Decoy Wedding?!

[McSteamyorMcdreamy]

Apologies I haven't gone through any individual topic to see if there are threads.

But with all the shit in the world going on, and true escapism is anyone else thoroughly excited about the "potential" TS/TK nuptials?

I find I'm far too invested! Pathetic to be so interested? Very possibly but I don't care!

Again apologies if there's already something going... If there is can someone share!

Oh my. The thatcher argument is really scraping the barrel.

For someone who seems very proud of being too intellectual to like Taylor Swift, it's interesting that you are either too slow or too stubborn to hear MOST OF TAYLOR SWIFT'S SONGS ARE NOT ABOUT HER EXES. It's pretty simple, so I'm not sure why you're struggling unless you have language comprehension difficulties? I assumed that you thought that because you were speaking about her music without actually listening to it, but maybe you have and just aren't capable of comprehending it.

I'm very amused that you've used young children dressing up as a Disney princess as some kind of superiority flex.

There are many scholarly articles out there on the benefits of music for children's cognitive and emotional development, by the way.

I find it irritating that you’re making shit up. Which is what you’re doing.
I have not claimed that I think she is a feminist icon. You’ve made that up.

My issue isn’t that you are making those comments about TS specifically. I would have an issue with you making that comments about any female artist. I challenge misogyny and sexism wherever I see it.

The only TS specific criticism I take issue with are the ones that are factually incorrect. That’s because I also can’t abide liars.

And a fairytale wedding is most definitely not feminist.

What exactly is non-feminist about a fairytale wedding? The aesthetics? Getting married in the first place?

I thought the whole point of feminism was to allow women autonomy over their own lives - or is that only if they make choices that certain other women agree with?

How can it be misogyny and sexism if I apply it equally to both sexes?

Please explain.

@MickyMoonshine is it not permissable to say that a person writes vacuous pop songs if they're female?

Oops three posts in a row. Hit post too soon.
Anyway, @MickyMoonshine misogyny means a prejudice against women and girls.
I honestly don't see it as a prejudice if I apply the "same criticisms towards men as I do women.
There is no prejudice involved. I am not favouring one over the other.
So frankly I don't know what the heck you're going on about.

Because the of the historical use of that language towards women and how it’s typically used put women down.
How often do men get criticised for dressing for the female gaze?
How often do men get criticised for writing vacuous songs about relationships?

You claim to insult male and female artists equally but society historically doesn’t. Therefore when you use typically sexist and misogynistic insults towards a women, you shouldn’t be surprised if that is challenged.

Why say that at all? Can’t you just say it’s not to your taste? Why do you need to use a derogatory word to describe something?

If I used a racist insult to someone but didn’t intend it in a racist way and claim use that particular phrase towards people of all races and ethnicities would that be okay in your book?

The thing about being ND is that the world has never felt like it revolved around me. And that’s fine.

However this kind of shit being brought into the classroom is clearly to appeal directly to a section of the class and therefore excluding the rest of them. Why are their interests any more relevant?

But that happens all the time. There will be another lesson at some point which will appeal to a different group.
I’ve seen dozens of lessons framed around the World Cup. That won’t appeal to everyone. As long as it doesn’t dominate the whole curriculum it’s not a problem. It’s a one off lesson.

Yes pre-teen/teens obsessing over pop stars is completely normal.

Anyone outside of about 8-16 being obsessed with them as people is bizarre. There are plenty of artists I like and admire, but obsessing about their wedding, what they might wear, the venue etc is bizarre.

Some little girls may like singing and dancing along to it (because it’s always nice for them to sing about how someone’s relationship has gone to shit yet again) but why does the fact she’s getting married have to be relevant to them?

If everyone’s interests were taken into account at some point I would agree. But the TS based lesson was done because the teacher is a TS fan.

I kind of get using actual events like the WC, and events that are going to be part of history, but a wedding of a pop star? Come on now.

It was a lesson on phonics. Those children will need to learn those sounds regardless. The curriculum hadn’t been changed, content wasn’t omitted or added.

You’re making this into a much bigger deal than it needs to be. It was probably about 20 mins out of the whole day!

Oh behave yourself. You clearly have no idea of a) what makes good teaching and b) despite your protestations, she is hugely significant. I get you don't like that.

Culturally significant? Okay.

How is her wedding significant to anyone?

This is not about history. This is about MY view in the present day.

In any case you are incorrect, The Beatles were accused of writing vacuous songs in the sixties by other men.
Men have always criticised other men's choices in music.
You think that a classical music loving man doesn't look down on a man who likes rock music's tastes?
My dh's dad always said to my dh 'what. on earth is this nonsense you're listening to, son' when he listened to Black Sabbath in a very sneery way.

You can of course challenge things.

But when somebody says 'hey you know I'm equally scathing about male songwriters' which I AM - you just won't accept it.

I think you'll find that the word vacuous has been applied about music made by men by other men too.

Whispering Bob Harris sneering about the New York Dolls for example.

There is nothing wrong with using the word 'vacuous' and I shall continue to use it regardless if the songwriter is male or female.

The cultural significance of her has already been patiently explained to you multiple times. You dont like it. That's fine. Doesn't make it not true. Carry on shouting into the wind about it if you'd like to.

Eh? Are you suggesting that nobody can use the word vacuous in relation to a female artist's songwriting now?
Bloody hell.

I'm done with this crap now. Sorry.

Do you promise?

Not sure who that was to but what is culturally significant about her wedding? Perhaps someone could explain?

You know if you quote a post that you are replying to, it may make more sense?

God you really are quite relentlessly unpleasant aren't you? Hidden in passive aggressive sentences etc.