. I've already accepted that I may never have biological children and, genuinely, I'm okay with that. Knowing myself, I don't think I'd want to start trying at that point.

People also seemed to think I was being very blasé about adoption. I'm not. I've fostered children and, through that, I've had advice about the adoption process. I know it's lengthy, thorough and far from guaranteed. I only mentioned it because it's something I've always been open to if I wasn't able to have biological children. I'm not assuming it would simply happen.I appreciate people can only comment on what I write, but I can't possibly include every detail of my life, every conversation and every thought process in one Mumsnet post.

Nothing has magically been fixed. My sister isn't suddenly thrilled about this, and I don't expect her to be. There will probably be awkward moments for a long time yet.

I'm also not trying to convince anyone that ours is some once-in-a-lifetime, sacred love story that excuses everything else.What I am saying is much simpler than that.I love him.I'm happy.He makes me very happy.For the first time in my life I can genuinely see a future with someone.

Life is too fucking short to walk away from someone you love simply because other people think you should. I know plenty of people will disagree with that, and that's their right. Equally, I know some people will never think what we've done is acceptable.

I'm not looking for universal approval because I know I'm never going to get it.
I just wanted to update those who told me to stop hiding and have the difficult conversations.I did.Now we'll see where life takes us.

It’s really hard to find someone who makes you happy and with whom you are comfortable. You’ve done the hard part, people will still love you. If my sister had a relationship with my ex, I wouldn’t be at all concerned. We split because the relationship had run its course. Seven years is an age. Go for it x

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 15:46

IamtheDevilsAvocado · Yesterday 15:41

I don't quite understand why you'd be upset...??

Unless he was an abuser?

Or unless there was any overlap?

Surely when youve parted from someone they are free to be with someone else? Even your sister?

That’s quite unusual. That you can’t understand it.

AppleDumplingWithCustard · Yesterday 15:47

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 15:35

Oh.blimey how Jeremy Kyle, I don’t know how you can do that, have sex with a man who had sex with your sister and loved her so much he married her. Part of me wonders if you were always jealous or competitive with her, but you didn’t win a prize, just her cast offs.

sorry op, glad you’ve owned it, but I don’t know how you can, don’t you feel like tbe consolation prize, he knew you then and prefered your sister.

Why do posters frequently throw in this mealy-mouthed ‘sorry’ when they then write something negative/sisapproving?

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 15:50

AppleDumplingWithCustard · Yesterday 15:47

Why do posters frequently throw in this mealy-mouthed ‘sorry’ when they then write something negative/sisapproving?

Well it’s sorry for not saying what I suspect she wants to hear., not sorry for the opinion. Fucking a man who has sex with your sister, prefered her to you and getting with him as the consolation prize is just icky to me,

and if it was him who ended the marriage, then it’s even worse, sibling rivalry on steroids.

op, why did they divorce, ?