Does anybody else dislike Pride?

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Does anybody else dislike Pride?

We have one in our town for the second year running, and it's just really off.

Now before I get the "don't be homophobic comments" I am very much live and let live.

It's just that it can be very adult in the middle of the day.

How about this?

What have "they" won ? Do you think they should shush now ?

Here's another one.
Just asked my hunny, a Londoner for 36 years before he moved away, if he'd ever seen a dildo or any pride people in London, as he went record buying all over central London most Saturdays. He said no.

You just can't admit that it's avoidable if you put your mind to it can you?
I doubt you live on the route of the parade.

"Hyde Park Corner, travels along Piccadilly, passes through Piccadilly Circus, goes down Haymarket, and makes its way through Trafalgar Square before ending on Whitehall".

I take it you didn't read past the headline? OK.
I thought people were saying there was a paedo flag at pride? That's why I put the link up.

Gays and lesbians have won equality in the UK, and have had it for decades.

Fair point. But also not an easy point to put across with fetish gear.

Ok then ! So you think "they" should be quiet now ?

From their point of view, I guess leather jeans with the arse cut out must be quite comfortable and quite accessible.

Yes. That article is talking about the pink, white and blue trans flag/stripes on the progress pride flag. Which isn't the flag I'm talking about.

I have no idea what Folsom Street Fair is. I wouldn’t take children to an event designed for adults, whatever those adults were wearing.

And I’m not sure that very young girls in the street dressed in barely any clothing is any more or less appropriate than bondage or fetish clothing at an adult event. I’m inclined to think it’s worse, because it’s more likely girls will come to think that’s expected or appropriate attire.

No, but they've earned the right to live quietly and peacefully like the majority of people, and not cause a fuss.

That doesn’t address the question at all. It’s a distraction.

It also contains a demonstrably false and dangerous claim:

”MAPs or their supposed flag are not connected to the LGBTQ community in any way.”

Compare:

”MAPs are not connected to the Catholic community in any way”

”MAPs are not connected to the teaching profession in any way”

”MAPs are not connected to the Scout movement in any way”

Do you make such a claim?

I kind of disagree. Back in the day sexuality was treated as sexual deviancy and it was things like leather/ skinhead subcultures (which are sexual subcultures) that brought clear visibility and were also clear targets for homophobia. It isn't surprising that those groups should be visible given that they have been there from the start, protesting.

I think they jumped the shark with that one. It didn’t happen.

Pride is partly a celebration of progress, partly a recognition of the struggles that got us here, and partly a reminder that legal rights don't automatically eliminate prejudice.

We're teetering towards a far right Reform government and equality in the law could easily be stripped.

There are still homophobic attacks, gay people still have to check whether its safe and legal to travel abroad and still get verbally abused in the street e.g. if holding hands with their partner.

Nobody in their right mind could object to that. Why, then, has it morphed into guys in leather gear pulling gimps on leashes, men with bare arses hanging out of chaps, hideously made up drag queens, and these Furry oddballs?

So no need to celebrate or commemorate past struggles off they pop to "be quiet" .

They really haven’t.
In the UK, it is estimated that about 40% to 50% of LGBTQ+ individuals experience some form of homophobic or biphobic discrimination, harassment, or abuse. Despite significant legal advancements, many gay people still face prejudice in daily life, with a large majority of incidents going unreported.

Approximately 45% to 55% of lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) students experience homophobic or transphobic bullying in British schools. For transgender students alone, this victimization rate is significantly higher, at nearly 64%. These statistics mean LGBT+ pupils are twice as likely to be bullied as their non-LGBT+ peers.

Verbal Abuse: Roughly 86% to 99% of LGB students regularly hear homophobic language, such as "that’s so gay," used in school.

Severe Cases: In recent years, organizations have reported spikes in extreme anti-LGBT+ incidents requiring suspensions or exclusions.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjpx7rnredo

General Statistics: Research indicates that LGBTQ+ youth are over 4-5 times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual peers. Surveys consistently show that around 1 in 4 LGBTQ+ youth reports making a past suicide attempt, and up to nearly half experience serious suicidal thoughts.

Research shows that LGBTQ+ young people are disproportionately affected by mental health issues. In the UK, gay and LGBT+ youth are twice as likely to experience depression and anxiety disorders than their heterosexual peers, often driven by experiences of discrimination, bullying, and a fear of societal rejection.

Equality- I think not!

Why would threads about child safeguarding and education, public safety vs religious exemptions and not having men parading their nethers and dildos on a public march make you feel so veeeeery uneasy....?

Are you against discussing those topics? Why?

As a proportion of the abuse against LGB comes from the TQ+, you might need to break your figures down a bit further to be meaningful.

For example, the lesbian groups vilified and banned from Pride marches because, well, they only fancy women. I think we should have sympathy for them. The TQ+ people leading the demand for the bans, not so much.

No thanks, really not going to split hairs. Basically life can be pretty shit for gay children and young people. Having had a gay child who has tried to take his life multiple times and had his mental health/ life ruined by homophobia within education and the NHS I am assure you the gay community deserve pride and have not won equality.

Well said.

As women we should protect those women who are experiencing coercive rape by the T.

But you've effectively done exactly that here:

"Gays and lesbians have won equality in the UK, and have had it for decades."

That was clearly in response to the question of why Pride still exists.

The leather community has been part of Pride since the beginning. You may find that aspect distasteful, but not everything at Pride is intended to appeal to everyone. People tend to fixate on a small section of the parade/event and ignore everything else that's there: LGBT police officers, NHS staff, community groups, sports clubs, youth organisations, charities, veterans, religious groups and countless others.

Yes, there are parts of some Pride events that involve fetish communities, and there is probably a legitimate discussion to be had about furries (I dont know any personally, and thanfkully but they aren't a gay thing it's a subculture that's likely latched on and hasn't been challenged sufficiciently but again I've been to a lot of Prides and they are very much in the minority)

Points about school and workplaces are very much taken, but where legally are gay and lesbian folk not equal?

A hell of a lot of 'yes, but no, but yes, but not that, but hardly ever that, and only some of that, but no, none of that....' Admit it, Gay Pride has spiralled into something it was never meant to be and be honest, it must horrify some of you.