Decoy Wedding?!

[McSteamyorMcdreamy]

Apologies I haven't gone through any individual topic to see if there are threads.

But with all the shit in the world going on, and true escapism is anyone else thoroughly excited about the "potential" TS/TK nuptials?

I find I'm far too invested! Pathetic to be so interested? Very possibly but I don't care!

Again apologies if there's already something going... If there is can someone share!

The yellow Dior handbag was part of the Toy Story egging. She wore it with a blue dress and tan sandals. And it was a horrible outfit, just so you don’t think I can’t be objective 🤣

Dior doesn’t make even the top 5 designers she wears most often. (I had to Google that. You could have too.)

(Oops, three posts in a row. The Swifties are having a lie in this morning… I’ll pop over to S&B and see if anyone needs help finding a frock…)

There seems to me to that the adult female swifties fall roughly into two categories:

1, Easy going women who enjoy a bit of pop music.
I don't share this view but fair enough.
They don't lecture others.

2, Women who hold her up as some feminist icon.
Now this I really do not get.
She's not a feminist, she's an individualist.
She is only a feminist if you see being able to earn a ton of money as feminist.
In which case Elon Musk is a feminist. Go fight for the sisterhood, Elon.

Because there's nothing else I can detect about her that places her as the next Germaine Greer.
Vacuous songs about her exes, a fairytale wedding.
Writing dross innuendo about Travis' penis size.

And a fairytale wedding is most definitely not feminist.
Nor is fawning over a dress.

Women in the second category are, I think, mistaking individualism for feminism.
Now of course while there's nothing inherently wrong with women having choices - in fact as a woman it's great-it does not automatically make every choice a feminist one.

The first type of fan I can cope with. I'll just politely disagree. Say it's not my taste.
The second not so much because should you make a slight criticism of their numero uno Feminist Goddess you'll be accused as misogynist of 'internalised misogyny' or some such crap.

(By the way, music cannot be objectively brilliant.)

The yellow Dior bag she wore a few months ago was specifically a J Anderson bag from Dior. That is, the same J Anderson @ Dior who's created her wedding dress. (I had to Google that. You could have too.)

I think that amount of awards moves it into ‘objectively’ territory, @QuintadosMalvados, away from subjective persona taste level.

’Wood’ is absolutely a terrible song and I said as much on the LOAS thread when the album came out. I mentioned other missteps. She’s prolific; sometimes she needs an editor!

I do see TS as an active feminist, thanks to her work to change commercial structures in the music business. She gives support-act opportunities to female artists which raise their profile hugely. No, she’s not advancing gender rights via the influential thought leadership of first- and second-wave feminist writers and activists. I believe she’s still playing a part in role modelling hard work and business acumen; some presentations of which wouldn’t stand up to the challenge of ‘feminist’ taken in isolation.

She had her publicist send out an email blast during the reception with details about the day. I'm sure they could have managed a photo at the same time. She has a massive and very, very loyal fan base who support her in everything she does and would have been on tenterhooks. She's obviously going to release a bunch of material about this wedding at some point, so why not put all the devoted Swifties out of their misery by letting them see the dress? She might have known that they would be breathless with anticipation, and I think it's mean of her to let them wait. I've lost interest now as I'm not a Swiftie, just someone who likes a bunch of her songs, so I just had a passing interest bc of all the fuss. But I'm sure her fan army would still like to see.

I don’t think you understand what feminism is.

Feminism can be all of those things you describe. You can be a feminist who fights for equality for women but also likes /wants a fairytale wedding.
You can be a feminist and take an interest in fashion, celebrity lifestyle and call out misogyny and sexism when you see it.

I’m a feminist, I research and write about feminism and support women to strive for equality as part of my job. I also like fashion, pop music, wearing pink, getting my nails done etc. That doesn’t stop me being a feminist.

I couldn’t care less whether you’re a fan of hers or not, really I don’t care. But your comments are distinctly anti feminist and in my opinion misogynistic. They’re also factually incorrect. That’s what I have an issue with.

You describe her songs as vacuous - very rarely do we hear men described as vacuous. That’s what makes it misogynistic whether that was your intention or not. The number of awards she’s received would suggest her music is far from vacuous.

You criticise her for writing songs about her ex’s - again plenty of men do this but I never see them criticised for it. Plus you’ve ignored the many posters who’ve pointed out she also writes songs about other topics and there are whole albums which don’t feature a song about an ex. But invites that didn’t fit your narrative.

You criticise what she’s wearing. Again, that’s misogyny 101. It’s common knowledge that women are scrutinised and judged by their appearance in a way that men never are. That’s what makes it misogynistic.

Your categorisation of her fans is also incorrect. Shes not my favourite artist by a long shot and genuinely don’t care if someone doesn’t like her or her music. But you didn’t just say that. You decided to use well worn out misogynistic comments and attempted to belittle her fans. That’s certainly not feminism.

Sigh. Did I not also post that she never eggs her personal life; she drops only music-related clues?

Well, she sure Easter-egged her wedding dress designer. She wore a couple of J Anderson bags in the last few months.

She is going to release wedding material at some point anyway, so I don't know why she would make the Swifties wait, especially considering she must know they're all on tenterhooks.

Sigh. She Easter-egged her wedding dress designer. I'm not sure how much clearer I could be. I can write it in Latin if that would help?

I agree with this. Some posters here can't reconcile their love of Hello and fairytale weddings and their political correctness.

You're a fan. You want a picture of her in her dress.
That makes sense.

I never did Latin; they didn’t offer it in my series of under-performing comprehensive schools but use it as another way to belittle me, for sure. I’ll chair the Board meeting on Tuesday in Latin just for you.

It is not possible to decode handbags (I really should get up and stop wasting my Sunday talking about fucking HANDBAGS) as an egg for her wedding dress when she herself has explicitly stated that she doesn’t egg her personal life. You’re reading Swiftie fan clowning speculation and falling for it.

I'm by no means a fan or a Swiftie, but I do appreciate the fact that she stands ten toes down on not having the Kardashians anywhere near her. It's nice to see a huge celebrity gathering and not a Kardashian in sight.

I’ve never bought a copy of hello in my life.
It’s not political correctness to say that I’m sure she’ll release a photo when she’s ready. Of course her fans want to see it but they can’t demand she does it on their timescale!

Are you aware of the TS/Kanye West/Kim Kardashian falsified phone call or was that a coincidental reference?!

I wasn't really aware of it, no. I dimly remember something along those lines.

It would make sense if you had.
It is after all chockful of celebrity wedding photos.
Or maybe not Hello but the American version.

It's a fair assumption that those who love celeb culture - as you seem to do because what is Taylor Swift if not one of THE biggest celebs on the planet- have bought it.

But then my feminist icons of the present day are the likes of Sandra Peggie, the Darlington nurses and JKR who have taken on the trans lobby. Not Taylor Swift.
JKR now she's a celeb worth wearing on a t-shirt.

And that wonderful Kellie Jay Keen.
What a woman.

But what do I know? I am a terrible misogynist after all. 😁 (sarcasm, obvs)

I don't misunderstand it, you do.

@MickyMoonshine I don't care if you like Taylor Swift, either.
What is irritating, though, is the way you're trying to shoehorn her as a feminist icon.
Just because she's an ace business woman and writes popular songs doesn't make her a feminist.
Because really those are the only two things you know about her.

You're projecting all this feminist stuff onto her onto her. Why?
Just say you like her music.
People like you always have to justify things though with your own views to the point where anybody who disagrees gets shut down.

And yet still you continue to force a point based on factual inaccuracies which have been pointed out to you.

It's so weird.

You seem to struggle with understanding that people are complex and multi faceted.
I have a passing interest in some celebrity culture but not enough to buy magazines about it.
I like TS but I’m not a super fan ( as I’ve says multiple times) and have never bought a publication or any related merchandise. I like her music and might pop it on in the car or on the gym if I’m in the mood.

I’ve never declared TS a feminist icon. Not once. You’ve decided that’s how I think because you make assumptions about people based on their taste in music.

I’m a huge fan of JKR and have spent money on supporting her and her many cause and campaigns. I have attended women’s rights events - even those that could cause me issues at work as being gender critical can historically caused issues in universities.
My entire career has been focused on supporting women’s career development.

But also happen to like TS and occasionally looking at celebrity wedding dresses online. Go figure

I’ve never said she’s a feminist icon. You’ve made that bit up. That’s bloody irritating.

I’m not the one who thinks looking a celebrity wedding dress means you can’t be a feminist 🙄

She knows the type 😁

Well to be honest I think that it can be reasonably argued that the traditional wedding gown and traditional weddings themselves are indeed symbols of patriarchal oppression but that's by the by.

You did make this into a gender issue by saying I was a misogynist because I wouldn't direct any criticisms I made towards TS towards men.
Which I bloody well would and, in fact, do.
I think Take That look ridiculous. I think Jagger looks ridiculous prancing around the stage like he's 20. Ed Sheeran writes vacuous pop songs.

Ozzy dressed as he did on stage when he was well past it.
The Rolling Stones still presenting themselves as hip.

So maybe I'm not a nice person for these observations but I'm an equal opportunities offender.

I don't think she's great, anyway.
Admirable for her business skills. Does make great popular music (after all 'pop' is short for popular) that I don't like at all.

So you're irritated by me. Well so what?
You have irritated me too.

And while this may not apply to you, there is very much a tendency to describe her as a feminist icon.

Like some did in the eighties about Thatcher because she admittedly was very feisty and a go-getter.
Yeah trying telling that to the women whose lives were made hell in the eighties by shutting down the coal mines.