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Update: I told my family about my relationship with my sister's ex

370 replies

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 13:48

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

I honestly didn't expect my last thread to get as much attention as it did. I deleted the account but then thought to update. I read most of the responses, even the ones telling me I was an awful sister and those saying they'd never speak to me again if I were their sibling. Equally, I read the replies from people who thought life isn't always black and white and that happiness is complicated.
A lot of people said I needed to stop worrying about hypothetical reactions and actually tell my family. Quite a few also said that if I genuinely saw a future with him then keeping him hidden indefinitely wasn't fair on anyone, including him.
Well, I've done it.

I spoke to my sister, I went to her house and we had a proper conversation. I was absolutely terrified. I barely slept the night before because I had convinced myself this would be the end of our relationship as sisters.

I told her everything. I didn't try to minimise it or soften it. I was honest about the timeline because I knew it would be far worse if she later found out we'd actually been together for over a year after I'd implied it was something much more recent.

She was upset. Really upset and there were some long silences where neither of us knew what to say.The first thing she asked was whether there had been any overlap. I told her absolutely not. Their marriage had been over for 7 years before anything happened between us.She then asked whether I'd secretly had feelings for him while they were married or whether anything had ever happened before. Again, the answer was no. I did not even see him after the divorce when we met again last year by chance at the same event I genuinely thought we'd have a catch-up and that would be that.

She asked why we'd kept it secret for so long. The honest answer is that after we slept together we both assumed it had been a mistake that would go nowhere. After he messages me to see if I'd gotten home safe, we talked and we both agreed we had fun the night before. Then feelings developed, and every month that passed made it feel like a bigger and bigger conversation to have. She said she wished I'd told her sooner.I couldn't really argue with that because she's right.Then she asked me if I was actually happy with him I told her yes.

She was quiet for a while before saying they probably should never have got married because they simply weren't compatible. Looking back, she thinks they stayed together longer than they should have trying to make something work that never really did.She said she wants me to be happy. She isn't happy about the situation, and she's understandably hurt, but she wants me to be happy. She also said she just needs time to get used to it.
After that I spoke to my parents because I wanted them to hear it from me.
A lot of people on my last thread were convinced they'd disown me.
That honestly never crossed my mind. They're my parents. Why would they disown me? They might be disappointed by choices I've made but disappointment isn't the same as cutting your child out of your life forever. I found it quite odd how many people assumed that would be the automatic outcome.Both were shocked. But they also both said they want me to be happy. They know this isn't an ideal situation and they know people will have opinions, but they also know we're two adults who have found ourselves in a relationship.
I'm still invited to Christmas. Before anyone asks, no, I won't be taking him. I think that would be completely inappropriate this year and far too much to expect of everyone else. Maybe in a couple of years things will look different, maybe they won't, but I'm certainly not trying to force everyone into one happy blended family overnight.

One thing I do want to address is the comments about children because there seemed to be a lot of assumptions.

I'm 36. We've only been together just over a year and we're nowhere near the stage of trying for children. If our relationship progresses to marriage and we eventually decide we want to build a family together, I'll probably be around 40. I've already accepted that I may never have biological children and, genuinely, I'm okay with that. Knowing myself, I don't think I'd want to start trying at that point.

People also seemed to think I was being very blasé about adoption. I'm not. I've fostered children and, through that, I've had advice about the adoption process. I know it's lengthy, thorough and far from guaranteed. I only mentioned it because it's something I've always been open to if I wasn't able to have biological children. I'm not assuming it would simply happen.I appreciate people can only comment on what I write, but I can't possibly include every detail of my life, every conversation and every thought process in one Mumsnet post.

Nothing has magically been fixed. My sister isn't suddenly thrilled about this, and I don't expect her to be. There will probably be awkward moments for a long time yet.

I'm also not trying to convince anyone that ours is some once-in-a-lifetime, sacred love story that excuses everything else.What I am saying is much simpler than that.I love him.I'm happy.He makes me very happy.For the first time in my life I can genuinely see a future with someone.

Life is too fucking short to walk away from someone you love simply because other people think you should. I know plenty of people will disagree with that, and that's their right. Equally, I know some people will never think what we've done is acceptable.

I'm not looking for universal approval because I know I'm never going to get it.
I just wanted to update those who told me to stop hiding and have the difficult conversations.I did.Now we'll see where life takes us.

AIBU to pursue a future with my sister's ex-husband? | Mumsnet

I have gone back and forth about posting this because I know people will have strong opinions, but I genuinely don't know whether I've completely lost...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

OP posts:
DimwittedSkater · Yesterday 21:33

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 20:54

She never said how long their relationship was. All you know is they married and he ended it.

and no fucking your sisters ex the first chance you get is not normal/

She did. She said they were together for two years and then married for two years.

And by "first chance you get" do you mean "Seven years later when the sister was happily remarried with three kids"?

I think you need to read OP's posts.

Twoboysandabengal · Yesterday 21:34

DameOfThrones · Yesterday 14:01

I honestly didn't expect my last thread to get as much attention as it did. I deleted the account but then thought to update.

Oh

There’s always a loser out there!

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 21:36

EightSteps · Yesterday 21:11

I may have misunderstood, but I think the OP started this thread to give an update, not ask for judgment. I think she hot enough on the previous thread.

I'm not looking for universal approval because I know I'm never going to get it.
I just wanted to update those who told me to stop hiding and have the difficult conversations.I did. Now we'll see where life takes us.

She has admitted it's not ideal. I think we all agree on that. But piling on and making her out to be all kinds of depraved is equally not normal.

What satisfaction can you get from that? What do you expect to happen? She can't undo what's been done.

Life is rarely black and white. People make errors of judgment. Relationships are often messy, imperfect, or start that way.

I don't confone affairs either but there again things are not always black and white. Sometimes people fall in love with the 'wrong' person, others get hurt. It's sad, regrettable, but sometimes these are genuinely loving relationships. Neither party went looking for it, but it happens.

And no, I haven't had an affair. I'm just old enough and have lived enough to believe that most of us are just trying our best and don't usually aim to hurt our loved ones.

I’m also old enough to have had plenty of life experience.
But I would never, in a million years, fuck my sisters ex husband, lie about it for a year, finally confess then expect it to be all hunky dory.
I love and respect my sister far too much to even contemplate it.

SharingMyOpinion · Yesterday 21:36

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Twoboysandabengal · Yesterday 21:37

Besafeeatcake · Yesterday 15:11

Does anyone else not think the ‘we want you to be happy’ is the polite way of saying you are going to do what you want anyway and we don’t want to argue?

OP your family is being polite in the moment and I agree with another poster who says this may get worse before it gets better.

As I said in my last post you don’t seem to care what anyone else thinks. You told them as you didn’t want to hide your relationship not because it was the right thing to do.

Maybe an update on six months will be a more accurate update.

Grow up please! Stop philosophizing and coming to daft conclusions about what people say and what they actually mean

HughGrantsfurrysquirrel · Yesterday 21:38

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 16:03

What makes you sure that they'd have known each other? They probably didn't. The sister is six years older than the OP and the ex is eight years older. If they got married in their twenties, OP would have been in her teens and probably barely had a relationship with her sister's husband. Six years is a big gap. I don't see why you are adamant that the ex 'chose' OP's sister over OP. The age gap likely meant that he didn't see her that way at all.

....Or maybe he did - which is even more concerning.

Twoboysandabengal · Yesterday 21:38

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 21:36

I’m also old enough to have had plenty of life experience.
But I would never, in a million years, fuck my sisters ex husband, lie about it for a year, finally confess then expect it to be all hunky dory.
I love and respect my sister far too much to even contemplate it.

Congratulations to you!

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 21:41

Twoboysandabengal · Yesterday 21:38

Congratulations to you!

Thanks!
Very happy to have morals and family loyalty!

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 21:44

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thats the thing many people both male and female do get horny and do go at it like rabbits, or to quote sheldon cooper the dance with no pants so yes humans are like mammals and lets watch the discovery channel

BunnyLake · Yesterday 21:52

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 21:44

thats the thing many people both male and female do get horny and do go at it like rabbits, or to quote sheldon cooper the dance with no pants so yes humans are like mammals and lets watch the discovery channel

We’re not like mammals, we are mammals.

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 21:52

BunnyLake · Yesterday 21:52

We’re not like mammals, we are mammals.

fair points

Notkatie · Yesterday 21:56

Your sister at one time had feelings for him, so what if she does again can you really trust her ?

Twoboysandabengal · Yesterday 21:57

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 21:41

Thanks!
Very happy to have morals and family loyalty!

In your own La La land you may think you do my love. But in ‘real life’ you are probably far from having morals and loyalty 😉

KilkennyCats · Yesterday 21:58

Twoboysandabengal · Yesterday 21:57

In your own La La land you may think you do my love. But in ‘real life’ you are probably far from having morals and loyalty 😉

What does that even mean?

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 22:03

SharingMyOpinion · Yesterday 20:32

I’m pleased you’ve been talking to someone who can help you hear your own thinking on this.

I’m not suggesting the suggested propositions apply - but there is something that many people would find unusual here - around you now having sex with a brother-in-law - and his seeing or experiencing something familiar in you since he’d been having sex with and married to your sister. It’s like sex with a step sibling or former step parent. There’s a familial closeness that most wouldn’t step across the boundary of.

I appreciate your response - thank you.

Read it back - there is a lot of minimizing there. You haven’t owned it all yet. You haven’t integrated and accepted the story. I was travelling, I didn’t see him, it was ages ago etc.

Surely your position is - I am putting my happiness first and see no issue with having a relationship with my sisters ex husband - and I lied about it for a year. My happiness is paramount. That’s ok to own your own story - but minimizing what has happened means you’re not at ease with it. You want to suggest yours was a lesser offence. I am not suggesting it was an offence but you’re pretty unsettled about it.

I experienced the early loss of a partner in my 20s. It was shocking and heart rending. I’ve since sat with 4 people as they took their last breath. It taught me that life is short and to be careful of those we love - there are so few. So I leant into caring for my family and then in time had a family of my own.

Loss and life teaches us lots of things.

I am glad you’re continuing to see a counsellor. Bring up why you posted this thread and why now. That’s also interesting.

Why do I have to own anything on here ? Like I said if I put my every thought and feeling it’ll be pages and pages long. I’d be sat here for hours writing. Just because I haven’t put it on a public forum doesn’t mean I don’t feel it. I just don’t think I need to put my every thought. Some thoughts I’d like to keep to myself and my partner and sister.

OP posts:
Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 22:04

Notkatie · Yesterday 21:56

Your sister at one time had feelings for him, so what if she does again can you really trust her ?

Edited

She is married with children so that will be something she’d have to work out with her husband not me. Why would she have feelings for him it’s been quite sometime.

OP posts:
Rubes24 · Yesterday 22:07

Fair play to you for telling everyone- hopefully this guy really is the one and it ends up being worth it. In all honestly I couldnt be with anyone who my sister had even kissed let alone been married too! Tbf my sister and I are so defensive of each other we probably wouldnt have even been saying a friendly hello to an ex who dumped one of us!

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 22:08

Violinorbanjo · Yesterday 20:51

Well, very spicy OP but hey ho. Your lives, ride on

My favourite comment

OP posts:
Pugdogmom · Yesterday 22:10

I am glad you told your sister..hope it works out for you.

FoldItIn · Yesterday 22:10

Twoboysandabengal · Yesterday 21:37

Grow up please! Stop philosophizing and coming to daft conclusions about what people say and what they actually mean

It is rare that people say what they actually mean though isn't it?

Personally, I don't think Mumsnet is the best place to ask for advice on familial relationships. Romantic ones, absolutely.

There is no doubt in my mind that if this is true, there is something else at play here. Sibling dynamics can be complicated, I am not naive enough to think otherwise. I've been around too long and the fact is, it is unusual to sleep with, then continue to date, your sisters ex husband. Not ex boyfriend, husband.
Strangely, the OP herself seems to be invested into figuring out how she has ended up here (failed relationships, self sabotage etc) and that will not do her any harm, in fact it will only strengthen the relationships around her.
I am just trying to figure out why some posters are so fiercely defending it 🤔 wishing the best for OP and her family is one thing, but name calling and the childish attempts at manipulating others into thinking it is perfectly normal and happens all the time, is another. Strange.

Also, the posters telling the OP she only has one life, go for it. My family and my husbands family are incredible. I love each and every one of them with every fibre of my being. They are my people.
I could not and would not contemplate doing anything to hurt one of them or make others feel uncomfortable. That is life and a bloody good one. Imagine putting a bloke before that.

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 22:14

Snufkin88 · Yesterday 19:30

Good thing is right 🙄 there is a reason you posted about this . And that’s cos you know it is not right . Like an ex is one thing but ex-husband . Grim . Could you not find any other man or are you that desperate 🤮

I am that desperate

OP posts:
SharingMyOpinion · Yesterday 22:16

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 21:44

thats the thing many people both male and female do get horny and do go at it like rabbits, or to quote sheldon cooper the dance with no pants so yes humans are like mammals and lets watch the discovery channel

Yes - and as I said upthread lacking self awareness.

If people rut like mammals willy nilly that’s one thing - but if people want insight into their behaviour then they should pause…

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 22:17

Lecamping · Yesterday 20:40

I suppose the other thing that this might do OP is really test your & your sister’s relationship. Will it dredge up sibling rivalries? Will she see it this way? Are you the younger sister? Will it make her find you less trustworthy? You say he ended it with your sister so whilst she says they weren’t compatible is that how she’s come to terms with it? Ditching her & then choosing you, years later is still going to smart. If I were her I wouldn’t want to have anything to do with your & his relationship. Not out of spite just that it’s just a bit too close for comfort. I’d really keep your expectations re family contact & events realistic & be over considerate of her & your parents’ feelings over these. It may be easier to socialise with your parents & him separately. But it must feel weird for them seeing the person that ended the marriage with their first daughter now cracking on with their other one. Even if that divorce was for the best ultimately.

Why would my parents care ? It’s nothing to do with them they’re not going to disown me for it or cut me out. I speak to them everyday. They’re in their 70s I don’t think they’ve got the energy to be distressed.

OP posts:
Besafeeatcake · Yesterday 22:22

Twoboysandabengal · Yesterday 21:37

Grow up please! Stop philosophizing and coming to daft conclusions about what people say and what they actually mean

You start your message with grow up and think I should do so? People in glass houses….

Nothing daft abiut what I said. Nor did I philosophise. Nor did I confuse what they actually meant.

Piglet89 · Yesterday 22:23

LastOnePlease · Yesterday 20:57

Only on Mumsnet could you be accused of pearl clutching for not agreeing that the OP is being ‘brave’ in finally, after a year of lying, coming clean to her sister that she not only fucked her ex husband but has now been having a year long relationship with him…

In real life it’s not normal to want to have sex with your sisters ex partners. The majority of people would find that a very strange thing to do. He’s literally had sex with you and now your sister. The fact that it’s ‘Pearl clutching’ to point out that this isn’t normal behaviour is bizarre…

Absolutely. I’m an only child and even I know this is all shades of fucked up.

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