To think that Starmer must regret taking the knee for George Floyd?

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Surely public figures must realise that making empty performative gestures will come back to haunt them at some point?

Lol you lot couldn't even say hello without being hypocrites.

You quite literally champion convicted thugs, woman beaters, paedophile supporters (if not outright paedos) and sexual abusers while harping on about standing up for British values and protecting woman and children 😅

George Floyd’s past was certainly unsavoury.

But that doesn’t mean that you should accept his murder by the police.

Because when you have a police force that is allowed to act as it wants to, you end up with a police force that handcuffs dying young men through incompetence and arrogance.

I certainly don't accept what happened to George, it was bloody awful. I'm looking at all the surrounding circumstances.

Who is 'you lot' it's more than a little vague.

News flash - just because someone might criticise Starmer doesn't automatically mean they support anyone else.

The whole thing was ridiculous at the time.

Cute, so why mention it? What was your motive there?

Oh dear, where that lot come from ?

And I'm not sure which "you lot" you refer to? 🤔

No motive for posting on a thread I'm entitled to. "You lot" really do need to keep up.

This is funny, you're having a go at me telling me I'm assuming posts on here are bot posts - which I didn't say by the way, it is just well known that they are used a lot everywhere.Then you assumed that I'm far left and read the guardian and sneered at that. You are wrong on all of that. I just don't engage in this shit, just trying to get people to remember that Starmer kneeling for a minute or so is a non-event to most people. Starmer would not be described as left wing by the left, I'm pretty sure, either. Maybe not jump to conclusions so quickly from one post? That it why the world is in a mess and so easily manipulated as it is.

Have your opinion - we all have different ones and im not trying to stop that - what I'm saying is that most people don't care. About yours, or even mine. People can't expect everything to fit into their own way of thinking in life. That's completely narcissistic.

Pretty much this. “When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

Novak's death is a terrible tragedy and the murderer will hopefully rot in jail for the rest of his life. However, there is not systemic abuse of white people at the hands of the police in this country and it is ridiculous to claim otherwise. One tragic case does not make for systemic abuse or a two tier system.

Also, people need to stop comparing Henry Novak and George Floyd. The circumstances are not the same. Floyd was murdered by the police, Novak was murdered by a civilian. There was a tragic lack of judgement on the police's part in Novak's case, but the coroner ruled that Novak was beyond saving no matter what the police did. Furthermore, police have reported that it is not uncommon for people to say that they've been stabbed when arrested. Hence, the reluctance of the police to initially believe Novak.

Quite clearly the people who think like the poster I quoted in that response. You know, the one's who support the Trumps, Farages, Robinsons, Allisons of the world.

George Floyd was murdered by a police officer when he shouldn't have been. Of course that's awful. As is ANY murder or wrongful death at the hands of the State.

But it's very far away. Loads of Iranians have also been killed by their government recently. I bet there are thousands of wrongful deaths in the US that are equally abhorrent. The only difference is the publicity that it was accorded.

It's not coherent to apply that one death in the USA to policies which shape actions of public institutions in the UK which is a totally different situation. It'd be as if Putin went all weird about one murder in the US and reorganised the Russian army because of it. Or Xi Jinping. They'd look ridiculous. As does Starmer.

You're telling the wrong person I'm afraid. I advocate for balance but then again, that's why I am on the right.

A lot of people are making assumptions about people's political leanings here. I've already been accused of being left wing, and apparently from one post people can tell which newspaper I read (I don't read any one religiously, they are all shite).

Not everyone succumbed to social contagion on a US posture. I bet they’re glad they can be consistent as Rayner and Starmer’s image hasn’t aged well.

The surrounding circumstances being what, exactly?

Do you think that your past convictions should dictate whether a police officer is free to murder you?

"Cringily performative" is the best way to describe it. Not sure whether Starmer regrets making himself look like a twat, worshipping to an American drug addict, and then having to be FORCED by the Speaker of the house to even acknowledge Henry's brutal death.
And now here we are again, setting up kangaroo courts to jail people who object to police brutality. Oh and before anyone starts, I have seen the video of the disabled war veteran having shit kicked out of him by the police because his injuries make it difficult for him to move quickly.
Congrats all around to those involved 🙄

That's true.

My DH has a visceral hatred of Starmer, so he's voting Monster Raving Loony, based on the principle that there isn't a sane one among them...🙂

No but they are relevant. Uncomfortable truths apply across the spectrum - they don't just stop at the right.

He’s acknowledged the death long before America got involved?

But unlike those on the right, Starmer has respected Henry’s families wishes to be able to grieve without his death becoming a political issue.

Absolutely agree

How is it relevant?

You’re essentially saying that if you’ve got a criminal background you should accept that the police can murder you.

You sound like you need a break.

Minneapolis was the answer to your question.

Sorry I switched the order of my paras which made it unclear.

My further point was that this effect was already well-known before Starmer, ie this was somewhat predicable.

What numbers would you put on the post-Floyd defund-driven murder spike?

I mean, it's pretty hard to keep up with someone who's just randomly posting on threads with no motive tbf.

How are we supposed to know you're not making any points in your posts? But thanks for letting us all know everything you post are just mindless thoughts ☺️