To be increasung concerned about Restore Britain.

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I know many people don't like Owen Jones, but I found this article deeply disturbing.

I am a child of immigrants, and my children are mixed race. So things like this are really starting to worry me.

I completely understand why people are angry at the current rate and quality of immigration (my own family are also disgruntled with it). But Restore want to deport even those who have citizenship.

And I am genuinely concerned that things are going to get worse than Farage if the government don't get a grip on this.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/10/restore-britain-right-politics-white-supremacist

No the figure is about 130,000 based on ppl identifying as somali in the last census, plus the stats for social housing.

I know when our local secondary schools held a vote at the same time as the GE our local ones tended to be reform as the winners. Those children are still not old enough to vote yet but will start to be next year.

I think reform voters will slowly move to restore to get away from the whole oh you just support Nigel stuff.

Lol. My 21-year-old Indian heritage son has a job offer of £50 k a year. He has 4 A stars at A level, an undergrad from UCL and a masters from Oxbridge. That's how he got his internship and job.

Cope with it. We ain't leaving. Work harder perhaps instead of moaning about non-whites cleverer than you.

Who's who though
I don't actually know which I am
I need like a questionnaire where it asks your opinion on lots of different views ,then tells you who you should vote for ,like who you politically align with .

Good for him, his hard work and talent has deservedly paid off.

Are you foreign nationals living off the UK state?

If not, you can relax because no-one wants you to leave.

“Lol. My 21-year-old Indian heritage son has a job offer of £50 k a year. He has 4 A stars at A level, an undergrad from UCL and a masters from Oxbridge. That's how he got his internship and job.
Cope with it. We ain't leaving.”

@friedaklein - I think you are right. The thickos who cannot pass their GCSEs don’t like the competition from the rest of the world. But economically, we need bright young people to serve the ageing population.

At this point, it will be more interesting to see whether India and China will try to stop their youngsters emigrating as they are also going into ageing demographic, especially China. India has just recorded no replacement population growth!

Personally, I am happy to listen to anti immigrant sentiment in so far as there is an economic argument or a real safety argument (eg criminals, not enough checks). But not otherwise.

Regarding Afghanis who helped the British and US. You cannot send them back, nobody else will help us in the future when we need it! Someone has to make rationale decisions.

No. But I am done wt complaining that white ppl get nothing.

@friedaklein I am in a similar position but have more grace and more empathy.

Lol? Sort yourself out and stop being such a cunt to people struggling. Treat others the way you want to be treated.

I think every part of society has its own particular issues, though its not a competition.

Things like jobs etc should be open to everyone to apply in a fair society.

The henry nowak murder is the latest example of how dysfunctional the state is when it comes to race. Ironically I think the state has done much of the harm itself, in its clumsy attempts to be "not racist".

Of the topic here
But anyway
In my family my DH is as far green as you can possibly go
My youngest son and eldest son ,have gone from reform to restore in the last 6 months
My middle son is lib dem
And my daughter is labour in main election,lib dem in local.
I was green for years ...but I think we need limits on immigration.
My DH says it's racist to have limits on immigration.
He says we should have open borders.. anyone who does not want open borders is racist..in his head ..see ..as far green as you can go ...
I am totally lost ,and swamped under everyone else's views.
So I hover on these type of threads trying to find where I fit in .
My son says because I'm worried about immigration,I must be conservative and you never get vegan conservatives..
I've never voted conservative in my life
I was green for such a long time
So many different views in one house..it would be funny if it didn't lead to arguments

Oh, you are done with it? Good to know. Thanks for showing yourself.

I think the main parties are changeing constantly so it is OK to switch. Labour under Blair was completely different than the Corbyn era. If all the Tory twats who are twats defected to Reform/Restore, people can change their voting patterns. Just like a lot of people voted Labour because it felt more blue Labour in the last election. And now they are shifting back to red Labour or full on Corbynite and not letting Starmer do what he was voted in to do, people will naturally find another place.
Kemi is a cool lady and better than a lot of them. But then Mahmood, Liz Kendall are good too. Wes Streeting could have been good but got swallowed up by classic male jump the gun arrogance. More fool him.
Rachel Reeves just seems confused as to who she is trying to please. She needs to grow a backbone. I cannot believe she is actually like this.

I agree . My DS is in uni with very bright young people who will be net contributors. We need them.

Lots of young men aren't academically inclined but have a lot to offer. And many, particularly white working class young men in places outside London may well have less qualifications than they could have gotten. Not everyone needs to go to University and get the same kind of jobs as your son and if everyone was going for those jobs, his wages would be a lot less.

It is true that a lot of traditional non academic opportunities were wiped out by Thatcher and the people that came after her. But the mines are never going to be reopened, Lowe knows this but by talking about it he is able to give the impression he intends to make a difference. What would really make a difference is encouraging investment in the UK economy, working to make land prices cheaper as the high land values actually work against investing in industry, making energy cheaper etc etc. Ironically if you look at Lowes actual interests they are diametrically opposed to anything that would substantially increase job growth or help younger people. Eg he's a large landowner, him and Farage are both opposed to renewable energy which, regardless of propaganda, is the only way energy prices are going down given the volatility of oil. The UK is probably the best suited location in the world to benefit from wind energy and it would be great if that could be co-opted for more jobs. We also have large thermal brine deposits of Lithium in Cornwall which mining companies have started extracting. Lowe and Farage would kill any potential of improvement because they are obsessed with renewables being woke.
But the "hah hah hah my kids are fine" isn't a great look when there is genuinely a jobs shortage for young people in the UK.

Fortunately young men don't seem as inclined to vote Lowe in the numbers some are suggesting.

I will absolutely push back against sweeping claims that white ppl don't get apprenticeships and non-white people do, without merit. The Restore playbook is to make white people into victims and blame all the non-whites for taking their jobs. Nope, not having it.

That wasn't my intention. My DS may not be fine. His job may be taken by AI.
But I will push back against the insinuation that apprenticeships are only given to non-white people. Why shouldn't I?

I did one of those and I got Reform as the result. I’m still leaning more towards conservatives though.

It's literally a breach of the Equality Act to discriminate like that (without really good reason which is rare) which makes it all the more ironic Reform and Restore want to abolish the EA. But it is true that lots of young people are badly treated by the current system through no fault of their own. It's just that Reform/Restore are the worst of neoliberalism with an anti-inmigrant twist.

I think what Restore Britain want to do is much more moderate than what many of the fringe online right say they will do. It’s wishful thinking on their part. There’s no appetite for their desires. From what I read, Reform Britain want immigrants who come here to be self-sufficient tax payers who speak English, obey the law and respect our traditions. That means deporting foreign criminals and ending benefits for immigrants, making staying here less desirable. Realistically, the country is pretty much bankrupt, so these sorts of policies are going to become mainstream anyway. I’m much more concerned about actual bankruptsy, a need to call in the IMF and the IMF telling us we can’t have an NHS any more.

Lowe hasn't pushed back on these claims though has he? And his own stated plans go further than you are saying.

It's like pre the American election lots of people were saying "oh Trump would never do that, he doesn't mean X, he can't do Y even if he wanted" and now some of them are complaining that he's done those things and it hurt their businesses etc.

I’ve got an anecdote that might make you think on. A friend of mine is a CEO and his company offered work experience. He had met 2 young lads outside of the job who expressed an interest in the work experience. White working class. He had them in and quietly supplied them with lunch every day because they had no money for food. His HR department pushed back hard because these kids weren’t on the list of those who ‘should’ have been offered that work experience. So, good on him, he pushed back harder because those kids were disadvantaged in the extreme. HR departments are stuffed with people who would no more give a white working class boy a chance than they would eat a plate of dog shit.

And if he doesn't do what the fringe online right think he will do, then you are going to get some voters who put their faith in him and feel let down and lied to. And the cycle repeats. It's not responsible to allow people to think you are going to be very extreme just to get their votes even if it isn't direct lying.

I don’t think Elon Musk or Lowe are opposed to Green Energy because it is “woke”. They are opposed to it because their power hungry/all water consuming AI wet dream/get rich quickly/dominate the thick manosphere minions and get the women childbearing their genes instead with no rights, simply suits their male narcissism towards Musk Emperor God status and kingdom of Mars. It is not enough to be the richest man, because you have to conquer space too to live forever Such is the psychopathy of the new class of super rich.
So the earth would have to first freeze over following a meteorite strike before I would vote for them. Would rather hold my nose and vote Labour or Tory.

TBF Musk supports green energy subsidies when they are paid to him. He just oppses them being paid to anyone else.

He’s not a Trump and it’s not his job to comment on every deranged zoomer who latches onto his party as the next best thing. They’ll likely have a new favourite next year as the right continues to fragment and they realise he won’t deliver. Everything I've seen is about economics and constitutional structures (re-empowering parliament). I’ve seen him in the Public Accounts Committee and he’s really incisive. Not like Farage, who doesn’t turn up to Parliament or his constituency and seems to think making his jingoistic soundbite constitutes ‘work’. Lowe’s daughter-in-law is an Italian with a Tunisian father. I simply don’t believe he’s interested in ethnicity / race at all.