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Update: I told my family about my relationship with my sister's ex

370 replies

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 13:48

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

I honestly didn't expect my last thread to get as much attention as it did. I deleted the account but then thought to update. I read most of the responses, even the ones telling me I was an awful sister and those saying they'd never speak to me again if I were their sibling. Equally, I read the replies from people who thought life isn't always black and white and that happiness is complicated.
A lot of people said I needed to stop worrying about hypothetical reactions and actually tell my family. Quite a few also said that if I genuinely saw a future with him then keeping him hidden indefinitely wasn't fair on anyone, including him.
Well, I've done it.

I spoke to my sister, I went to her house and we had a proper conversation. I was absolutely terrified. I barely slept the night before because I had convinced myself this would be the end of our relationship as sisters.

I told her everything. I didn't try to minimise it or soften it. I was honest about the timeline because I knew it would be far worse if she later found out we'd actually been together for over a year after I'd implied it was something much more recent.

She was upset. Really upset and there were some long silences where neither of us knew what to say.The first thing she asked was whether there had been any overlap. I told her absolutely not. Their marriage had been over for 7 years before anything happened between us.She then asked whether I'd secretly had feelings for him while they were married or whether anything had ever happened before. Again, the answer was no. I did not even see him after the divorce when we met again last year by chance at the same event I genuinely thought we'd have a catch-up and that would be that.

She asked why we'd kept it secret for so long. The honest answer is that after we slept together we both assumed it had been a mistake that would go nowhere. After he messages me to see if I'd gotten home safe, we talked and we both agreed we had fun the night before. Then feelings developed, and every month that passed made it feel like a bigger and bigger conversation to have. She said she wished I'd told her sooner.I couldn't really argue with that because she's right.Then she asked me if I was actually happy with him I told her yes.

She was quiet for a while before saying they probably should never have got married because they simply weren't compatible. Looking back, she thinks they stayed together longer than they should have trying to make something work that never really did.She said she wants me to be happy. She isn't happy about the situation, and she's understandably hurt, but she wants me to be happy. She also said she just needs time to get used to it.
After that I spoke to my parents because I wanted them to hear it from me.
A lot of people on my last thread were convinced they'd disown me.
That honestly never crossed my mind. They're my parents. Why would they disown me? They might be disappointed by choices I've made but disappointment isn't the same as cutting your child out of your life forever. I found it quite odd how many people assumed that would be the automatic outcome.Both were shocked. But they also both said they want me to be happy. They know this isn't an ideal situation and they know people will have opinions, but they also know we're two adults who have found ourselves in a relationship.
I'm still invited to Christmas. Before anyone asks, no, I won't be taking him. I think that would be completely inappropriate this year and far too much to expect of everyone else. Maybe in a couple of years things will look different, maybe they won't, but I'm certainly not trying to force everyone into one happy blended family overnight.

One thing I do want to address is the comments about children because there seemed to be a lot of assumptions.

I'm 36. We've only been together just over a year and we're nowhere near the stage of trying for children. If our relationship progresses to marriage and we eventually decide we want to build a family together, I'll probably be around 40. I've already accepted that I may never have biological children and, genuinely, I'm okay with that. Knowing myself, I don't think I'd want to start trying at that point.

People also seemed to think I was being very blasé about adoption. I'm not. I've fostered children and, through that, I've had advice about the adoption process. I know it's lengthy, thorough and far from guaranteed. I only mentioned it because it's something I've always been open to if I wasn't able to have biological children. I'm not assuming it would simply happen.I appreciate people can only comment on what I write, but I can't possibly include every detail of my life, every conversation and every thought process in one Mumsnet post.

Nothing has magically been fixed. My sister isn't suddenly thrilled about this, and I don't expect her to be. There will probably be awkward moments for a long time yet.

I'm also not trying to convince anyone that ours is some once-in-a-lifetime, sacred love story that excuses everything else.What I am saying is much simpler than that.I love him.I'm happy.He makes me very happy.For the first time in my life I can genuinely see a future with someone.

Life is too fucking short to walk away from someone you love simply because other people think you should. I know plenty of people will disagree with that, and that's their right. Equally, I know some people will never think what we've done is acceptable.

I'm not looking for universal approval because I know I'm never going to get it.
I just wanted to update those who told me to stop hiding and have the difficult conversations.I did.Now we'll see where life takes us.

AIBU to pursue a future with my sister's ex-husband? | Mumsnet

I have gone back and forth about posting this because I know people will have strong opinions, but I genuinely don't know whether I've completely lost...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

OP posts:
Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 20:46

I have to ask OP, if it’s all so wonderful and amazing and the best thing ever, why have you been having therapy for the last 8 weeks to deal with it all?

DimwittedSkater · Yesterday 20:46

Ah, good luck to you, OP. Considering they were only married for two years many years ago, and there are no children, and your sister is happily re-married with three kids, I don't think this is quite the disaster others are making out.

I'm sure it must be weird for your sister, not necessarily because he's her ex - she has moved on - but having him back in her family. THAT must be very weird for her, the thought of him possibly being her BIL and the father to her potential nieces and nephews. If you two do marry and have kids, he'll be back in the fold with knobs on, and who wants their ex-husband to be back in the bosom of their family? But it doesn't sound like it was hugely acrimonious, so maybe everyone will get used to it. Hope her husband isn't the jealous type, as he'll have to deal with his wife's ex-husband being around, and possibly the dad to his children's cousins.

You know, time was, it was very common for people to marry their sibling's spouse if the sibling passed away. Back in the olden days.

On the pros list, at least your sister knows you are with essentially a good guy, someone who's not going to beat you up or cheat on you.

Your sister sounds like she was a bad partner. Frequent silent treatments are NOT OK and are commonly agreed among experts to be a sign of emotional abuse. I was in a marriage like that, and it was hell. If she wouldn't stop, even when he talked to her about it, then she deserved what she got. I really hope she's learned her lesson and has enough sense not to do that to her current husband. Good for her ex for not putting up with that long-term. It sounds as if you've got yourself the Holy Grail - a man who is actually a good communicator. You're 36, as you say. If he makes you as happy as you say, hang on to him. And put yourself and your own little unit first. Everyone else does on Mumsnet.

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 20:47

EightSteps · Yesterday 20:41

FFS.

Shall we just put the OP in the stocks now and be done with it?
Maybe stone her?
Or just get her to wear a scarlet letter?

OP, just ignore the pearl-clutchers, and go and be happy.

Nobody is pearl clutching.
Fucking your sisters ex husband is NOT normal, not in the real world anyway.
Would you do it?

DimwittedSkater · Yesterday 20:51

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 20:47

Nobody is pearl clutching.
Fucking your sisters ex husband is NOT normal, not in the real world anyway.
Would you do it?

Her set of circs is particular, though. Really short marriage with her sister, no kids, divorce was years ago, sister is happily re-married with three kids with her new husband. In this scenario, if the relationship makes OP truly happy, I think it's OK.

Good relationships are really hard to find. I'm in my fifties and still haven't found the one.

Violinorbanjo · Yesterday 20:51

Well, very spicy OP but hey ho. Your lives, ride on

EightSteps · Yesterday 20:53

Violinorbanjo · Yesterday 20:51

Well, very spicy OP but hey ho. Your lives, ride on

I think this is probably the best comment so far@😂

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 20:54

DimwittedSkater · Yesterday 20:51

Her set of circs is particular, though. Really short marriage with her sister, no kids, divorce was years ago, sister is happily re-married with three kids with her new husband. In this scenario, if the relationship makes OP truly happy, I think it's OK.

Good relationships are really hard to find. I'm in my fifties and still haven't found the one.

She never said how long their relationship was. All you know is they married and he ended it.

and no fucking your sisters ex the first chance you get is not normal/

EightSteps · Yesterday 20:54

@Ilovemychocolate

If they are happy, her sister is OK with it, the parents are open-minded and accepting, who are you to judge?

LastOnePlease · Yesterday 20:57

Only on Mumsnet could you be accused of pearl clutching for not agreeing that the OP is being ‘brave’ in finally, after a year of lying, coming clean to her sister that she not only fucked her ex husband but has now been having a year long relationship with him…

In real life it’s not normal to want to have sex with your sisters ex partners. The majority of people would find that a very strange thing to do. He’s literally had sex with you and now your sister. The fact that it’s ‘Pearl clutching’ to point out that this isn’t normal behaviour is bizarre…

BunnyLake · Yesterday 20:57

@Plumzingy1 Won’t he feel awkward at family events? I don’t have the right disposition to willingly put myself in, for me, high stress situations. Meeting up again with my former in-laws and being part of the inner circle again, so to speak, would just feel so awkward. But I am easily unnerved.

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 20:58

EightSteps · Yesterday 20:54

@Ilovemychocolate

If they are happy, her sister is OK with it, the parents are open-minded and accepting, who are you to judge?

You do realise she asked, right.

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 20:58

DimwittedSkater · Yesterday 20:51

Her set of circs is particular, though. Really short marriage with her sister, no kids, divorce was years ago, sister is happily re-married with three kids with her new husband. In this scenario, if the relationship makes OP truly happy, I think it's OK.

Good relationships are really hard to find. I'm in my fifties and still haven't found the one.

And the sister?
Just suck it up?
A year of being lied to, her ex husband potentially being her kids uncle if he marries her sister?
I would have a modicum of respect for OP if, after shagging him for the first time, she had actually let her sister know, and judged from her reaction then if this was going to be ok.
But no, she’s seen him for A YEAR, and now chooses to let her know.
Thats despicable.

Justthethingsthatyoudointhisgarden · Yesterday 20:58

Well done. They will all get over it. Live your lives and be happy.

BunnyLake · Yesterday 20:59

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 20:54

She never said how long their relationship was. All you know is they married and he ended it.

and no fucking your sisters ex the first chance you get is not normal/

Two years dating, two years married, divorced seven year’s ago.

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 21:00

EightSteps · Yesterday 20:54

@Ilovemychocolate

If they are happy, her sister is OK with it, the parents are open-minded and accepting, who are you to judge?

Hey, I am allowed my opinion, I think it’s absolutely gross, and a massive betrayal of her sister.
And time will tell if her sister actually is ok with it.

BunnyLake · Yesterday 21:01

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 20:58

And the sister?
Just suck it up?
A year of being lied to, her ex husband potentially being her kids uncle if he marries her sister?
I would have a modicum of respect for OP if, after shagging him for the first time, she had actually let her sister know, and judged from her reaction then if this was going to be ok.
But no, she’s seen him for A YEAR, and now chooses to let her know.
Thats despicable.

The ex husband becoming the kids uncle would mess with my head somewhat.

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 21:03

BunnyLake · Yesterday 21:01

The ex husband becoming the kids uncle would mess with my head somewhat.

Yeah but OP has said he’s got a massive dick, so that’s ok then 🤣

Imaginary86 · Yesterday 21:08

So weird and messed up but each to their own

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 21:10

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 21:03

Yeah but OP has said he’s got a massive dick, so that’s ok then 🤣

there have been previous theads on here about the woman not being fulfilled via her dh and the general mumsnet view was to split up, so in that case then why not get together because of a suitable sausage ?

EightSteps · Yesterday 21:11

I may have misunderstood, but I think the OP started this thread to give an update, not ask for judgment. I think she hot enough on the previous thread.

I'm not looking for universal approval because I know I'm never going to get it.
I just wanted to update those who told me to stop hiding and have the difficult conversations.I did. Now we'll see where life takes us.

She has admitted it's not ideal. I think we all agree on that. But piling on and making her out to be all kinds of depraved is equally not normal.

What satisfaction can you get from that? What do you expect to happen? She can't undo what's been done.

Life is rarely black and white. People make errors of judgment. Relationships are often messy, imperfect, or start that way.

I don't confone affairs either but there again things are not always black and white. Sometimes people fall in love with the 'wrong' person, others get hurt. It's sad, regrettable, but sometimes these are genuinely loving relationships. Neither party went looking for it, but it happens.

And no, I haven't had an affair. I'm just old enough and have lived enough to believe that most of us are just trying our best and don't usually aim to hurt our loved ones.

Beachtastic · Yesterday 21:12

SharingMyOpinion · Yesterday 20:35

How dare I?

Good question. Experience, confidence, anonymity, boredom, insight, having been there and done that, I’m her sister, I’m her parents, low self esteem, personality disorders. So many reasons, so little time.

Did I trigger something for you as your response to a strangers dilemma and another strangers answer on the answer was quite strong! This has brought something up for you.

Edited

Nope.

But I did have the delight of saying "How dare you!" for the very first time in years on MN, so thanks for that! 😁

Looloolullabelle · Yesterday 21:18

Op, go for it. You only get one life, do whatever makes you happy.

I don’t understand why people have such a problem with it. They were over a long time ago. If my sister got with any of my ex boyfriends it wouldn’t bother me, some of them were great guys and I’m still relatively friendly with most of them.

Life’s too short and I wish you every happiness x

DimwittedSkater · Yesterday 21:30

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 20:58

And the sister?
Just suck it up?
A year of being lied to, her ex husband potentially being her kids uncle if he marries her sister?
I would have a modicum of respect for OP if, after shagging him for the first time, she had actually let her sister know, and judged from her reaction then if this was going to be ok.
But no, she’s seen him for A YEAR, and now chooses to let her know.
Thats despicable.

Nah, I disagree. Life happens, it's messy. The sister is happily remarried with three children. It's not ideal, what's happened, but SHE doesn't want him. She wouldn't even speak to him when they were married. So yes, she should absolutely suck it up, for the sake of her sister's happiness.

SharingMyOpinion · Yesterday 21:30

Years on Mumsnet and my comment did for you??? 😂

Well that’s a surprise. The things I’ve seen 🤨.

TheWildZebra · Yesterday 21:30

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 20:46

I have to ask OP, if it’s all so wonderful and amazing and the best thing ever, why have you been having therapy for the last 8 weeks to deal with it all?

Yes and then the vipers nest of MN is the kick she finally needed to come out to her sister about this? All just quite odd imho.

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