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To be increasung concerned about Restore Britain.

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NoisyHiker · 11/06/2026 07:20

I know many people don't like Owen Jones, but I found this article deeply disturbing.

I am a child of immigrants, and my children are mixed race. So things like this are really starting to worry me.

I completely understand why people are angry at the current rate and quality of immigration (my own family are also disgruntled with it). But Restore want to deport even those who have citizenship.

And I am genuinely concerned that things are going to get worse than Farage if the government don't get a grip on this.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/10/restore-britain-right-politics-white-supremacist

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Genevieva · 11/06/2026 15:07

Persephonia1966 · 11/06/2026 15:04

TBF Musk supports green energy subsidies when they are paid to him. He just oppses them being paid to anyone else.

Musk wanted talent visas to support his various business interests and the MAGA movement said no. He used to be a Democrat, but was radicalised by the horror of not being able to protect his son from trans activists.

Persephonia1966 · 11/06/2026 15:09

Genevieva · 11/06/2026 15:07

Musk wanted talent visas to support his various business interests and the MAGA movement said no. He used to be a Democrat, but was radicalised by the horror of not being able to protect his son from trans activists.

Well... He's also insane TBF.

Genevieva · 11/06/2026 15:16

Persephonia1966 · 11/06/2026 15:09

Well... He's also insane TBF.

He is! Really strange man in lots of ways. But the visa thing is bloody annoying for kids like my oldest son, who is in STEM, as there is almost no industry here anymore. British students can’t even apply for summer internships over there thanks to Trump’s visa changes. I get putting your own citizens first in the job market, but not with internships.

StandFirm · 11/06/2026 15:32

Araminta1003 · 11/06/2026 14:11

I don’t understand this. If Restore do not want to pay benefits to those who have ILR then just cancel all benefits and social housing for them. Why do they have to go beyond and also deport them? Makes no sense. If it is the cost of them that is the issue, then address that. But the reality is this country has been benefitting from the hard work of immigrants for centuries. The NHS would collapse without them. Now if they want to pay higher wages to all NHS staff so they can afford their own rent etc, then do that. But there is no need to deport people actually working with no criminal records who are contributing to society. Makes zero economic sense.

Don't you get it? They want a foreign underclass that they can exploit and discriminate against at will.

StandFirm · 11/06/2026 15:37

Genevieva · 11/06/2026 15:04

He’s not a Trump and it’s not his job to comment on every deranged zoomer who latches onto his party as the next best thing. They’ll likely have a new favourite next year as the right continues to fragment and they realise he won’t deliver. Everything I've seen is about economics and constitutional structures (re-empowering parliament). I’ve seen him in the Public Accounts Committee and he’s really incisive. Not like Farage, who doesn’t turn up to Parliament or his constituency and seems to think making his jingoistic soundbite constitutes ‘work’. Lowe’s daughter-in-law is an Italian with a Tunisian father. I simply don’t believe he’s interested in ethnicity / race at all.

How do you explain his own campaigns director advocating for an ethnically - and religiously- homogeneous society?
Knowing the US well, this reminds me of the people who supported Trump when he said he had nothing to do with Project 2025 and lo and behold his administration is full of P2025 supporters and very much implementing it to the letter. Politicians will say one thing and do another, what a surprise.

Genevieva · 11/06/2026 15:42

StandFirm · 11/06/2026 15:37

How do you explain his own campaigns director advocating for an ethnically - and religiously- homogeneous society?
Knowing the US well, this reminds me of the people who supported Trump when he said he had nothing to do with Project 2025 and lo and behold his administration is full of P2025 supporters and very much implementing it to the letter. Politicians will say one thing and do another, what a surprise.

To be honest, I haven’t seen that. I don’t agree with Lowe on the death penalty, but I kind of understand that if you sat through several weeks of rape gang testimony you’d want the perpetrators dead. The scale and horror of what has been perpetrated can only real be described as a war crime. That these girls have then had to continue seeing the same men in their local area must cause an ongoing trauma. It’s all so upsetting.

StandFirm · 11/06/2026 15:47

Genevieva · 11/06/2026 15:42

To be honest, I haven’t seen that. I don’t agree with Lowe on the death penalty, but I kind of understand that if you sat through several weeks of rape gang testimony you’d want the perpetrators dead. The scale and horror of what has been perpetrated can only real be described as a war crime. That these girls have then had to continue seeing the same men in their local area must cause an ongoing trauma. It’s all so upsetting.

The girls were utterly failed, no question about that. The perpetrators are absolutely disgusting criminals that need to be severely punished. Death penalty is a tough debate - I personally don't believe the state should have the power of life of death over anyone. I get the sentiment though, especially in these cases.
But what I'm talking about is different: Restore's rhetoric is not linked to empathy for the victims, it's a considered ideological agenda that is being pushed by their donors. This is not neutral. Ethno nationalists and Christian nationalists in the US are powerful backers of Restore. Many of their aims overlap.

Genevieva · 11/06/2026 16:05

StandFirm · 11/06/2026 15:47

The girls were utterly failed, no question about that. The perpetrators are absolutely disgusting criminals that need to be severely punished. Death penalty is a tough debate - I personally don't believe the state should have the power of life of death over anyone. I get the sentiment though, especially in these cases.
But what I'm talking about is different: Restore's rhetoric is not linked to empathy for the victims, it's a considered ideological agenda that is being pushed by their donors. This is not neutral. Ethno nationalists and Christian nationalists in the US are powerful backers of Restore. Many of their aims overlap.

I agree with you entirely in the death penalty. I don’t know if you are right on the party’s funding etc. Broadly speaking, I see them as one of many parties. Yes it’s a dynamic political landscape, but ultimately the British FPTP system punishes extreme positions. You have to be a broad church with a centrist gravitational pull to win a majority.

ForGreenHiker · 11/06/2026 16:06

Genevieva · 11/06/2026 15:07

Musk wanted talent visas to support his various business interests and the MAGA movement said no. He used to be a Democrat, but was radicalised by the horror of not being able to protect his son from trans activists.

Oh please. Elon Musk’s daughter wasn’t radicalised. She choose to transition and seem perfectly happy with her choice.

He's a terrible father who has no contact with her because he’s too entrenched in his own right wing political beliefs.

Genevieva · 11/06/2026 16:07

ForGreenHiker · 11/06/2026 16:06

Oh please. Elon Musk’s daughter wasn’t radicalised. She choose to transition and seem perfectly happy with her choice.

He's a terrible father who has no contact with her because he’s too entrenched in his own right wing political beliefs.

I wrote that he was radicalised.

ForGreenHiker · 11/06/2026 16:08

Genevieva · 11/06/2026 16:07

I wrote that he was radicalised.

Apologies, I misread!

OneThreadOnlybyN · 11/06/2026 16:09

Shedmistress · 11/06/2026 08:03

I live in France.

Each year for the first 5 I have to prove that I have the financial means to stay, that I am not taking benefits, that I have a place to live that I fund, that I pay my bills etc.

After that I have to keep doing that either every 5 years or 10.

Why should this be different to people coming to the UK?

Have you hit a spare room? I don't take up much space & I'm good with kids & animals!

Boomer55 · 11/06/2026 16:11

Fillies4DeclanRice · 11/06/2026 07:32

Owen Jones is truly racist - some of the stuff he's said about Jews are word for word the same as what Nick Griffin has said

Yes he is, but he’s the current ‘right type’ of racist. Anti Semitism is fine, no other racist is. 🙄

Daygloboo · 11/06/2026 16:13

Boomer55 · 11/06/2026 16:11

Yes he is, but he’s the current ‘right type’ of racist. Anti Semitism is fine, no other racist is. 🙄

Does he not distinguish between the current Israeli govt and Jewish people generally.

ilovebrie8 · 11/06/2026 17:16

hairbearbunches · 11/06/2026 14:58

I’ve got an anecdote that might make you think on. A friend of mine is a CEO and his company offered work experience. He had met 2 young lads outside of the job who expressed an interest in the work experience. White working class. He had them in and quietly supplied them with lunch every day because they had no money for food. His HR department pushed back hard because these kids weren’t on the list of those who ‘should’ have been offered that work experience. So, good on him, he pushed back harder because those kids were disadvantaged in the extreme. HR departments are stuffed with people who would no more give a white working class boy a chance than they would eat a plate of dog shit.

Agree with this all day long!! I've lived it😞

HR depts. are DEI obsessed it is everywhere and anyone but whites are recruited who are back of the bloody queue. White working class boys being one of the worst discriminated against groups, so so sad and so wrong there is a whole lost generation.

NHS doctors, NHS staff, the police (W Yorkshire police wanted anyone but whites in a recruitment drive and a whistle blower exposed it), public sector you name it ...DEI obsession and whites don't get a look in.

It is not merit based at all.

I know a lot of people in IT and they have been ousted out for Indian contractors/Indian consultancies masses of workers cannot get work as undercut by cheaper mainly Indian IT workers.

Arlanymor · 11/06/2026 17:20

friedaklein · 11/06/2026 07:34

Reform has clearly announced plans to abolish ILR. Not put any words into Farage's mouth.

Quite - this is from their own bloody website! In the FAQS!

Will Reform's policy of scrapping Indefinite Leave to Remain mean my foreign spouse loses their residency right?

No - for those spouses of British citizens who are eligible for citizenship, we will reduce application fees. For those who are not yet eligible for citizenship or who don't wish to become British citizens, there will continue to be a spousal/partner visa.

Oh how kind and decent - not!

Persephonia1966 · 11/06/2026 18:52

ilovebrie8 · 11/06/2026 17:16

Agree with this all day long!! I've lived it😞

HR depts. are DEI obsessed it is everywhere and anyone but whites are recruited who are back of the bloody queue. White working class boys being one of the worst discriminated against groups, so so sad and so wrong there is a whole lost generation.

NHS doctors, NHS staff, the police (W Yorkshire police wanted anyone but whites in a recruitment drive and a whistle blower exposed it), public sector you name it ...DEI obsession and whites don't get a look in.

It is not merit based at all.

I know a lot of people in IT and they have been ousted out for Indian contractors/Indian consultancies masses of workers cannot get work as undercut by cheaper mainly Indian IT workers.

A lot of that is against employment law and you could name the organisation/trust where you saw it on here or pursue it through other channels. I am sure the law gets broken l, women get sacked for being pregnant for example. I know you mentioned a whistleblower in the police but if it's also happening/happened in your workforce in front of you and you aren't reporting it then I would argue you are as much part of the cover up as anyone else is.

The IT issue is different because that's swapping out people for lower paid employees rather than discrimination on race. But it's surprising as the big impact on IT jobs recently has been AI manianand overspend there.

The main overarching issue in the North East is that deindustrialisation meant there are no jobs for young working class boys. This particularly affects white working class boys as the parts of the country that most suffered job losses have those demographics and the jobs lost were the kind that would have been ideal for young men

I'm not sure how completely abolishing employment law and protections and unions would help. Or getting rid of housing benefit, unemployment benefit and tenants rights though.

hairbearbunches · 11/06/2026 19:30

@Persephonia1966 are you saying that positive discrimination isn’t pursued in this country? Automatic shortlist places for any ethnic minorities who apply for jobs within the public sector? I thought we’d been practicing this non merit based recruitment for decades now.

Persephonia1966 · 11/06/2026 19:41

hairbearbunches · 11/06/2026 19:30

@Persephonia1966 are you saying that positive discrimination isn’t pursued in this country? Automatic shortlist places for any ethnic minorities who apply for jobs within the public sector? I thought we’d been practicing this non merit based recruitment for decades now.

It's legal in America. It is very rarely legal here. Thenbelownis long but it describes the differences between positive action (legal in the UK) and positive discrimination (not legal). E.g. positive action to make a workplace more accessible to wheelchairs and advertise that you are happy to hire disabled people and have policies in place to help them is legal. Hiring a less qualified disabled person over a more qualified abled person is discrimination and illegal. The bit in bold is maybe the most relevant.

5. What is the difference between positive action and positive discrimination?
Positive action is not positive discrimination. Positive discrimination is unlawful in Great Britain. If an action treating a particular group more favourably does not meet the statutory requirements in the Act for taking positive action, then it is likely to be unlawful direct discrimination under the Act, irrespective of the motives behind taking it. Some people may refer to this type of unlawful preferential treatment as ‘positive discrimination’. However, it is not unlawful for an employer to treat a disabled person more favourably in comparison to a non-disabled person.
Some examples of initiatives that would probably constitute unlawful discrimination are:

  • recruiting or promoting a person solely because they have a relevant protected characteristic (without regard to the legal criteria)
  • setting quotas (as opposed to targets) to recruit or promote a particular number or proportion of people with protected characteristics irrespective of merit
  • requiring that places for those with particular protected characteristics are reserved on interview panels, irrespective of whether there are more suitable candidates excluded who do not have that particular characteristic
  • creating schemes to benefit those with a particular protected characteristic, without any evidence that the group in question is at a disadvantage or has different needs
Positive discrimination may also occur where a disadvantaged or underrepresented group that shares a protected characteristic is treated preferentially (but not in accordance with the legal criteria or existing exemptions) to address inequality. Positive action should not be confused with ‘affirmative’ action, which was first introduced in the USA and has since been adopted in some other countries. Although the general aims to promote greater equality of opportunity are similar, affirmative action can be more prescriptive than positive action and often involves the use of quotas to reduce the underrepresentation of some groups. For example, this could involve setting quotas to interview a minimum number of people from underrepresented groups for certain roles. As above, introducing such quotas could constitute positive discrimination as they are mandatory and employers may need to put forward less qualified candidates for hiring or promotion opportunities to meet any minimum restrictions. Targets differ from quotas as they are not mandatory and can be used to make improvements without compromising the ability for employers to put forward the best candidates for roles. When considering taking positive action, you should be careful not to use American resources about affirmative action, as they do not set out the legal position in this country. To avoid positive discrimination, an employer should follow the steps set out in this guidance. In particular, an employer must reasonably think that one of the 3 conditions – disadvantage, different needs, or disproportionately low participation – applies to the particular group before taking measures targeting it. An example of positive discrimination is the case of Furlong v Chief Constable of Cheshire Police. Cheshire Police operated a policy of treating all candidates who passed the recruitment tests (regardless of score) as being equally qualified for the job. Ethnic minority candidates were then prioritised for selection. The Employment Tribunal found that Cheshire Police Service directly discriminated on grounds of sex, race and sexual orientation against Mr Furlong, who was a white, heterosexual male. The Tribunal found that while there was evidence that ethnic minority groups were underrepresented within the force, reliance on section 159 of the Act failed because the prioritised candidates were not as well qualified as Mr Furlong. The tribunal therefore found that the action taken by the police force was unlawful because the test in section 159(4) was not met. First, the police force had set an artificially low threshold in their recruitment tests and it was wrong that all 127 candidates were equally suitable for the job. Second, the tribunal found that the police force’s recruitment approach of prioritising ethnic minority candidates had the hallmarks of being a policy. And third, although the police force had a legitimate aim to improve ethnic diversity in its force, the tribunal held that the blanket approach to positive action in recruitment was not reasonably necessary or a proportionate means of achieving that legitimate aim. More information on positive action in recruitment is available in later sections of this guidance.
Persephonia1966 · 11/06/2026 19:42

It might well happen. Discrimination in the workplace happens. But it isn't legal and tends to cost employers a lot of money in the long runm

Persephonia1966 · 11/06/2026 19:47

One exception is if there a legal criteria for a specific characteristic. Eg a female rape crisis officer. MI6 can recruit based on race but the air force can't. But that needs to be clearly stated and justified before the job is advertised.

Clavinova · 11/06/2026 20:17

StandFirm · 11/06/2026 12:02

8.6million EU migrants applied for settled status - that data needs context! First of all, there are many repeat applications by the same individuals who changed their status. So there are duplicates in that number. Of the 4.5 million who successfully had pre-settled or settled status granted, many have in fact permanently left the country. They have only kept their visa up to date. Not the same thing. Overall, it is probably closer to 3.8-4 million and even that remains to be confirmed as many have left since Brexit. According to the ONS there are 6 to -6.5 million foreign residents in TOTAL in the country at this time. Might be lower due to EU citizens leaving and not being accounted for as having left yet.

Of the 4.5 million who successfully had pre-settled or settled status granted

As of 31 March 2026, 5.8 million people held status under the EUSS:

4.5 million had settled status.
1.3 million had pre-settled status...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/response-to-the-ima-report-into-delays-in-issuing-euss-decisions

Included in the settled/pre-settled status figures are more than 600,000 family members and dependents who do not have EU/EEA/Swiss citizenship: 275,000 with settled status, 342,000 with pre-settled status. These people get overlooked, but they are/or were here due to EU freedom of movement rules.

The top three nationalities applying in this group were from India, Pakistan and Brazil (2022).

Clavinova · 11/06/2026 20:50

StandFirm · 11/06/2026 13:18

We were never in Schengen so always had control of our borders when it came to non-EU citizens.

always had control of our borders when it came to non-EU citizens

Not really, EU and British citizens could bypass UK immigration regulations to bring in non-EU family members by exercising their freedom of movement rights - either EU citizens moving to the UK, joined by their non-EU family members, or UK citizens moving to another EU state for a period and then returning with non-EU family members. EU rules applied over UK immigration rules.

Another example might include the Goa route;

Tens of thousands of Indians have settled in Britain using an astonishing immigration loophole – by becoming citizens of Portugal, even though they’ve never set foot there.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-3403136/How-20-000-Indians-slipped-UK-Portuguese-passports-legally.html

BurnoutBee · 11/06/2026 22:17

I would love it if Rupert Lowe got in. But I don’t think he will. I would rather vote restore than reform.

ByGraptharsHammer · 12/06/2026 00:20

BurnoutBee · 11/06/2026 22:17

I would love it if Rupert Lowe got in. But I don’t think he will. I would rather vote restore than reform.

Can you explain why?

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