If you support Reform, Restore, Greens and similar far right/left parties

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How do you feel about the fact that your support is being whipped up by Russia, in concerted attacks, for the specific purpose of sowing division and political instability in Britain? Is this giving you any pause for thought? Do you think you will go back to supporting traditional parties?

Do you think the party you support has a strong platform to defend the country against clear and present danger from very powerful nations which are taking active measures to harm us? Or put another way, are you prepared to entertain the very real possibility that the party you support is propped up by foreign influence and money that are actually using you as pawns in a political game that will destroy all of us, including yourself?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8r2l352z2do

Popcorn ... the pleb equivalent of fiddling while Rome burns..... sweet or salty?.....

The BBC isn't perfect. But the fact people are choosing outlets such as GB news over it owned by 2 billionaires with vested interests in getting a very right wing party in. So that they can change the tax rules to make them even richer.
Or the unregulated SM platforms like FB, insta and X. Which have paid content by Russia to bring divisive politics here.
Russia have been using propoganda for over a hundred years. The internet with its algorithms is perfect for seeking out the disillusioned and feeding them with reaffirming stories. Stoking hatred.

No I don’t. Do you have any evidence they are?

Or because they believe a right wing party is what the country needs as a whole. GB News is available for those similar people. I agree with @CornishDaughteroftheDawn Starmer is the one stoking division. We don't need outsiders to be doing the job he's capable of. I'm more concerned at what's going on inside his own party and his inability to listen to experts.

Well in my 50 years of life we've had 36 of a RWP and its got us to where we are now, so I beg to differ.
Edited to add, the majority of countries with the best quality of life (Netherlands, and most of Scandinavian) have either had centrist or slightly left or slightly right coalitions). Extremes are never good for a long term economic or socially well functioning country.

You can differ all you want. That's what forums are for. I wouldn't care if I didn't see another Labour government again during the rest of my lifetime. I'm pretty certain it's not going to happen after this shambles of a term. Populist parties have emerged because of fuck ups from both main parties.

I do agree but it Is being driven by this Labour government.

They plan to allow 16 yrs olds to vote knowing that they are far more likely to vote left, they plan to change rules to give voting rights to immigrants far more quickly, they are attempting to shut down free speech in various dirty ways and are turning a blind eye to voter fraud in certain communities which will only increase as those communities grow exponentially. Add in their determination to make it easier to convict people of various crimes and we’ve not got a very well functioning democracy.

I have also seen a report that Serco, the vast prisoner and immigrant accommodation management company would refuse to follow instructions by a Reform government. There are far too many activists in civil service and quasi CS roles.

They even have a briefing unit to manipulate the families of victims murdered by immigrants. Interestingly some users on here were very keen to enforce the messages put out by this unit.

Would you care to link to that Serco report?

You seem to be very confused. What if the single magistrate didn’t like your shoes? And you go straight to prison for 2 years with no right of appeal?

At least with a jury there is a good chance that more people will be a bit more mature than using shoes to judge guilt.

Obviously we want the judicial system to be sped up, particularly for cases like rape. The removal of juries will not speed things up by more than a tiny amount. Inefficiency and mismanagement has slowed things down - that’s what need sorting, not the removal of our ancient right to be trued by a jury of our peers.

Starmer himself was quick to reinforce that message. He also enforced it to try and shut Nigel Farage down over the Henry Nowak murder - albeit not immigration related. It's a ploy that was used in the Lee Rigby murder. Easy to hush the public's condemnation if you can tug at the old heart strings. I also have to laugh at this panic about Russian interference when our own PM appointed a man who was happy to sell our security secrets. Talk about an own goal.

It’s not a report, it’s a statement of intent. Zia Yusuf posted about it yesterday.

You said "I have also seen a report that Serco"

So it's not a report, it's a statement from a Reform politician?

Could you link to whatever it is?

There's two separate stories.

The first is the court case.

The second is the BBC investigation into the men who were in court, which found that they were being paid by Russians.

The BBC provided no credible evidence of their claims on that one. It was just all 'we investigated this number and traced it back to someone linked to Putin'.

Even just a few years ago I'd have taken that as verbatim.

But the BBC has lied so much in recent years that I'm not buying it.

It really didn't help that on the News at Ten last night they had Nick Lowles from Hope Not Hate, who helped them with the story. He's a proven liar, but he's far left, so it doesn't matter.

Talking of voter fraud, I take it security is going to be ramped up for tomorrow's local election.

Edited -Sorry, Thursday's election.

What do you mean? Security for what?

Johnson appointed the son of a KGB agent to the house of lords. He also met the ex-KGB agent without aides.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62068421

If you're worried about foreigners being paid by Russia to spread division and violence in the UK you could always support ...

stronger border restrictions so they're not here in the first place?

They don't need to be here to spread division. They even have the Internet in Russia now

I should verify myself to say that I hope the voting booths are restricted to one person per booth.

Well they usually are. If this is a reference to the false accusations of Muslim people "family voting" in G&D, Reform won't have that excuse to fall back on if it loses Makerfield.

Oh yes, I’d forgotten about the Prince of Darkness using his position to influence our Parliament for foreign gain, whereas pp seems to think that we are all being manipulated by shadowy Russian influences.

Maybe it doesn’t occur to PPs that we have the ability to look at stuff happening in our country from a vast range of sources and make up our own minds?

That’s the problem, all sources have their own agendas and are funded by someone. I think people will pick something that aligns with their political beliefs, for instance a Reform voter would probably watch GB News. The good thing is that people are starting to realise that the news can’t be trusted anymore because they all sway to one party.

The good thing is that people are starting to realise that the news can’t be trusted anymore because they all sway to one party

Which party?

There was no evidence of criminal activity at G&D but that still doesn't refute the observations of polling staff.

why do you think the independent elections monitor is lying?

As the police force and councils in the area may well have had an interest in generating the results achieved, why do you assume they are not lying? Studies have shown that the risk of electoral fraud is far higher in areas where there is a higher population from countries where electoral fraud is common.

democracyvolunteers.org/major-concerns-over-family-voting-in-gorton-and-denton-poll/#