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Does anybody else dislike Pride?

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coulditbeme2323 · Today 13:12

Does anybody else dislike Pride?

We have one in our town for the second year running, and it's just really off.

Now before I get the "don't be homophobic comments" I am very much live and let live.

It's just that it can be very adult in the middle of the day.

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Magp13 · Today 16:41

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · Today 16:28

I just don’t see where ‘pride’ comes into it. Does anyone ever say they’re ‘proud’ to be heterosexual? So why should anyone be proud to be gay/bi/trans, whatever. They just ARE.

When you’ve had a gay child who has been horrifically bullied throughout school for being gay day in and day out with daily continuous derogatory homophobic language on top you might understand the importance of Pride and why many young gay teenagers just AREN’T. Homosexual teenagers don’t need to be encouraged to value their sexuality because they aren’t subjected to homophobia which is widespread and increasing.

ClaudiaWankleman · Today 16:41

PercyPigsAreOverRated · Today 16:34

Well i didn't make it up. There was a stall selling loads of different flags . Some I recognised, some i didnt. I asked my (adult) DC what they all were. They told me once of them was the MAP flag. I didn't take a photo. I don't know why I'd need a photo of a load of flags.

I don't care if you don't believe me. That's what happened. And whilst my DC hate pride month, we'll probably go to the festival again this year. Because there's usually some decent music. If they were still children I wouldn't go anywhere near it. Because it's not appropriate for children.

Take a picture this year when you don't see it!

vezesez · Today 16:44

Happyjoe · Today 16:28

Again, with the comprehension issue on your behalf, or are you just hell bent on trying to point score? Jury is out.

You didn't mention London on our run of conversation until later To which I said I'd never been.. but did show a route, so could be avoided. I had been talking about many many other pride festivals, and even London has a set route. Had you mentioned London at the start and about many people walking around/on the tube, I would've probably conceded as I had not seen it.

Mind you, I can point out that I have lived in 3 areas of London and not seen anything to do with Pride at all in all the years I have lived there. Quite easy to avoid then isn't it? I managed to not happen across anyone with a dildo.

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No you said "Don't like it, don't go.
You don't just stumble across pride events. They have huge bloody floats with people on them, full of colour, noise and really loud music. To be close enough to see someone with a dildo means that you've made a decision to stay and stay close to watch.

That statement it blatantly untrue. It doesn’t matter that it was London that proved you wrong.

You snipped back about Londoners and centre of the universe crap.

I don’t care where you have lived, it’s not about you. It's about the fact that SOME people can’t avoid it.

You are very into your own experiences and can’t seem to see that blanket statements such as your post above do not look at things from ALL points of view.

SOME people can avoid it and SOME people can’t.
In light of this fact, men parading around in fetish gear and woman facing is not something SOME people/children should be forced to view.

Happyjoe · Today 16:45

GeneralPeter · Today 16:35

I’m not sure it’s actually illegal to be a paedophile rights club.

I’m not making any claim about whether there was such a club at Pride. No idea.

But Surrey police were uncomfortably close to Stephen Ireland and the chief constable was a personal supporter of him, as well as of course the institutional alignment of police to Pride events. That chief constable is now head of the police chiefs council.

This might explain any police reluctance to look too closely.

This sort of thing is why I don’t think police should align themselves with any group or cause.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/the-progress-pride-flag-adds-representation-for-transgender-and-people-of-color-idUSL1N37S2DT/

Happyjoe · Today 16:46

vezesez · Today 16:44

No you said "Don't like it, don't go.
You don't just stumble across pride events. They have huge bloody floats with people on them, full of colour, noise and really loud music. To be close enough to see someone with a dildo means that you've made a decision to stay and stay close to watch.

That statement it blatantly untrue. It doesn’t matter that it was London that proved you wrong.

You snipped back about Londoners and centre of the universe crap.

I don’t care where you have lived, it’s not about you. It's about the fact that SOME people can’t avoid it.

You are very into your own experiences and can’t seem to see that blanket statements such as your post above do not look at things from ALL points of view.

SOME people can avoid it and SOME people can’t.
In light of this fact, men parading around in fetish gear and woman facing is not something SOME people/children should be forced to view.

Am sorry you lack the ability to avoid Pride in London.

vezesez · Today 16:47

Happyjoe · Today 16:46

Am sorry you lack the ability to avoid Pride in London.

I’ll take that as an admission that you made a ridiculously untrue statement because I guess you can’t admit it after 5 posts pointing it out.

AlternateLook · Today 16:47

Magp13 · Today 16:41

When you’ve had a gay child who has been horrifically bullied throughout school for being gay day in and day out with daily continuous derogatory homophobic language on top you might understand the importance of Pride and why many young gay teenagers just AREN’T. Homosexual teenagers don’t need to be encouraged to value their sexuality because they aren’t subjected to homophobia which is widespread and increasing.

What? The last paragraph makes no sense...

Ilovelurchers · Today 16:48

coulditbeme2323 · Today 13:37

Let me be clear, for those that are getting their knickers in a twist.

Being gay fine.
Pride events fine.
Marching with a rainbow flag and your "love is love" poster also fine.

In bondage gear being walked on a lead at 2pm on a town center not fine.

It's hard to see how anybody sensible would disagree with that.

Your original post says "Does anybody else dislike Pride?"

Now you are saying Pride events are fine?

It's almost like you wrote your first post as a deliberate attempt to be inflammatory and offensive......

I imagine the majority of posters don't particularly want to see a guy in bondage gear at 2pm, unless he's their partner and it's in their bedroom and that's what they're in to.....

But objecting to a few specific outfits at Pride is totally different to "disliking Pride".

Happyjoe · Today 16:49

vezesez · Today 16:47

I’ll take that as an admission that you made a ridiculously untrue statement because I guess you can’t admit it after 5 posts pointing it out.

Admission of what?

Sorry you lack the ability to avoid Pride in London when many Londoners have the ability to.
Yes, let's cancel Pride because you cannot work out how to avoid it. 😅

PercyPigsAreOverRated · Today 16:51

What's the progress pride flag got to do with it?

AlternateLook · Today 16:51

Ilovelurchers · Today 16:48

Your original post says "Does anybody else dislike Pride?"

Now you are saying Pride events are fine?

It's almost like you wrote your first post as a deliberate attempt to be inflammatory and offensive......

I imagine the majority of posters don't particularly want to see a guy in bondage gear at 2pm, unless he's their partner and it's in their bedroom and that's what they're in to.....

But objecting to a few specific outfits at Pride is totally different to "disliking Pride".

It's because Pride has become that. Leather Joy Boys with grown men on leashes, and their arse hanging out of chaps.

Magp13 · Today 16:51

AlternateLook · Today 16:47

What? The last paragraph makes no sense...

Yep should have read heterosexual . Can’t edit it now so stand by for multiple posts saying what you just did.

vezesez · Today 16:52

Happyjoe · Today 16:49

Admission of what?

Sorry you lack the ability to avoid Pride in London when many Londoners have the ability to.
Yes, let's cancel Pride because you cannot work out how to avoid it. 😅

Admission that what you wrote was blatantly untrue.

You can’t can you?

Your passive aggressive sorry’s are really showing you up in a bad way

AlternateLook · Today 16:52

Magp13 · Today 16:51

Yep should have read heterosexual . Can’t edit it now so stand by for multiple posts saying what you just did.

You can ask for it to be deleted, and you can repost it.

ArabellaScott · Today 16:52

ClaudiaWankleman · Today 16:41

Take a picture this year when you don't see it!

This is it, for anyone looking out for these things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MAPs_Pride_Flag.svg

File:MAPs Pride Flag.svg - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MAPs_Pride_Flag.svg

MistressoftheDarkSide · Today 16:56

Just as an aside, threads on here today include two questioning pride events, with this one including a "demonic" for interesting measure, one about Sikh religious exemptions (obviously a follow on from recent tragic and wholly wrong events) and now one about specifically Roma and traveller children being taken out of school. I smell a pattern. And it's making me veeeeery uneasy....

dolorsit · Today 16:58

I always thought that the kink/fetish communities were really big on informed consent? Involving other people in your kink even just as an onlooker was considered a big no no.

The only exception to this was generally the exhibitionists who get their rocks off by shocking onlookers. However this was at a time when marching in leather chaps and little else would have generally been considered shocking enough. The poor exhibitionists have their work cut out if even the human pups are now considered acceptable. 😂

coulditbeme2323 · Today 16:58

MistressoftheDarkSide · Today 16:56

Just as an aside, threads on here today include two questioning pride events, with this one including a "demonic" for interesting measure, one about Sikh religious exemptions (obviously a follow on from recent tragic and wholly wrong events) and now one about specifically Roma and traveller children being taken out of school. I smell a pattern. And it's making me veeeeery uneasy....

Or there might be truth to what people are telling you.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · Today 17:03

CasperGutman · Today 15:26

Sorry, that could have been MUCH clearer. Saying "the whole point" was a poor choice of words, and I wasn't referring specifically to anything relating to bondage or children, let alone both.

I meant that part of the point of Pride events is to take people a bit out of their comfort zones, make them feel a bit uncomfortable if you want to put it that way, and raise awareness/start conversations about lifestyles and relationships outside the mainstream.

On that basis the fact that one aspect of the event makes me feel uncomfortable isn't a good argument against it.

I meant that part of the point of Pride events is to take people a bit out of their comfort zones, make them feel a bit uncomfortable if you want to put it that way, and raise awareness/start conversations about lifestyles and relationships outside the mainstream.

Is it? I thought the point of Pride was to make people realise that gay people are normal happy people and not some kind of weird threat. Mainstream people having a good time. Hard to convey that in a gimp mask.

Trouble is, now that we've normalised homosexual relationships and (hopefully) they don't make most people uncomfortable at all, if your goal is to "make people uncomfortable" you haven't got much left. What you've got left is lifestyles and relationships that make most people uncomfortable for good reasons.

So I think you're getting Pride confused with some kind of Carnival of Fools - an upside down day of craziness and broken boundaries and then we all forget it and go back to normal.

MistressoftheDarkSide · Today 17:05

coulditbeme2323 · Today 16:58

Or there might be truth to what people are telling you.

Please define what you mean by truth?

DontBuyAnotherBook · Today 17:06

My gay brother in law hates it. He hates the making a fuss of being different when they have spent years to be treated the same.

Magp13 · Today 17:08

DontBuyAnotherBook · Today 17:06

My gay brother in law hates it. He hates the making a fuss of being different when they have spent years to be treated the same.

Well then he can avoid it. It’s hugely beneficial to many.

DontBuyAnotherBook · Today 17:08

Magp13 · Today 17:08

Well then he can avoid it. It’s hugely beneficial to many.

He does.

ClaudiaWankleman · Today 17:09

AmaryllisNightAndDay · Today 17:03

I meant that part of the point of Pride events is to take people a bit out of their comfort zones, make them feel a bit uncomfortable if you want to put it that way, and raise awareness/start conversations about lifestyles and relationships outside the mainstream.

Is it? I thought the point of Pride was to make people realise that gay people are normal happy people and not some kind of weird threat. Mainstream people having a good time. Hard to convey that in a gimp mask.

Trouble is, now that we've normalised homosexual relationships and (hopefully) they don't make most people uncomfortable at all, if your goal is to "make people uncomfortable" you haven't got much left. What you've got left is lifestyles and relationships that make most people uncomfortable for good reasons.

So I think you're getting Pride confused with some kind of Carnival of Fools - an upside down day of craziness and broken boundaries and then we all forget it and go back to normal.

To insert myself into your conversation -

The point of Pride events (at least the ones with long histories) was always that they were protests against the unfair mistreatment of LGBT people. The two aren't mutually exclusive, but this is different from 'make people realise that gay people are normal happy people and not some kind of weird threat.'

AlternateLook · Today 17:10

DontBuyAnotherBook · Today 17:06

My gay brother in law hates it. He hates the making a fuss of being different when they have spent years to be treated the same.

Not only that, what's the point now of the extravagant parades? They've won now, they're equal in everything, and probably even favoured in some cases. It's just a brash, over the top, garish soiree of bad taste and indulgence now.

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