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Update: I told my family about my relationship with my sister's ex

370 replies

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 13:48

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

I honestly didn't expect my last thread to get as much attention as it did. I deleted the account but then thought to update. I read most of the responses, even the ones telling me I was an awful sister and those saying they'd never speak to me again if I were their sibling. Equally, I read the replies from people who thought life isn't always black and white and that happiness is complicated.
A lot of people said I needed to stop worrying about hypothetical reactions and actually tell my family. Quite a few also said that if I genuinely saw a future with him then keeping him hidden indefinitely wasn't fair on anyone, including him.
Well, I've done it.

I spoke to my sister, I went to her house and we had a proper conversation. I was absolutely terrified. I barely slept the night before because I had convinced myself this would be the end of our relationship as sisters.

I told her everything. I didn't try to minimise it or soften it. I was honest about the timeline because I knew it would be far worse if she later found out we'd actually been together for over a year after I'd implied it was something much more recent.

She was upset. Really upset and there were some long silences where neither of us knew what to say.The first thing she asked was whether there had been any overlap. I told her absolutely not. Their marriage had been over for 7 years before anything happened between us.She then asked whether I'd secretly had feelings for him while they were married or whether anything had ever happened before. Again, the answer was no. I did not even see him after the divorce when we met again last year by chance at the same event I genuinely thought we'd have a catch-up and that would be that.

She asked why we'd kept it secret for so long. The honest answer is that after we slept together we both assumed it had been a mistake that would go nowhere. After he messages me to see if I'd gotten home safe, we talked and we both agreed we had fun the night before. Then feelings developed, and every month that passed made it feel like a bigger and bigger conversation to have. She said she wished I'd told her sooner.I couldn't really argue with that because she's right.Then she asked me if I was actually happy with him I told her yes.

She was quiet for a while before saying they probably should never have got married because they simply weren't compatible. Looking back, she thinks they stayed together longer than they should have trying to make something work that never really did.She said she wants me to be happy. She isn't happy about the situation, and she's understandably hurt, but she wants me to be happy. She also said she just needs time to get used to it.
After that I spoke to my parents because I wanted them to hear it from me.
A lot of people on my last thread were convinced they'd disown me.
That honestly never crossed my mind. They're my parents. Why would they disown me? They might be disappointed by choices I've made but disappointment isn't the same as cutting your child out of your life forever. I found it quite odd how many people assumed that would be the automatic outcome.Both were shocked. But they also both said they want me to be happy. They know this isn't an ideal situation and they know people will have opinions, but they also know we're two adults who have found ourselves in a relationship.
I'm still invited to Christmas. Before anyone asks, no, I won't be taking him. I think that would be completely inappropriate this year and far too much to expect of everyone else. Maybe in a couple of years things will look different, maybe they won't, but I'm certainly not trying to force everyone into one happy blended family overnight.

One thing I do want to address is the comments about children because there seemed to be a lot of assumptions.

I'm 36. We've only been together just over a year and we're nowhere near the stage of trying for children. If our relationship progresses to marriage and we eventually decide we want to build a family together, I'll probably be around 40. I've already accepted that I may never have biological children and, genuinely, I'm okay with that. Knowing myself, I don't think I'd want to start trying at that point.

People also seemed to think I was being very blasé about adoption. I'm not. I've fostered children and, through that, I've had advice about the adoption process. I know it's lengthy, thorough and far from guaranteed. I only mentioned it because it's something I've always been open to if I wasn't able to have biological children. I'm not assuming it would simply happen.I appreciate people can only comment on what I write, but I can't possibly include every detail of my life, every conversation and every thought process in one Mumsnet post.

Nothing has magically been fixed. My sister isn't suddenly thrilled about this, and I don't expect her to be. There will probably be awkward moments for a long time yet.

I'm also not trying to convince anyone that ours is some once-in-a-lifetime, sacred love story that excuses everything else.What I am saying is much simpler than that.I love him.I'm happy.He makes me very happy.For the first time in my life I can genuinely see a future with someone.

Life is too fucking short to walk away from someone you love simply because other people think you should. I know plenty of people will disagree with that, and that's their right. Equally, I know some people will never think what we've done is acceptable.

I'm not looking for universal approval because I know I'm never going to get it.
I just wanted to update those who told me to stop hiding and have the difficult conversations.I did.Now we'll see where life takes us.

AIBU to pursue a future with my sister's ex-husband? | Mumsnet

I have gone back and forth about posting this because I know people will have strong opinions, but I genuinely don't know whether I've completely lost...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5550068-aibu-to-pursue-a-future-with-my-sisters-ex-husband

OP posts:
Bringemout · Yesterday 19:33

Glad you were open with your sister, most important thing really. I’m trying to put my finger on why it makes me so uncomfortable, I think apart from the “had sex with my sister” thing is that if I saw my ex brother in law even if we had a good catch up it wouldn’t occur to me to have sex with him. I don’t think I would ever be drunk enough either. Him as well, if I bumped into Dh’s brother a few years after I divorced him I’d want to be polite and get out of there quickly tbh.

I have to be honest I’d assume you have some issue with your sister. I know thats a jump OP, sorry I’m not putting the boot in, it sounds like she’s happy and life has turned out well. I think I just can’t really understand this so to me it seems extremely odd. I’m probably just projecting y own feelings about this. I hope your relationship with your sister is ok after this, it’s done and the best you can hope for is everyone gets accustomed to it.

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 19:37

Snufkin88 · Yesterday 19:30

Good thing is right 🙄 there is a reason you posted about this . And that’s cos you know it is not right . Like an ex is one thing but ex-husband . Grim . Could you not find any other man or are you that desperate 🤮

but then again do you know the quality of men thats on the market ? why settle for a fish in the sea when the one in the net seems good

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 19:39

Bringemout · Yesterday 19:33

Glad you were open with your sister, most important thing really. I’m trying to put my finger on why it makes me so uncomfortable, I think apart from the “had sex with my sister” thing is that if I saw my ex brother in law even if we had a good catch up it wouldn’t occur to me to have sex with him. I don’t think I would ever be drunk enough either. Him as well, if I bumped into Dh’s brother a few years after I divorced him I’d want to be polite and get out of there quickly tbh.

I have to be honest I’d assume you have some issue with your sister. I know thats a jump OP, sorry I’m not putting the boot in, it sounds like she’s happy and life has turned out well. I think I just can’t really understand this so to me it seems extremely odd. I’m probably just projecting y own feelings about this. I hope your relationship with your sister is ok after this, it’s done and the best you can hope for is everyone gets accustomed to it.

but thats the thing and partly why situations like these happen, no one sets out to do the deed, but when its one thing that leads etc

its like affairs some people say i didnt mean to have an affair and yet they still happen

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 19:39

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 19:10

Agree I don’t expect them to be overjoyed yet. My parents would like to come over for dinner and they want him there….maybe it’s a plot but so far they seem accepting and want to see us together. It’ll be weird but they’re my parents they’ll always support me. I don’t think there’s ever been a moment in my life my parents haven’t supported my decisions their love is unconditional.

But time will tell maybe this will be the thing that breaks their unconditional love.

That’s just weird, especially as your sister needs time.

wheres jeremy Kyle when you need him.

SharingMyOpinion · Yesterday 19:40

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 19:30

but why would you need therapy , just to explain that you fallen in love which is natural but it just happened he also dated the sister first ?

‘Falling in love’ with someone verboten / forbidden love is something to be considered.

Of all the four billion men on the planet why this one - knowing the harm she causes to her relationship with her only sister.

‘Love’ isn’t an accident - it’s a sequence of actions to move towards one person. Reconfirming a verboten choice is curious.

TerrysCIockworkOrange · Yesterday 19:40

A good friend of mine is happily in a relationship with her best friends ex husband and in their case, there WERE kids involved. Like your sister, she had long since moved on and remarried by the time anything began between them. It was unbelievably weird for everyone at first, but it’s really not even a blip on the social radar anymore. You sound like you’ve got a good, communicative and supportive family all round, hopefully in the fullness of time this will just because a funny footnote to both you, your boyfriend and your sisters life stories

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 19:42

SharingMyOpinion · Yesterday 19:28

Have you ever had therapy to talk about this?

Of course you could be two people in true love and happiness and his 7 year relationship with your sister was the blip.

I am sure it’s all subconscious and neither of you seem very self aware. But there is something compelling here to be considered:

  • Like a dog marking his territory he came back to take something from your sister
  • You wanted to have something of hers
  • He wants to replicate the dynamic of the early days with you sister - you’re a do over for him. He’ll repair it this time.
  • He’s familiar with your dynamic, your upbringing, your parents. It’s a shorthand for you to accelerate the relationship.

There’s so much to wonder about. I hope you have some curiosity about your own inner life and his inner life.

There are 4 billion men on the planet. There were very few that were off limits in social terms. Male relations and a few people your sister had relationships with is about it. It’s hugely interesting that you had sex with this man and then continued a relationship.

Yeah I’ve been in counselling for 8 weeks in regards to this which is why I’ve decided to tell my sister. I’ve talked about this to a professional. I’m just coming off blasé on here because people are very judgmental yet my own family is fine and hasn’t exploded as of yet according to some my parents are supposed to disown me.

I think you’re thinking too much into it you don’t know him, you don’t know me, you don’t know the dynamics at place you can only infer. I barely knew him when he was with my sister, I was travelling, they have been separated longer then the length of their relationship and marriage put together, she has said herself they were never compatible and shouldn’t have married. She’s insisted he’s a wonderful guy and if it’s working why not just see how it goes.

Not everything is verbatim on here. if it was my post would be pages and pages long.

We are not the first to do this. He is also not something of hers and never was ? Neither is he something of mine. No one owns anyone and I personally do not believe anyone has a monopoly on anyone.

Regardless only time will tell. So far so good. We are happy and we both see a future. Maybe it’s doomed to fail but worth a try it’s been over a year now and things are now serious especially now as my family is aware. My parents are intrigued and they’d like to join us for a meal maybe that will not go so well, maybe it will. No one actually knows till it happens. I’m looking forward to it. They have not seen him in 7 years, they liked him as a person and wished him the best after the divorce. We just have to see how it plays out. For all I know the relationship could fail. It won’t be as bad as my previous relationships 1) engagement where I called it off a few weeks before the wedding 2) proposal where I said no because I didn’t feel like it and then he got upset and ended things even after I’d said many times I am not ready for marriage. 3) another proposal where I said no because same thing, men don’t seem to listen and think they can change my mind. Not sure why I have such bad luck ahaha. This is the first relationship in a while where I feel good and I can see a future and would like to try.

I will keep talking to my counsellor and see where this leads. I’ve been single for a while it’s nice to have someone who I like and I enjoy spending time with. Life is very fickle I lost my best friend to cancer not too long a go she was diagnosed and within a few months she passed away. Anything can happen at any point. My motto is to live life. She is the first friend I have lost and it really hurt she just wanted to live life and do whatever she wanted to do but in the end she didn’t get that chance.

OP posts:
Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 19:43

Backawayfromthesausage · Yesterday 19:39

That’s just weird, especially as your sister needs time.

wheres jeremy Kyle when you need him.

I went for lunch with my sister today. She seems fine, I just don’t think she wants him to be at the family events already that’ll take time that’s what she means.

OP posts:
Joliefolie · Yesterday 19:47

There is nothing wrong with dating your sister's ex-husband with her knowledge and consent. Having a secret year-long relationship is extremely shitty. If this is real (and it's not implausible), then I hope the new relationship you will have to now have with your sister works out for you both. I'm a bit confused by your assertion that you are a highly career-focused woman, single at the age of 35, who has already fostered children.... but maybe that's just my ignorance of the UK fostering situation these days.

Bethany83 · Yesterday 19:54

Good luck O.P. I wish you much happiness. There's also nothing wrong with having children with this man so I would get started soonish!

Blades2 · Yesterday 19:54

The internet is absolutely full of wrong uns and this thread may literally have the crown of it

0Thatsplenty0 · Yesterday 19:54

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · Yesterday 17:47

A one night stand at 36? Jesus wept. I got all that over with in my 20s.

I can’t talk though re your other part, as I’ve been engaged twice too. Wedding booked for first one.

Also, why post re your update? Who cares? You wouldn’t be posting if he ditched you and none of your family were speaking to you so it comes across as a tad smug and perfectly normal. Which it certainly isn’t.

I find it astonishing that there are adults out there who think other adults should live their lives the exact same way that they do, anything else is 'wrong' apparently.

SkinnyLatteExtraHotPlease · Yesterday 20:04

I hope you'll both be very, very happy ❤️

Ibrox · Yesterday 20:09

I think family get togethers are going to be wildly awkward. She either won't go, or you can't bring him. I I were him I wouldn't want to anyway, though.

LaughingCat · Yesterday 20:13

LastOnePlease · Yesterday 18:01

Isn’t it strange how not supporting this person willingly sleeping and then beginning a relationship with her sisters ex-husband is considered being uncool, unkind or wishing people unhappiness?

I think if you don’t have any internal value system navigating life must be very confusing. And many don’t clearly. Also I can only imagine what this man’s friends say…

Anyway, best of luck OP. You are very lucky to have the family you do. If this isn’t some weird attention seeking fantasy story…

Ahhhh…only just seen this thread but this comment stood out: “I think if you don’t have any internal value system navigating life must be very confusing. And many don’t clearly (sic)”

This has an assumption within it that your internal value system is the only one that is ‘right’ or ‘correct’.

That’s not true.

Everyone has their own code of conduct, their own principles that they live by. Each person’s is slightly different to everyone else’s. Overlaying this personal code are the morals of the society in which you were raised, which varies vastly by where, when and by whom you were raised.

Clearly, the OP is living by her own principles and trusting them to guide her. That’s patently obvious from her posts. It seems to be working out for her. You live by yours, which is equally fine. But don’t believe that you are the one arbiter of the truth - to others, some of your principles will seem strange too. But as long as your values work for you, that’s all that matters.

Edited a typo.

FoldItIn · Yesterday 20:14

The whinging commenters on here are embarrassing in their holier than thou shock horror over it. Well done on being happy and finding someone. They obviously haven’t.

While I haven't whinged, I think it is weird as fuck. I have been married to my husband, who has never had a relationship with, or shagged any of my relatives, for twenty years. We are happy and more importantly, content with kids, good families, jobs etc. I still think it's weird as fuck.
I do hope it works out for everyone though.

I'm also confused why you wrote 'well done'. Well done for what? What has the OP achieved?

Beachtastic · Yesterday 20:18

SharingMyOpinion · Yesterday 19:28

Have you ever had therapy to talk about this?

Of course you could be two people in true love and happiness and his 7 year relationship with your sister was the blip.

I am sure it’s all subconscious and neither of you seem very self aware. But there is something compelling here to be considered:

  • Like a dog marking his territory he came back to take something from your sister
  • You wanted to have something of hers
  • He wants to replicate the dynamic of the early days with you sister - you’re a do over for him. He’ll repair it this time.
  • He’s familiar with your dynamic, your upbringing, your parents. It’s a shorthand for you to accelerate the relationship.

There’s so much to wonder about. I hope you have some curiosity about your own inner life and his inner life.

There are 4 billion men on the planet. There were very few that were off limits in social terms. Male relations and a few people your sister had relationships with is about it. It’s hugely interesting that you had sex with this man and then continued a relationship.

Blimey!

How dare you say OP doesn't seem very self-aware?

This might be the most patronising post I've read in a while.

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 20:24

OP, I think the moral of the story here is that you should never ever come to Mumsnet with questions. Every thread ends up like this with some posters saying ‘yes it’s fine’ and other posters tripping over themselves to cast you as the worst person ever, with no ability to filter out what is right and proper (ie the exact way they would do things) from what is abhorrent (ie the way you are proposing to do things).

Go forth and multiply.

SharingMyOpinion · Yesterday 20:32

Plumzingy1 · Yesterday 19:42

Yeah I’ve been in counselling for 8 weeks in regards to this which is why I’ve decided to tell my sister. I’ve talked about this to a professional. I’m just coming off blasé on here because people are very judgmental yet my own family is fine and hasn’t exploded as of yet according to some my parents are supposed to disown me.

I think you’re thinking too much into it you don’t know him, you don’t know me, you don’t know the dynamics at place you can only infer. I barely knew him when he was with my sister, I was travelling, they have been separated longer then the length of their relationship and marriage put together, she has said herself they were never compatible and shouldn’t have married. She’s insisted he’s a wonderful guy and if it’s working why not just see how it goes.

Not everything is verbatim on here. if it was my post would be pages and pages long.

We are not the first to do this. He is also not something of hers and never was ? Neither is he something of mine. No one owns anyone and I personally do not believe anyone has a monopoly on anyone.

Regardless only time will tell. So far so good. We are happy and we both see a future. Maybe it’s doomed to fail but worth a try it’s been over a year now and things are now serious especially now as my family is aware. My parents are intrigued and they’d like to join us for a meal maybe that will not go so well, maybe it will. No one actually knows till it happens. I’m looking forward to it. They have not seen him in 7 years, they liked him as a person and wished him the best after the divorce. We just have to see how it plays out. For all I know the relationship could fail. It won’t be as bad as my previous relationships 1) engagement where I called it off a few weeks before the wedding 2) proposal where I said no because I didn’t feel like it and then he got upset and ended things even after I’d said many times I am not ready for marriage. 3) another proposal where I said no because same thing, men don’t seem to listen and think they can change my mind. Not sure why I have such bad luck ahaha. This is the first relationship in a while where I feel good and I can see a future and would like to try.

I will keep talking to my counsellor and see where this leads. I’ve been single for a while it’s nice to have someone who I like and I enjoy spending time with. Life is very fickle I lost my best friend to cancer not too long a go she was diagnosed and within a few months she passed away. Anything can happen at any point. My motto is to live life. She is the first friend I have lost and it really hurt she just wanted to live life and do whatever she wanted to do but in the end she didn’t get that chance.

I’m pleased you’ve been talking to someone who can help you hear your own thinking on this.

I’m not suggesting the suggested propositions apply - but there is something that many people would find unusual here - around you now having sex with a brother-in-law - and his seeing or experiencing something familiar in you since he’d been having sex with and married to your sister. It’s like sex with a step sibling or former step parent. There’s a familial closeness that most wouldn’t step across the boundary of.

I appreciate your response - thank you.

Read it back - there is a lot of minimizing there. You haven’t owned it all yet. You haven’t integrated and accepted the story. I was travelling, I didn’t see him, it was ages ago etc.

Surely your position is - I am putting my happiness first and see no issue with having a relationship with my sisters ex husband - and I lied about it for a year. My happiness is paramount. That’s ok to own your own story - but minimizing what has happened means you’re not at ease with it. You want to suggest yours was a lesser offence. I am not suggesting it was an offence but you’re pretty unsettled about it.

I experienced the early loss of a partner in my 20s. It was shocking and heart rending. I’ve since sat with 4 people as they took their last breath. It taught me that life is short and to be careful of those we love - there are so few. So I leant into caring for my family and then in time had a family of my own.

Loss and life teaches us lots of things.

I am glad you’re continuing to see a counsellor. Bring up why you posted this thread and why now. That’s also interesting.

SharingMyOpinion · Yesterday 20:35

Beachtastic · Yesterday 20:18

Blimey!

How dare you say OP doesn't seem very self-aware?

This might be the most patronising post I've read in a while.

How dare I?

Good question. Experience, confidence, anonymity, boredom, insight, having been there and done that, I’m her sister, I’m her parents, low self esteem, personality disorders. So many reasons, so little time.

Did I trigger something for you as your response to a strangers dilemma and another strangers answer on the answer was quite strong! This has brought something up for you.

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 20:37

SharingMyOpinion · Yesterday 19:40

‘Falling in love’ with someone verboten / forbidden love is something to be considered.

Of all the four billion men on the planet why this one - knowing the harm she causes to her relationship with her only sister.

‘Love’ isn’t an accident - it’s a sequence of actions to move towards one person. Reconfirming a verboten choice is curious.

but your forgetting the biochemical reactions in the human brain that also lead to the feelings of love, and to answer when you find a suitable mate then why waste years just because another family member got this one first afterall marriage and monogamy etc are all human made concepts

Ilovemychocolate · Yesterday 20:39

Bringemout · Yesterday 19:33

Glad you were open with your sister, most important thing really. I’m trying to put my finger on why it makes me so uncomfortable, I think apart from the “had sex with my sister” thing is that if I saw my ex brother in law even if we had a good catch up it wouldn’t occur to me to have sex with him. I don’t think I would ever be drunk enough either. Him as well, if I bumped into Dh’s brother a few years after I divorced him I’d want to be polite and get out of there quickly tbh.

I have to be honest I’d assume you have some issue with your sister. I know thats a jump OP, sorry I’m not putting the boot in, it sounds like she’s happy and life has turned out well. I think I just can’t really understand this so to me it seems extremely odd. I’m probably just projecting y own feelings about this. I hope your relationship with your sister is ok after this, it’s done and the best you can hope for is everyone gets accustomed to it.

Open…after a year of seeing him in secret 🤣

Lecamping · Yesterday 20:40

I suppose the other thing that this might do OP is really test your & your sister’s relationship. Will it dredge up sibling rivalries? Will she see it this way? Are you the younger sister? Will it make her find you less trustworthy? You say he ended it with your sister so whilst she says they weren’t compatible is that how she’s come to terms with it? Ditching her & then choosing you, years later is still going to smart. If I were her I wouldn’t want to have anything to do with your & his relationship. Not out of spite just that it’s just a bit too close for comfort. I’d really keep your expectations re family contact & events realistic & be over considerate of her & your parents’ feelings over these. It may be easier to socialise with your parents & him separately. But it must feel weird for them seeing the person that ended the marriage with their first daughter now cracking on with their other one. Even if that divorce was for the best ultimately.

EightSteps · Yesterday 20:41

FFS.

Shall we just put the OP in the stocks now and be done with it?
Maybe stone her?
Or just get her to wear a scarlet letter?

OP, just ignore the pearl-clutchers, and go and be happy.

Mumtobabyhavoc · Yesterday 20:45

You deserve credit for coming clean and being truthful.
Telling the truth, all of it, shows character.
Good luck to all of you. 💐👏

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