I didn’t realise Starmer was viewed so badly ,,

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He came into government at a challenging time - I didn’t realise his confidence score was so so The fatal flaw that brought Keir Starmer crashing down to earth

https://www.thetimes.com/article/8e98de80-1d48-4d1a-8408-ff4d48e1957c?shareToken=44bb913634621653058dd12f864e3eff

I was a lifelong Labour supporter and what really pissed me off about Keir Starmer was the way he was happy to immediately start gunning for disabled people as soon as he took office. I did not vote for that and my own MP said he wasn’t in agreement with it either.

I think he’s another one of those people that isn’t really a creature of the Labour Party, much like Tony Blair.

People don't like his flip flopping around. He is the king of U turns.

Agree with the above posters. I’ll be glad to see the back of him.

Yeah agree with this and also older people. They made some really shit decisions in the first six-ish month's that ruined them I’m afraid. Ditto removing the whip from MPs who wanted the two child cap removing before removing the cap a few months later anyway… It’s just shoddy.

Unfortunately this is UK politics now. The same will happen to Burnham and the next guy and the next....

So much instability is awful. Thr media and general public love the pantomime of it all and drama. So here we go again....

Agree.

I liked him. Hes disappointed me with gunning for the very people who Labour should champion. Its doesnt affect me as such but I wanted Labour because I thought they cared!

Secondly, hes great at knowing the brief and I think he works hard, but his communication to us of the achievements he has actually made fall like a dead squib. I dont want a clown back but I like a PM with a bit of ooompf. Im not a Rayner fan, but do like Burnham. However both of these have that commuication style you can hear - even if you dont like the message.

I agree Capt Flip - Flop is useless, but would his replacements be any better?
Andy Burnham made no impact in Westminster last time he was there. I think some good things have happened in Manchester, like the transport network, but was he just the front man for this with other people around him actually getting the job done?
Angela Rayner just appears to be a grifter who tries to get away with stuff and then brazens it out when she gets caught.
Not an impressive choice of candidates. None of them seem to have the integrity, intelligence and charisma that we need from a Leader.

He is doing a better job of leading than Boris so it could be worse.

However, the conservatives had set a very low bar. He’s better than them, however, they left him with some very difficult policies to unpick. He probably hasn’t got them all right but no leadership ever gets everything right.

He has stood up to Trump on certain things - I don’t think any conservative leader would have done that.

He seemed popular on Mumsnet until about a month ago and now everyone seems to despise him. I don't know why. He u-turns less than Burnham!

He's going to be shortest running Labour PM in history (Ramsay Macdonald actually had a shorter term but he came back as PM a few years later). Looks like he's going to resign tomorrow.

I hope Labour know what they're doing getting rid of him then.

It didn't exactly work out well for the Tories when they got rid of Boris did it.

I have just stopped believing anything politics-related on Mumsnet. Not all the threads are started by people with a vested interest but very many do seem to be thinly disguised agitprop. The internet has doomed democracy.

Unfortunately this is UK politics now. The same will happen to Burnham and the next guy and the next....

So much instability is awful. Thr media and general public love the pantomime of it all and drama. So here we go again....

I totally agree. The uk is in huge debt. The cuts and lack of investment over the last decade or so have been too harsh and brexit is going to harm future prospects. The public's expectations of what a goverment can achieve is too high. Then they pin the blame on one person. Also politics is so toxic now that the talent pool is getting smaller.

Is there one magical person out there? A moral person who doesn't mind the aggression and venom and is politically talented enough to reverse the fortunes of an entire country. So that everyone from foreign media owners to those in poverty pretty much appreciate them.

I don't think so. This will just keep on happening until a PM that the right-wing press like enough is voted in. Then it may stop.

When he started mealy mouthing over what a woman was whilst being married to, I assume, a woman! It was an immediate no.

I read that piece earlier and it’s brilliant. If you follow politics it’s been clear for a long time how unpopular he is and the reasons why. There outlined well in the article. When football stadiums ring out with “Keir Starmer’s a wanker” it’s over.

The bloated welfare system needs overhauling but Starmer backed out of that. The NHS needs reforming but no government will have the balls. No incentive for growth, businesses closing, no coherent housing plans. I despair, and Andy Burnham won't be any better. I like Kemi Badenoch but she's got a long way to go before the Conservatives are electable again.

I'm not that into the finer details of politics so could be wrong but my understanding of his landslide election was that it wasn't as much a landslide as we are lead to believe. The turnout of voters wasn't great and actually more people had voted for Corbyn when he stood and lost than Starmer when he won. That is not a great look.

Then he went on to attack the weakest in society, the disabled and the pensioners. Then he hit the lower paid workers and smaller businesses. I still don't know where all that money got channelled to except the lifting of the 2 child benefit cap and MPs back pockets.

Nearly every thing he has said he'll do/or his cabinet he has backtracked on. Now it's coming out that the net zero policy they are pushing isn't what it says it is. They are coming across as expensive conmen instead of being the workers friend.

there has been much criticism of him on the news
i wonder what wes streeting would be like
andy burnham apparently is too left wing so i hear

We need to ask ourselves who the instability which has characterised UK politics in the last decade serves. Sure, people are irritated by anything from major policy cock-ups to minor flaws of personal presentation in leaders, but what's new is the momentum which builds and persists and leads to irreconcilable stand-offs and inevitable leadership change. The massive effort and energy spent on this could so easily be poured into constructive politics. What really baffles me is how the next hopeful in line thinks it's going to be any different for them.

I'm always curious about what former PMs actually spend their annual £115,000 post-PM allowance on, though. I get that it's meant for maintaining an office and staff of sorts, but really?

I think Starmer should have stood firm on means testing the WFP, it was the correct decision and backing down made him seem weak and then he was under pressure over every decision. We do need to overhaul the benefits system, it has become bloated and exploited, but the backbench Labour MPs will never let it happen. I don't see how Burnham will fare any better.

Football fans are also known for racist/misogynistic/homophobic chants - a true barometer of the nation or just dumb dickheads?

Yes, but this is down to their failure to actually deal with issues. Instead they just try to look good to various interest groups. And see communication as an alternative to doing the important stuff.

The fundamental issue is that there is no agreement as to whether the UK should be a high(er) tax, high public spending welfare focussed state with next to no defence capacity.

Or a smaller state with more personal freedom and responsibility with lower taxes, lower spending where the government's job is to maintain defence and law and order and regulation but otherwise get out of people's way.

The former is where we are heading but it's totally unaffordable unless taxes go up hugely.

And if taxes do go up hugely it depresses the economy and wealth creators leave the country leading to a spiral of decline.

So the second option is the way it has to be if we want to avoid a permanently worsening economy.

And everything else with respect to life largely flows from the success of the economy.

Labour voter here.

He’s been a massive disappointment as has the government more widely.

I expected calm, intelligent, focussed leadership with direction. Instead he’s just beset of dithering, self-inflicted own goals, and constant flip flopping.

Like the winter fuel policy. Whatever you think of the proposal, it’s unclear how they ever thought it would play out well - I just wouldn’t have gone there. But if you do go there, stick with it, show some backbone and direction.

They’ve done some good things but seem incapable of bigging them up and showing them to the public.

I don’t sense there’s any wider vision or direction or any of the big radical ideas we need to sort out the many problems they face.

Agreed - but Burnham has been even worse.

He campaigned for self ID but now seems to have totally backtracked on that, a bit like his support of almost everything else he once believed in, like him voting for the Iraq War.

Who on earth would want to be prime minister of this country at the moment? I hope someone can come along and steady the ship but it's an unenviable task.

Nearly every thing he has said he'll do/or his cabinet he has backtracked on. Now it's coming out that the net zero policy they are pushing isn't what it says it is. They are coming across as expensive conmen instead of being the workers friend.

This is not true. Unfortuantely, it is only the negatives that have been highlighted.

Google or chatgpt the u turns made by Starmer versus the decisions/legislation made. The ratio is very different to what has been reported.

I would have thought MN would have been delighted with the legislation to end gazumping. To give one example. Also, with the employment rights act, they have hugely strengthened protections for workers.

Lots of things have been going on in the background. Yet, "Starmer is a wanker" is what is reported. Why? Hmmmm....