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To think there is no genuine reason a 40-year-old man would be interested in a 22-year-old?

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Frequency · Yesterday 12:00

DD is online dating again and is messaging with a 40-year-old man. She is utterly convinced that he is interested in her as a person and that he is a genuine man. They like the same music, attend the same concerts, play the same games, and follow the same anime series.

I believe there are only 2 reasons a man this age would be interested in a 22-year-old.

  1. He wants the kudos of bedding a woman in their 20s.

  2. There is something wrong with him, and women his own age are too old and wise to tolerate his bullshit, so he needs to target women too young to know better.

For context, I am 44, and the idea of dating one of DD's mates is horrifying. I like them well enough. I'll happily sit and have a drink with them or a night out with them, but some of the things they say and do are childish and irritating, and I'd sooner gouge out my eyeballs with a rusty spork than be in a committed relationship with one of them.

According to DD, he works full-time and owns his own home, so he is not a basement-dwelling incel.

He wants to take her out for dinner on Monday. She's told him she's on her period, and he says that's fine, they're only going for dinner, and he doesn't want sex with her on their first date. He wants to get to know her. I don't believe him, but it's convinced DD even more that he is genuine.

OP posts:
TigerRag · Yesterday 13:44

When I was 25 someone who was 37 asked me out. After being told no, he kept harassing me to meet up to talk. (We'd been on a date which I didn't enjoy and I couldn't see it going anywhere) He tried it on again a few months later

A mutual friend told me he has a girlfriend. I had suspected this and he claimed they weren't together

shihtzuu · Yesterday 13:46

She told him probably because she was worried he'd want sex. F*cking on the first date is very much a term on ssocial media (I hate the term!!) and many women think men expect it, idk if they do because I've only had one boyfriend. She's probably setting firm boundaries that he shouldn't expect sex which is what we do so I find it odd other women commenting that shed tell him she's on her period. It's for her own comfort r and safety

Gladystheimpaler · Yesterday 13:47

I think it can be all of the above. He likes the chats with DD, fancies her, feels there is kudos in dating half his age and isn't seen as a good prospect by women the same age (I would get the ick if I dated a 40 year old who wanted to talk anime a lot)

If he is financially stable, they have lots in common and DD fancies him, then I don't see a big short term problem. Lots of young women find older men attractive. But longer term I would be asking her how she would feel if he was an infirm 80 year old, and she was a fit and healthy 60 year old who needed to care for him.

MrsLFii · Yesterday 13:47

Twisterlollies · Yesterday 12:09

He wants to take her out for dinner on Monday. She's told him she's on her period, and he says that's fine, they're only going for dinner, and he doesn't want sex with her on their first date

I can’t even imagine going into this level of detail with my mum about an upcoming date

That’s one thing but the other is how absolutely tragic it is that she feels she needs to tell him that, like she’s giving him an ‘out’ because she can’t, or won’t want to, have sex, like she thinks that’s all she’s good for and all he’s interested in. Can’t imagine ever doing that.
You listed all their interests in common op so there’s a chance they’re genuinely interested in the other as a person… but the age gap is a bit dodgy ground. It’s not as clear cut as some cases imo, because she is 22, so not white so alarming as, say, a 18/19 year old. But it’s a big gap nonetheless. Ultimately it’s not up to you and not your business.

GingerBeverage · Yesterday 13:47

Make her watch An Education.

XMissPlacedX · Yesterday 13:48

Young enough to be his daughter, yuk

ToffeeCrabApple · Yesterday 13:48

Id be a bit worried about why my DD was attracted to a much older man. Most 22 year olds would view a man that age as "old" etc.

Is her own dad around? Is she seeking a father figure? Is she a worrier/anxious type gravitating towards someone she views as a protector?

ginasevern · Yesterday 13:51

Why do middle aged men sniff around 20 year old girls? For the answer to this and more of life's little mysteries tune in next week!

Weekmindedfool · Yesterday 13:54

NoisyHiker · Yesterday 13:26

But it is not usual for the 'biologically healthy' young girl (bleurgh) to be even remotely interested in someone who, lets face it, is far past their prime. When they came on to us in bars/clubs to my group of friends the reactions ranged from raucous laughter to revulsion.

By their 40's men are well edging past their sexual and reproductive prime. If you want to look at it from a 'biology' standpoint, younger men are far fitter and their sperm quality is better. Young women can get their own money now, so I'm afriad unless you are sexy AND richer than the moon you are shit out of luck. Unless the girl is vulnerable in some way, it's not happening.

And any decent, put together men will be long into their marriages with devoted wives who adore them and children by that age.

The only people I ever see spouting this crap are washed up older men, pathetically chasing after women they couldn't even have gotten when they were 20, because they hope they are too young and naive to see what an old fool they are.

errmm it’s incredibly common for younger women to b attracted to older men - money, stability, maturity. Any number of reasons. I personally know of several examples from work, university and my social circle.

NoisyHiker · Yesterday 13:58

Weekmindedfool · Yesterday 13:54

errmm it’s incredibly common for younger women to b attracted to older men - money, stability, maturity. Any number of reasons. I personally know of several examples from work, university and my social circle.

Sure thing sugar...whatever you need to believe to get you through the day.

Weekmindedfool · Yesterday 13:58

NoisyHiker · Yesterday 13:42

Those are celebrities, very good looking men, far above the average. There are probably older female celebs that some young boys have a crush on, doesn't mean they'd be interested in an actual relationship or chasing a middle aged woman. As it should be.

I doubt you'd have been lusting after the balding, paunchy specimens who used to lurk in the clubs, thinking they have the world to offer young girls.

No, and presumably the man OP dd is going out with isn’t like that either? But are you actually saying as long as they are rich, successful and attractive then it’s ok?

Weekmindedfool · Yesterday 14:00

NoisyHiker · Yesterday 13:58

Sure thing sugar...whatever you need to believe to get you through the day.

Well, how will I ever respond to such a cutting and insightful rebuke…

Allseeingallknowing · Yesterday 14:01

ToffeeCrabApple · Yesterday 13:48

Id be a bit worried about why my DD was attracted to a much older man. Most 22 year olds would view a man that age as "old" etc.

Is her own dad around? Is she seeking a father figure? Is she a worrier/anxious type gravitating towards someone she views as a protector?

A fat wallet?

SylvanMoon · Yesterday 14:04

If they've only been meeting virtually so far, how certain is your DD that this man is actually not in fact married? Or does that prospect not bother her?

Frequency · Yesterday 14:04

Weekmindedfool · Yesterday 13:54

errmm it’s incredibly common for younger women to b attracted to older men - money, stability, maturity. Any number of reasons. I personally know of several examples from work, university and my social circle.

Her reasons for giving him the time of day, when I asked, are:

He is attractive
He likes all the same things as her
He is financially stable in a way men her own age aren't, which means if it does go further, travel, festivals, holidays, etc., are not out of his budget in the way they were with her ex.

I know her previous boyfriend's lack of financial resources was a big source of frustration for her. She wanted (and could afford) weekends away, to attend big festivals, etc., and he couldn't afford to go with her.

So, his wallet is a factor, but not in the way people are thinking. DD's dad left her very well provided for when he passed away.

OP posts:
NoisyHiker · Yesterday 14:07

Weekmindedfool · Yesterday 14:00

Well, how will I ever respond to such a cutting and insightful rebuke…

With an inane comment perhaps?

Youhadrambledonfor18pages · Yesterday 14:11

shihtzuu · Yesterday 13:46

She told him probably because she was worried he'd want sex. F*cking on the first date is very much a term on ssocial media (I hate the term!!) and many women think men expect it, idk if they do because I've only had one boyfriend. She's probably setting firm boundaries that he shouldn't expect sex which is what we do so I find it odd other women commenting that shed tell him she's on her period. It's for her own comfort r and safety

Edited

Rather than say she’s on her period (which implies she’d otherwise be ok with it) she can just say she doesn’t sleep with people on the first date, or even longer.

TheSquashyHatofMrGnosspelius · Yesterday 14:12

SplendidUtterly · Yesterday 12:15

Why on earth did she feel the need to tell him she was on her period?

This. I was shocked at this. She is saying she is up for it any other week of the month.

Shatteredallthetimelately · Yesterday 14:12

Have you asked why your 22 year old DD would be interested in a 40 year old man?

She is looking for sex rather than commitment, as far as I can tell, although she's not said that outright to me (but who would admit that to their mum?). As her mum, I hate this, but she is a consenting adult, and she is able to give informed consent. She seems to be after a friends-with-benefits type arrangement.

That's the answer to your question ..can't see how you can suggest its to do with the man.
She's putting herself out their and you've said in your post above she's after sex without commitment.

She's told him she's on her period, and he says that's fine, they're only going for dinner, and he doesn't want sex with her on their first date.

Not even had a date and she's telling him that.
TBF she's the one that sounds like she's gagging for it.

missmollygreen · Yesterday 14:15

Frequency · Yesterday 12:00

DD is online dating again and is messaging with a 40-year-old man. She is utterly convinced that he is interested in her as a person and that he is a genuine man. They like the same music, attend the same concerts, play the same games, and follow the same anime series.

I believe there are only 2 reasons a man this age would be interested in a 22-year-old.

  1. He wants the kudos of bedding a woman in their 20s.

  2. There is something wrong with him, and women his own age are too old and wise to tolerate his bullshit, so he needs to target women too young to know better.

For context, I am 44, and the idea of dating one of DD's mates is horrifying. I like them well enough. I'll happily sit and have a drink with them or a night out with them, but some of the things they say and do are childish and irritating, and I'd sooner gouge out my eyeballs with a rusty spork than be in a committed relationship with one of them.

According to DD, he works full-time and owns his own home, so he is not a basement-dwelling incel.

He wants to take her out for dinner on Monday. She's told him she's on her period, and he says that's fine, they're only going for dinner, and he doesn't want sex with her on their first date. He wants to get to know her. I don't believe him, but it's convinced DD even more that he is genuine.

Your 22yo DD is interested in a 40 yo man, is it really such a stretch to believe that a 40yo man can be interested in her as a person as well?

She is an adult, not 16.
She can vote, buy a house, get married, have children, go to war... literally everything.

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 14:20

This sounds like the plot for the new Nicola Walker series, Alice and Steve.

Gladystheimpaler · Yesterday 14:24

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 14:20

This sounds like the plot for the new Nicola Walker series, Alice and Steve.

Yes! I thought it was going to be a hypothetical based on that series! I have had a massive crush on Jemaine Clement since Flight of the Conchords, so I wouldn't be thinking twice about dating him if I were 22 🤣

user1476613140 · Yesterday 14:25

SplendidUtterly · Yesterday 12:15

Why on earth did she feel the need to tell him she was on her period?

This. Completely not necessary. Over sharing at its finest!

Gladystheimpaler · Yesterday 14:27

NoisyHiker · Yesterday 13:58

Sure thing sugar...whatever you need to believe to get you through the day.

As a young women I was insanely attracted to older men. As a grown woman I'd now get the ick if a guy only dated half his age, but if it was a one-off connection I don't have a problem. The devil's in the pattern I think.

Gealach · Yesterday 14:27

@missmollygreen Yes she is legally an adult but she lacks life experience. She is still discovering who is she is her brain is still developing. This creates a power imbalance against a 40 year old and the concern would be that this is what this man wants - power over someone.