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Is England’s World Cup entitlement unique, or common in other countries?

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WhenTheDustSettles · Today 08:10

Do other countries have the same sense of entitlement to winning the World Cup as we do? All this 30, now 60, years of hurt thing, all the comments about how useless England are, that's gone on for as long as I can remember, how rubbish the managers are etc.

I've never researched it but we can't be the only country to have only won one, or zero World Cups.

Is it unique to England? Or our supporters, I doubt the team has the same sense of entitlement.

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DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 11:50

In everyday conversation, "entitlement" often describes a personality trait. A sense of entitlement is the belief that you are owed certain privileges, respect, or material things, regardless of whether you have earned them.

I don't think most fans have a sense of privilege or an over developed sense that respect is owed @WhenTheDustSettles apart from perhaps the Reform, Tommy Robinson types who I would completely distance myself from anyway.

High expectations given recent tournament performances and quality of players, sure.

Much higher than say, 15 years ago when we were at best embarrassing and absolutely rife with club rivalry and poor leadership. I couldn't cheer for England while the likes of John Terry played for them and had no expectations, and the tabloids were absolutely disgraceful and mental, following players and their families around constantly. In fact I preferred if they got knocked out early so I could just relax and enjoy the tournament.

But since 2017 it has been much better and I hope Tuchel can build on the excellent foundation laid by Southgate. I have hopes and expectations but no entitlement whatsoever.

Everanewbie · Today 11:52

Why are so many people missing the point of the "its coming home" lyric in Three Lions?

The lyric was about England hosting Euro 96. England was the birthplace of football. While undeniably not its most successful exponents, the birthplace has a fair claim of being the home. It wasn't an presumption that England would win the tournament.

No one seems to question Scotland and specifically St Andrews as being the home of golf. Nor should there be. No one calls that arrogant.

I don't think there is an entitlement. There is a frustration that despite knocking on the door and being in the top 3 or 4 nations for most of that now 60 years of hurt, England hasn't gotten over the line. I think the feeling of arrogance comes more from inferiority complexes from other home nations.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · Today 12:15

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · Today 10:47

I think the “football’s coming home” is supposed to be slightly tongue in cheek, it’s just the fans don’t get it.

But it was written for Euro 96 that was in England, so in that sense it came to this country in terms of the tournament being here.

Interestingly, it used to be widely accepted in the UK that football was invented in Italy, it was just that having the first railway network allowed us to have the first league and therefore standardised rules.

I’d read somewhere that football started on these shores with either Vikings or Anglo Saxons, or both - playing a game with the heads of their slain enemies!

Made sense to me, but then I’ve never been much of a footie fan.

sashagabadon · Today 12:20

To be fair the Brits have invented quite a lot of modern day sports. Football, cricket, rugby , snooker , darts, formula one. Probably more! We don’t sing our own praises enough imo
(other countries have invented other sports too disclaimer)

ExpertInAbsolutelyZero · Today 13:08

It’s the media. They overhype it in the run up to the competitions. Football commentators “always” mention 1966, and even in matches England is not playing in they “always” refer to players as the “insert any English Premier League team” player, always bring it back to England. That grates in the other UK nations. Then they turn on the tram when they don’t win. I think the ordinary England fan simply supports their team.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 13:10

giemepeace · Today 08:20

No this is not common in other countries! I think this behaviour is about more than football…

That didn't take long.

Starseeking · Today 13:38

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · Today 11:41

I had a row with one of my then teen DNs during the 2018 world cup when the song had blasted back into the charts as they tried to claim it was a song "their generations" had discovered.

Considering I bought that song on cassette single from good old Wollies years before they were even born, I took exception to their possessiveness.

But I now can't believe that song is 30 or that I am now so old!

Released in 1996 😱😱😱

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