To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

[Jane379]

I KNOW that plenty of the men who come are not evil and don't want to commit sexual assault. But clearly a number who have come are, and there's strong evidence that male migrants are disproportionately lileky to do so.

This almost surely at least partly caused by misogynistic culture in various areas meaning back home they perceived uncovered women as permissible to assault. But surely they know it's different here? That they will likely be caught? They are at least more likely to be punished here for assault.

Or are they convinced our police system will let them off?

Or they're not aware our norms are different?

Or just don't care about the consequences?

I wonder also if criminals are in a sense selected for since they may have little to tie them to their home countries, or even be escaping punishment there.

Yes, look at misogyny in white British culture for instance. Women and girls are treated like crap. Raped. Abused. Murdered. The police do rock all about it and perpetrators, in the unlikely event they are brought to justice, get incredibly lenient sentences. Massive cultural problem.

Because the narrative goes that if you don't agree then you are obviously far right and racist.

Because the system is incredibly male centric. And women and girls as collateral as a kind of vetting system is not important.

Absolutely - but its a reflection of many factors:

• malnutrition affecting development
• poor education
• western testing methods

Its not necessarily a reflection of underlying potential/capacity, its focussed on a very academic system.

Well - you do you and ignore all the data, information etc on Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Please note I am specifically discussing the state of affairs there in this instance and not the rights/wrongs of immigration.

You could hold 2 thoughts in your head at once if you tried - maybe.

Posts like this are such a trigger for me, it makes me feel like being abused as a child by a white english man is minimised, that its only migrants who do such things. The problem is men.

Then you need to reframe because people are allowed to discuss other types of sexual offending despite your sad experience, which I’m sorry to hear of.

I know! Its a left wing bloody fantasy where the whole world thinks like elite, educated ,progressive ,white people. Its hilarious and tragic as I used to think the same way before actually living in a few of the countries and coming back so grateful that I was born a woman in the west and not in those hell holes!

I’m perfectly capable of holding 2 thoughts but that does not mean this. Afghan men are hideously misogynistic and their country comes out time and time and time again as the worst in the world for women who are treated like dirt. I make NO apologies for blaming THE MEN for how THE WOMEN are treated.

And yes they are cowards who ran away when given the best opportunity to defend their country that they had ever had. Because they don’t give a shit.

We are not importing people ffs - they’re not cattle -,with asylum we are meeting our obligations under UNCHR, other international laws, and even abiding by our own case law on the matter.

I mean I could go on and say we hardly helped matters in Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq lately but that’s too big a concept here I think.

If you’re talking about legal migration we are still not ‘importing’ - people apply to come here, for various reasons, and they are granted entry or refused.

Yes we do need to integrate people better.

How dare they shout at you for having a dog! If they want to live here, they should accept that the British love dogs and other pets. The country has been too soft, they should be made to learn and accept the culture here. As for sleazing on women to the point nobody walks alone, just disgusting.

Backwards culture incompatible with the west. There are European nations who do have clear per capita state on SA. The data is clear. I think we have data here as well.

People need to stop ignoring the issue that exists.

We should never have invaded any countries in the ME. I feel desperately sorry for the women and children, and some of the men, but we can’t turn the clock back. Thankfully the govt seem to have got the memo with their lack of action in Iran. But that doesn’t mean we should open the floodgates and allow the entire population of Afghanistan to come here.

This simply is not true - many Afghan men have been desperate to get their female relatives out of there.

It is also pretty impossible to go against the Taliban - it’s not the French resistance in WW2 supported by many other countries. No other country troubles about the place do they.

Yes, the stats sound appalling - the Taliban themselves are responsible for how it is there mainly - and there is nothing much any resistors to the regime can do about it.

You seem to have a real issue with Afghan men - no other nationalities? we promised their safety when they helped us in the war though so there’s that to consider. They are not all bad - no group is - integration could be trialled - many people have asked about Homes for Afghans similar to Homes for Ukrainians but that was never picked up by the government- that may have helped.

It’s a very male centric system and laws exist to ensure they can get here at the same time as many policies trying to stop them.

There’s a vast profit made too, listening to a piece on this rn on R4, women compelled to have sex to pay for passage.

And if the response is more safe routes then some idea of how many places should be offered to meet the demand for how many would like to be here.

Why would I have problems with nationalities which don’t treat women like scum?

You can make any excuses you want, they’re hollow and we all know it.

I agree on invasions. We wouldn’t be letting the entire population in though - the Taliban are quite happy there - most of the world’s refugees remain in bordering countries - actually not every single Afghan looking to go to Europe would come here.

This simply is not true - many Afghan men have been desperate to get their female relatives out of there.

I honestly can’t listen to another second of these desperate phony lies, because it’s actually making me very angry.

This.
I cannot understand why father, brother, uncle, son, allow this happen to their female family members. I can only assume they think that it works, it benefits them, it entitles the to use and hurt women outside of their family and sometimes in families, uncle buying young niece for marriage. Absolutely stomach churning.
The amount of children being trafficked from these countries around Europe now is equally disturbing.

Precisely. I think it was Denmark who released information on their stats on SA recently, and the results are entirely predictable.

Yes.

Very very disturbing things happened to British captives in the hands of the Taliban that have never really been published.

Not to mention aid workers also kidnapped.

Yet their own men, in their numbers, are ‘too scared’ apparently

People on MN see this data and ignore it completely.

They’re lost, frankly.

I actually think migration is a global problem that should be addressed globally. We have to understand it will not stop - humans have always migrated plus there are wars and also the climate is making some places uninhabitable (reasons not for debate here).

This is obviously a naive hopeless idea I just daydream about, so in reality yes every country has to consider details of migration- hopefully some can work together.

I also think governments of every shade should be more honest about immigration- reasons, facts (the illegal asylum claimants really does grind my gears for eg).

Hatred is useful for rich and/or powerful people - it sows division and stops anyone looking at what they are doing.

I despise the hatred - I will never accept that an asylum claimant doing an abhorrent crime means folk should gather round other hotels being vile, attempt to break in, and even set fire to them.

Protest properly against the government- against the fat cats making the money off it.

Whilst this hatred and division continues there will never be a rational discussion as people are polarised and either side of debate feels nearly obliged to defend it beyond even reason at times.

Interesting survey here of 71 experts on causes of tested IQ group difference. Very few researchers think it’s either 100% nature or 100% nurture.

“Education was rated… as the most important cause of international ability differences. Genes were rated as the second most relevant factor but also had the highest variability in ratings. Culture, health, wealth, modernization, and politics were the next most important factors, whereas other factors such as geography, climate, test bias, and sampling error were less important.“

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4804158/