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Update: I told my family about my relationship with my sister's ex

367 replies

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 13:48

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

I honestly didn't expect my last thread to get as much attention as it did. I deleted the account but then thought to update. I read most of the responses, even the ones telling me I was an awful sister and those saying they'd never speak to me again if I were their sibling. Equally, I read the replies from people who thought life isn't always black and white and that happiness is complicated.
A lot of people said I needed to stop worrying about hypothetical reactions and actually tell my family. Quite a few also said that if I genuinely saw a future with him then keeping him hidden indefinitely wasn't fair on anyone, including him.
Well, I've done it.

I spoke to my sister, I went to her house and we had a proper conversation. I was absolutely terrified. I barely slept the night before because I had convinced myself this would be the end of our relationship as sisters.

I told her everything. I didn't try to minimise it or soften it. I was honest about the timeline because I knew it would be far worse if she later found out we'd actually been together for over a year after I'd implied it was something much more recent.

She was upset. Really upset and there were some long silences where neither of us knew what to say.The first thing she asked was whether there had been any overlap. I told her absolutely not. Their marriage had been over for 7 years before anything happened between us.She then asked whether I'd secretly had feelings for him while they were married or whether anything had ever happened before. Again, the answer was no. I did not even see him after the divorce when we met again last year by chance at the same event I genuinely thought we'd have a catch-up and that would be that.

She asked why we'd kept it secret for so long. The honest answer is that after we slept together we both assumed it had been a mistake that would go nowhere. After he messages me to see if I'd gotten home safe, we talked and we both agreed we had fun the night before. Then feelings developed, and every month that passed made it feel like a bigger and bigger conversation to have. She said she wished I'd told her sooner.I couldn't really argue with that because she's right.Then she asked me if I was actually happy with him I told her yes.

She was quiet for a while before saying they probably should never have got married because they simply weren't compatible. Looking back, she thinks they stayed together longer than they should have trying to make something work that never really did.She said she wants me to be happy. She isn't happy about the situation, and she's understandably hurt, but she wants me to be happy. She also said she just needs time to get used to it.
After that I spoke to my parents because I wanted them to hear it from me.
A lot of people on my last thread were convinced they'd disown me.
That honestly never crossed my mind. They're my parents. Why would they disown me? They might be disappointed by choices I've made but disappointment isn't the same as cutting your child out of your life forever. I found it quite odd how many people assumed that would be the automatic outcome.Both were shocked. But they also both said they want me to be happy. They know this isn't an ideal situation and they know people will have opinions, but they also know we're two adults who have found ourselves in a relationship.
I'm still invited to Christmas. Before anyone asks, no, I won't be taking him. I think that would be completely inappropriate this year and far too much to expect of everyone else. Maybe in a couple of years things will look different, maybe they won't, but I'm certainly not trying to force everyone into one happy blended family overnight.

One thing I do want to address is the comments about children because there seemed to be a lot of assumptions.

I'm 36. We've only been together just over a year and we're nowhere near the stage of trying for children. If our relationship progresses to marriage and we eventually decide we want to build a family together, I'll probably be around 40. I've already accepted that I may never have biological children and, genuinely, I'm okay with that. Knowing myself, I don't think I'd want to start trying at that point.

People also seemed to think I was being very blasé about adoption. I'm not. I've fostered children and, through that, I've had advice about the adoption process. I know it's lengthy, thorough and far from guaranteed. I only mentioned it because it's something I've always been open to if I wasn't able to have biological children. I'm not assuming it would simply happen.I appreciate people can only comment on what I write, but I can't possibly include every detail of my life, every conversation and every thought process in one Mumsnet post.

Nothing has magically been fixed. My sister isn't suddenly thrilled about this, and I don't expect her to be. There will probably be awkward moments for a long time yet.

I'm also not trying to convince anyone that ours is some once-in-a-lifetime, sacred love story that excuses everything else.What I am saying is much simpler than that.I love him.I'm happy.He makes me very happy.For the first time in my life I can genuinely see a future with someone.

Life is too fucking short to walk away from someone you love simply because other people think you should. I know plenty of people will disagree with that, and that's their right. Equally, I know some people will never think what we've done is acceptable.

I'm not looking for universal approval because I know I'm never going to get it.
I just wanted to update those who told me to stop hiding and have the difficult conversations.I did.Now we'll see where life takes us.

AIBU to pursue a future with my sister's ex-husband? | Mumsnet

I have gone back and forth about posting this because I know people will have strong opinions, but I genuinely don't know whether I've completely lost...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

OP posts:
MrsKeats · Yesterday 16:46

Your poor sister.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · Yesterday 16:46

Honestly? I’d walk away from this for so many reasons. I don’t believe you didn’t feel anything for him before. I feel he may be trying to get back at your sister.

Your family are being very understanding but especially your sister. I’d always have doubts in my mind about this if I was her and I don’t think I’d be able to fully trust you again.

I mean of all the men in the world and it’s her ex husband. Really? Really?

Unless you update here many years from now with an update then I can see this going pear shaped.

Most people (including me once) just don’t go there with friend’s exes no matter how much you like them and even more so in your family’s case.

Your biological clock is probably ticking like mad, he’s come along and he’s a safe bet, as you know him. You’re thinking with your heart not your head.

Weirdwonderfully · Yesterday 16:47

It must feel great to have it off your shoulders and also give him reassurance. I hope it doesn’t ruin your relationship with your sister as I know it would me and mine if I ever did this to her with me vice versa. That being said I’ve seen it happen where a woman was with a man for 6 years she ended that and then ended up with his little brother and they are now in a mortgage house with a child and engaged everything she didn’t have with the other one so it does happen. I think your saving grace might be the fact they don’t share children and it was 7 years ago. I do hope everything works out for you all as a family and in a relationship.

FlamingoFloss · Yesterday 16:47

Well done Op. if they had children, I think it would be a whole other story but they don’t and I think that changes things. No it’s not ideal but life is never just black-and-white and the longer I live I realise this. Life is too short so just be happy.

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:48

MrsKeats · Yesterday 16:46

Your poor sister.

Why? She is happily married with three children? I would get this attitude if there was cheating involved, but there wasn't.

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 16:51

Guys! People get over stuff, my sister and I will stay sisters and I don’t see this ruining our relationship. Yes it’ll be weird for a while it’s not as though he’s going to be attending every single summer event. People saying ‘what will she tell her kids’??? What those aren’t his children. Or ‘what does her husband think’ her husband doesn’t have an opinion he doesn’t even know the guy. Her husband was previously married too. Sometimes you just marry the wrong person. There’s no bad blood between my sister and him, she always maintained even after the divorce that he’s a great guy, they just weren’t suited and rushed things, same thing she said to me when we talked.
Stop obsessing over the sex, yes he’s had sex wirh both of us that’s just life. I think in a couple of years we can all joke about it.

No he wasn’t attracted to me when they were married. I was barely around, I was travelling at that point. I think I’m their marriage I met him a total of about 5 times, at family events then when they were seeing other before married probably like twice. I did not know him. I’d never really even had a conversation with him apart from small talk. There’s a bit of an age gap between my sister and I, we weren’t completing over men it would have been very weird if we were considering by the time she started having boyfriends I was still a school kid ie primary school and early secondary school. Just relax. Yes it’s not s great situation. Yes I’ve had sex with him that’s the circle of life people have sex everyday, yes we had sex the first time we saw each other at the event, yes I did regret it, yes we spoke after and got to know each other. No I am not a child, the age gap isn’t a bit deal I am a 36 year old woman, it’s not as if I am in my mid 20s. I have bought my house, have a career, he’s not taking advantage of me.

Yes he loved her when they were married. Yes she loved him. Yes they divorced, they were not compatible my sister maintains that stance even today.

Just relax with the assumptions on things I haven’t even mentioned.

This might not even work out and yes I’ll look like a fool of it doesn’t we are only a year in, all I know is for now I am happy and I care about him and we’d like to just live our lives and we will find a way to navigate this as best as we can. I am certain once things settle it’ll just be a running joke in the family.
Yes I am disgusting dreadful person for this one of the worst crimes every committed.

Yes if things progress we can joke about it and he can be uncle dad or whatever else you guys have said. Yes we should be on Jeremy Kyle show.

OP posts:
Genevieva · Yesterday 16:51

Well done! But don't dismiss having your own children. If it is working, try living together and you can always progress to marriage and children next year.

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:52

The actress Penelope Wilton's ex husband married her sister within a couple of years of their divorce, and they had children together (I mean Daniel Massey and Penelope did, not Daniel and her sister Linda) They made it work and it didn't lead to a huge rift. I do think it can be dodgier when kids are involved, like when Robert Plant was married to and had children (one of whom died!) with one sister and then more children with another. That to me is more problematic.

TheSlantedOwl · Yesterday 16:53

Respect to you all in how you’re handling this. You, your sister, your parents.

Pearlstillsinging · Yesterday 16:54

I hope it works out for you, OP.

I couldn't understand the faux(?) outrage on your other thread. It's 7 yrs since DSis' divorce, why the heck would she care what her ex does now? And of course she should want you to be happy. Nobody owns another person, let alone someone they moved on from years ago.

Bridesmaidorexfriend · Yesterday 16:54

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 16:51

Guys! People get over stuff, my sister and I will stay sisters and I don’t see this ruining our relationship. Yes it’ll be weird for a while it’s not as though he’s going to be attending every single summer event. People saying ‘what will she tell her kids’??? What those aren’t his children. Or ‘what does her husband think’ her husband doesn’t have an opinion he doesn’t even know the guy. Her husband was previously married too. Sometimes you just marry the wrong person. There’s no bad blood between my sister and him, she always maintained even after the divorce that he’s a great guy, they just weren’t suited and rushed things, same thing she said to me when we talked.
Stop obsessing over the sex, yes he’s had sex wirh both of us that’s just life. I think in a couple of years we can all joke about it.

No he wasn’t attracted to me when they were married. I was barely around, I was travelling at that point. I think I’m their marriage I met him a total of about 5 times, at family events then when they were seeing other before married probably like twice. I did not know him. I’d never really even had a conversation with him apart from small talk. There’s a bit of an age gap between my sister and I, we weren’t completing over men it would have been very weird if we were considering by the time she started having boyfriends I was still a school kid ie primary school and early secondary school. Just relax. Yes it’s not s great situation. Yes I’ve had sex with him that’s the circle of life people have sex everyday, yes we had sex the first time we saw each other at the event, yes I did regret it, yes we spoke after and got to know each other. No I am not a child, the age gap isn’t a bit deal I am a 36 year old woman, it’s not as if I am in my mid 20s. I have bought my house, have a career, he’s not taking advantage of me.

Yes he loved her when they were married. Yes she loved him. Yes they divorced, they were not compatible my sister maintains that stance even today.

Just relax with the assumptions on things I haven’t even mentioned.

This might not even work out and yes I’ll look like a fool of it doesn’t we are only a year in, all I know is for now I am happy and I care about him and we’d like to just live our lives and we will find a way to navigate this as best as we can. I am certain once things settle it’ll just be a running joke in the family.
Yes I am disgusting dreadful person for this one of the worst crimes every committed.

Yes if things progress we can joke about it and he can be uncle dad or whatever else you guys have said. Yes we should be on Jeremy Kyle show.

Well he wouldn’t be uncle dad because your sister didn’t have kids with him. I wasn’t trying to insult you, I was just telling you that it was a thing at the time. Everyone moved on and my brothers are still close and no one cares about it now, and their situation was a millions times messier. Was supposed to be reassuring lol

Summervibes83 · Yesterday 16:57

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 13:59

Life is too fucking short to walk away from someone you love simply because other people think you should

This is all you need to focus on.

I hope you both continue to be happy! ❤️

Agree! For all the people saying there are billions of men in the world etc - really? I'm in my mid 40s and I've never met the right person, if you find someone who truly makes you happy that's not something you can just replace with any other guy.

Good luck OP. And well done for your graciousness in the face of some fairly appalling abuse on your last thread.

ThatLilacTiger · Yesterday 16:58

I don't see the massive deal to be honest. Yeah it's weird and not ideal like you say but if he didn't abuse her and she ended the relationship almost a decade ago then who cares. If one of my friends wanted to marry my ex I'd be fine with it, although a bit confused about why they'd want to marry that knob.

JuliettaCaeser · Yesterday 16:58

Ooh I read a novel with this very plot. It was really good actually.

I would agree with a pp there are so many men in the world did it really have to be that one? Still if it works out that’s good

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 16:59

@Plumzingy1 This might not even work out and yes I’ll look like a fool of it doesn’t we are only a year in, all I know is for now I am happy and I care about him and we’d like to just live our lives and we will find a way to navigate this as best as we can

This is exactly what everyone hopes for when they are in a relationship, except for the ‘looking like a fool’ bit. You won’t and don’t let anyone tell you that. I am single which means that every relationship in the past (including one marriage) didn’t work out. No one has said I’m a fool for that!

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 17:00

JuliettaCaeser · Yesterday 16:58

Ooh I read a novel with this very plot. It was really good actually.

I would agree with a pp there are so many men in the world did it really have to be that one? Still if it works out that’s good

People keep on that 'there are so many men in the world', yet according to most Mumsnetters, most men are utterly crap. I wish you'd make your minds up! I think it is rare to have that deep connection with anybody, male or female.

grumpygrape · Yesterday 17:10

A school friend dated a guy for a couple of years before breaking up amicably. After a year she met, dated and married his brother. They've been married now for 50 years.
Next time I see them I must remember to ask her if she mentally compared their sexual techniques and ask him if he thought 'oh, brother was here' each time that made love.
Or maybe not 🤔

Autumngirl5 · Yesterday 17:11

I’m sure you feel better now it is in the open. If I was in your sister’s shoes it honestly wouldn’t bother me in the circumstances.
7 years is a long time and she doesn’t have a monopoly on him for ever.
Wishing the best of luck to you all.

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 17:11

grumpygrape · Yesterday 17:10

A school friend dated a guy for a couple of years before breaking up amicably. After a year she met, dated and married his brother. They've been married now for 50 years.
Next time I see them I must remember to ask her if she mentally compared their sexual techniques and ask him if he thought 'oh, brother was here' each time that made love.
Or maybe not 🤔

I know. The people hung up on the sexual side are very weird.

JuliettaCaeser · Yesterday 17:13

I met a woman with a child by each of two brothers. That was …odd.

BunnyLake · Yesterday 17:14

JuliettaCaeser · Yesterday 16:58

Ooh I read a novel with this very plot. It was really good actually.

I would agree with a pp there are so many men in the world did it really have to be that one? Still if it works out that’s good

Unfortunately quantity doesn’t mean quality. As someone once said, there’s plenty of fish in the sea, there’s also plenty of shit in it too”.

LettingItAllHangOut · Yesterday 17:17

moderndilemma · Yesterday 14:34

Well done for being honest. At last.

But don't expect everything to be smooth. Your dsis and family's shocked reaction seems to be 'we only want you to be happy'. But their delayed anger may come into play later, not least at you having deceived them for a year.

tbh, it all reads a bit too happy-ever-after at the moment.

My friend divorced and many years later married her BIL. Very short term it was accepted but the long-term consequence has been a very fractured family. Be prepared for that.

You repeatedly say that their relationship has been over for 7 years. Mine has been over for 30 years. I'd still struggle if my dsis and ex got together.

All of this. My family experienced this and everyone tried to make it all fine but it never was. There were underlying wounds that never healed.

Summervibes83 · Yesterday 17:18

JuliettaCaeser · Yesterday 16:58

Ooh I read a novel with this very plot. It was really good actually.

I would agree with a pp there are so many men in the world did it really have to be that one? Still if it works out that’s good

And yet, as I pointed out, so many of us have been looking for half our lives and not found the right person, it's not just a case of interchangeable men.

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 17:19

That must be hurtful if he ended the marriage. And now you’ve got involved. Does she know you fucked him as soon as you saw him again, I hope you spared her that.

did you compete wit her growing up. The older sister who got to do all the stuff you couldn’t as too young?

I’d not fuck my friends ex husbands, ever, never mind soon as I met them again, never mind a family members.

CalmTheFuckDownMargaret · Yesterday 17:19

I really hope this works for you both. You get one life and finding the right person doesn’t happen for everyone. You have to give it a chance given how truly happy you are. Sure, it’s not ideal but you didn’t plan it this way; I think this is one situation where you have to think about your own happiness as she’s found hers. You didn’t cheat or ‘steal him’ - she ended things years ago and no longer wanted him. To sacrifice your happiness for hers when they split mutually so long ago isn’t any fairer.