If you support Reform, Restore, Greens and similar far right/left parties

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How do you feel about the fact that your support is being whipped up by Russia, in concerted attacks, for the specific purpose of sowing division and political instability in Britain? Is this giving you any pause for thought? Do you think you will go back to supporting traditional parties?

Do you think the party you support has a strong platform to defend the country against clear and present danger from very powerful nations which are taking active measures to harm us? Or put another way, are you prepared to entertain the very real possibility that the party you support is propped up by foreign influence and money that are actually using you as pawns in a political game that will destroy all of us, including yourself?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8r2l352z2do

For someone so concerned about misinformation and disinformation for Muslim voters, you seem surprising cavalier with the truth in your own posts.

I find that curious.

Oh dear. So much disinformation in one post, it is like Bullshit Bingo.

Got you. I would bother to ask what I'm meant to have joined but can I be arsed? Nah, not really. It's serving no purpose to the thread.

She probably saw it on Facebook.

You do know the difference between a private members bill and a government one don't you?

One wonders if Cornish is rather unfamiliar with the parliamentary process in the UK.

It does have the feel of a list that is doing the rounds on SM.

Agreed. Engaging with you serves no purpose at all, as you are clearly unwilling to engage with the substance of the discussion started by the OP and you're just determined to deflect in whatever way you are able.

It's a waste of time and I will stop.

Maybe she's more familiar with the old Cornish Stannary Parliament

Or talktv with Reform's Pochin

Great. That's a relief for both of us. Hope that settles the matter.

It's a GB News line. Bev Turner was wanging on about it last week when she lied to viewers the rioting in Belfast.

Its not called KGB News for nothing.

I appreciate you referencing your posts. I just got called over to the Brexit thread and see that you have been waiting for an evidenced reply there. There is lot of multiple repeating of the same unsubstantiated posts going on.

People should take this stuff seriously.

Infrastructure like the internet is just such a huge opportunity for any hostile faction to act. I don't support China's level of censorship at all, but there is a serious reason they are so locked down.

The BBC I struggle to have sympathy for, while at the same time thinking it is really terrible that they have lost the trust of so many. And it's their own doing, not because of manipulation by Russians. People only have to see them fuck up seriously once, where you know they themselves are manipulating a story, or sitting on it. And poof! the trust is gone. If I can see they are being either totally incompetent or dishonest on one story where I have some level of expertise, all of the other stories where I am less informed are sspect too. Their intentions in telling me even true stories are suspect.

I don't know how they haven't understood that. I think they still haven't really dealt with the aftermath of their allowing spliced together footage of Trump - despite the resignations of people at the top there isn't a sense they have dealt with the real cause of the decline, that an of the people actually involved directly, who had conversations about it in meetings at the time, have been exposed or their thinking challenged.

It's a massive loss, especially in the face of foreign interference. But it seems like a lot of sectors, media, universities, libraries, rejected the idea that their own political neutrality was an important part of the stability of the state, maybe about 15 years ago or so now? There are some pointy questions we could ask about where that push came from, actually....

People aren't supporting the traditional parties because the conservatives did a shit job, lots of people think labour are doing a shit job and Lib Dem's have always been outliers and I suspect there's a generation who still haven't forgiven them for selling out on uni fees. Nothing to do with Russia.

So is Russia making up information about all the illegal migrants who are crossing the English channel?

That is a fact and what most people are worried about and why they are voting for Restore and Reform.

With many of the worst people in the world - the Tate brothers etc.

But no, nothing to see

They’re making people believe

a. there are a lot more than there are
b. That this is the cause of all our problems
c. That the cause of the increase in “small boat” / non-European migration isn’t completely the fault of the people stoking up the riots - it’s happening because of THEIR Brexit

Research has consistently shown that most people substantially overestimate the scale of irregular migration into the UK.

I have no idea if Russia has been proactively heping to fuel those inaccurate perceptions, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

Russia has been weaponising disinformation about immigration for a long time. The UK is not immune from it.

The thing is, I wouldn't want someone like you living next door to me, but I wouldn't really have anyone to object to either.

Unless we can afford to buy up the entire street, we don't get to choose our neighbours and that's just life.

Personally, I would choose an HMO full of asylum seekers over and above a house full of racists, but we're all different.

And yet here you are on a public forum objecting @IMustDoMoreExercise

You don't want any

Including women and children?

Sports people?

I think the real question is whether there is actually anything that anyone can realistically do about it? Or will we just be trying to close the stable door after the horse has bolted?

It all feels a bit hopeless at this point.