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If you support Reform, Restore, Greens and similar far right/left parties

243 replies

Yellownotblue · 15/06/2026 22:45

How do you feel about the fact that your support is being whipped up by Russia, in concerted attacks, for the specific purpose of sowing division and political instability in Britain? Is this giving you any pause for thought? Do you think you will go back to supporting traditional parties?

Do you think the party you support has a strong platform to defend the country against clear and present danger from very powerful nations which are taking active measures to harm us? Or put another way, are you prepared to entertain the very real possibility that the party you support is propped up by foreign influence and money that are actually using you as pawns in a political game that will destroy all of us, including yourself?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8r2l352z2do

A composite image with a picture of Sir Keir Starmer on the left and on the right, a still from a video showing a car on fire, which was one of the arson attacks on property linked to him. Behind the image of Sir Keir is a Russian flag.

Russia was behind arson attacks targeting PM, BBC reveals

Evidence shows Russians directing the plot and stoking tensions with fake far-right and Muslim groups.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8r2l352z2do

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LuckyHazelFox · 16/06/2026 08:26

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/06/2026 08:16

Oh yes, I’d forgotten about the Prince of Darkness using his position to influence our Parliament for foreign gain, whereas pp seems to think that we are all being manipulated by shadowy Russian influences.

Maybe it doesn’t occur to PPs that we have the ability to look at stuff happening in our country from a vast range of sources and make up our own minds?

No it's far more smug to be condescending.

TemperanceWest · 16/06/2026 08:29

LuckyHazelFox · 16/06/2026 08:24

There was no evidence of criminal activity at G&D but that still doesn't refute the observations of polling staff.

Well, whatever you believe did or didn't happen in G&D, even if family voting happens in Makerfield, it won't sway the vote. So one less excuse for Farage to fall back on if Reform loses.

randomchap · 16/06/2026 08:29

@CornishDaughteroftheDawn

Still waiting on that link if you don't mind

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/06/2026 08:29

randomchap · 16/06/2026 08:02

You said "I have also seen a report that Serco"

So it's not a report, it's a statement from a Reform politician?

Could you link to whatever it is?

Yes, a report as in ‘he reported’. My grammar isn’t quite on point this morning as I am getting ready for work.

It is on his Facebook page. I am not prepared to link to Facebook on a forum like this.

randomchap · 16/06/2026 08:34

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/06/2026 08:29

Yes, a report as in ‘he reported’. My grammar isn’t quite on point this morning as I am getting ready for work.

It is on his Facebook page. I am not prepared to link to Facebook on a forum like this.

In that case I'll just assume it's made up bullshit then

Level1469 · 16/06/2026 08:34

Could you tell us how you feel about the Fabians and Labour Together, OP?

TemperanceWest · 16/06/2026 08:36

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/06/2026 08:29

Yes, a report as in ‘he reported’. My grammar isn’t quite on point this morning as I am getting ready for work.

It is on his Facebook page. I am not prepared to link to Facebook on a forum like this.

Do you mean this? It all seems a storm in a tea cup as SERCO has clarified the claims are untrue.

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Fillies4DeclanRice · 16/06/2026 08:37

randomchap · 16/06/2026 08:07

They don't need to be here to spread division. They even have the Internet in Russia now

But, if the story is true, the Russians need poor foreigners here to give money to in exchange for posting anti Islam messages on Mosques

LuckyHazelFox · 16/06/2026 08:38

TemperanceWest · 16/06/2026 08:29

Well, whatever you believe did or didn't happen in G&D, even if family voting happens in Makerfield, it won't sway the vote. So one less excuse for Farage to fall back on if Reform loses.

If Burnham wins, it's more of the same of Starmer. I'm used to the rot after two years. Shame the economy will suffer even more for it though.

randomchap · 16/06/2026 08:39

Fillies4DeclanRice · 16/06/2026 08:37

But, if the story is true, the Russians need poor foreigners here to give money to in exchange for posting anti Islam messages on Mosques

I'm sure they can find British Islamophobes to do their dirty work too

TemperanceWest · 16/06/2026 08:41

LuckyHazelFox · 16/06/2026 08:38

If Burnham wins, it's more of the same of Starmer. I'm used to the rot after two years. Shame the economy will suffer even more for it though.

Oh, swift change of tack there😁.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 16/06/2026 08:44

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/06/2026 08:29

Yes, a report as in ‘he reported’. My grammar isn’t quite on point this morning as I am getting ready for work.

It is on his Facebook page. I am not prepared to link to Facebook on a forum like this.

So, Zia Yusuf made an unfounded claim on Facebook and you are presenting this disinformation on MN firstly as "a report" and subsequently as a "statement of intent"?

Are you deliberately trying to spread disinformation or are you simply incapable of critically analysing and evaluating the nonsense that you see on social media?

LuckyHazelFox · 16/06/2026 08:45

TemperanceWest · 16/06/2026 08:41

Oh, swift change of tack there😁.

I haven't changed tack at all. I made a different point.

TheCompactPussycat · 16/06/2026 08:48

TallSturdyGirls · 16/06/2026 07:35

Well in my 50 years of life we've had 36 of a RWP and its got us to where we are now, so I beg to differ.
Edited to add, the majority of countries with the best quality of life (Netherlands, and most of Scandinavian) have either had centrist or slightly left or slightly right coalitions). Extremes are never good for a long term economic or socially well functioning country.

Edited

Absolutely. Three of the most economically damaging policies of the last 50 years (right to buy, privatisation of our utilities, and Brexit) have all been Tory / right-wing policies.

Fillies4DeclanRice · 16/06/2026 08:48

randomchap · 16/06/2026 08:39

I'm sure they can find British Islamophobes to do their dirty work too

That's the whole point - they couldn't.

They had to recruit recent arrivals who literally didn't know what they were doing and pay them. The Ukrainian who set fire to Starmer's car was a rent boy who'd never heard of Keir Starmer.

Shakeoffyourchains · 16/06/2026 08:50

Cleo65 · 15/06/2026 23:10

I also have huge concerns about a government which won't spend on our own country's defense (armed forces) - but have miraculously found £4.5 billion from somewhere for......cycle paths!

Outrageous!

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Fillies4DeclanRice · 16/06/2026 08:51

TheCompactPussycat · 16/06/2026 08:48

Absolutely. Three of the most economically damaging policies of the last 50 years (right to buy, privatisation of our utilities, and Brexit) have all been Tory / right-wing policies.

FAR and away the most economically damaging policies of the last 50 years have been unsustainably high taxation (and often to pay for economically illiterate things like Net Zero).

Both parties were and are to blame for this.

TemperanceWest · 16/06/2026 08:54

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 16/06/2026 08:44

So, Zia Yusuf made an unfounded claim on Facebook and you are presenting this disinformation on MN firstly as "a report" and subsequently as a "statement of intent"?

Are you deliberately trying to spread disinformation or are you simply incapable of critically analysing and evaluating the nonsense that you see on social media?

Cornish has accused MN posters of "enforcing messages" put out by a "briefing unit".

Ironic, really.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 16/06/2026 08:56

TemperanceWest · 16/06/2026 08:54

Cornish has accused MN posters of "enforcing messages" put out by a "briefing unit".

Ironic, really.

Oh dear.

LuckyHazelFox · 16/06/2026 09:01

TemperanceWest · 16/06/2026 08:54

Cornish has accused MN posters of "enforcing messages" put out by a "briefing unit".

Ironic, really.

Looks like it's your turn today @CornishDaughteroftheDawn

JustTryingToBeMe · 16/06/2026 09:01

Yellownotblue · 15/06/2026 23:24

What exactly is your concern here - is it that you don’t believe that healthier, more active lifestyles would free up 1.7million GP appointments a year and make us all wealthier (as well as healthier), or that your cost-benefit analysis shows that the money would be better invested in defence? If so on what grounds? Or do you think the government should only be pursuing defence to the exclusion of everything else?

I hope that you have started your Russian lessons ready for when they invade because without any reliable defence forces, it won’t take much.

Shakeoffyourchains · 16/06/2026 09:02

Fillies4DeclanRice · 16/06/2026 08:51

FAR and away the most economically damaging policies of the last 50 years have been unsustainably high taxation (and often to pay for economically illiterate things like Net Zero).

Both parties were and are to blame for this.

The unsustainably high taxation has also come from RWP, as they continually lower the higher rates and recover the losses through stealth taxes that disproportionately affected the working and middle classes.

And 'economically illiterate things like net zero, has created over 1.1 million jobs, generating £105 billion in GVA, pays an average wage roughly 11% higher than the national average, and has an investment pipeline of right half a trillion waiting to go.

LuckyHazelFox · 16/06/2026 09:04

JustTryingToBeMe · 16/06/2026 09:01

I hope that you have started your Russian lessons ready for when they invade because without any reliable defence forces, it won’t take much.

Defence is a peripheral need don't you know. It's not like we've actually got to be alive to enjoy generous benefits.

Gladystheimpaler · 16/06/2026 09:13

Russia has been so successful in this active measure. Tommy Robinson was over there last week saying it's a civilised country and not our enemy. He's reposting Russian propaganda, and the Russian state is reposting his reposts!

Meanwhile Russia are conducting hybrid war against our shore constantly.

Former Welsh leader of Reform UK, Nathan Gill, was convicted of taking bribes to give pro-Russian speeches. Nigel Farage takes a pro-Russian stance on the Ukraine war, and has been paid to speak on Russian state media. Russia is baked into Reform UK.

Clavinova · 16/06/2026 09:17

randomchap · 16/06/2026 08:04

Johnson appointed the son of a KGB agent to the house of lords. He also met the ex-KGB agent without aides.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62068421

I was hoping someone might mention the former KGB officer.

22 Jan 2009
Lord Mandelson has 'no plans' for inquiry into Evening Standard sale.

Mandelson has no intention to intervene despite Tory MP's call for inquiry into sale of London title to former KGB officer,

The Russian oligarch's past has raised questions about whether he is fit to run a national newspaper. Ottoway first raised the matter with Andy Burnham, the culture secretary, during a debate on Monday. Extract from Hansard here;

Richard Ottaway
The Secretary of State will be aware that the Evening Standard is at the centre of London’s local news media industry. Under the circumstances, might it not be appropriate to conduct an inquiry into whether a former KGB member is a fit and proper person to own that newspaper?

Andy Burnham
The Evening Standard is indeed a well-loved part of London life—a view held on both sides of the House, I hasten to add—and, whatever changes are in the offing, it should maintain its character and journalistic standards on all counts. I am sure that, like me, the hon. Gentleman will accept that what matters is not an individual’s nationality but the plans that they have to uphold those standards and that character...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jan/22/evening-standard-peter-mandelson

Peter Mandelson has 'no plans' for inquiry into sale of Evening Standard to former KGB officer

Mandelson has no intention to intervene despite Tory MP's call for inquiry into sale of London title to former KGB officer

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jan/22/evening-standard-peter-mandelson