To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

[Jane379]

I KNOW that plenty of the men who come are not evil and don't want to commit sexual assault. But clearly a number who have come are, and there's strong evidence that male migrants are disproportionately lileky to do so.

This almost surely at least partly caused by misogynistic culture in various areas meaning back home they perceived uncovered women as permissible to assault. But surely they know it's different here? That they will likely be caught? They are at least more likely to be punished here for assault.

Or are they convinced our police system will let them off?

Or they're not aware our norms are different?

Or just don't care about the consequences?

I wonder also if criminals are in a sense selected for since they may have little to tie them to their home countries, or even be escaping punishment there.

What is the strong evidence

Asking this too.

Are they much more likely to be punished?

Maybe they heard that less than 5% of reported rapes are prosecuted here?

Some men, no matter their culture or colour, are rapists. Plenty are home-grown and have white skin and blond hair.

They don't know that it is different here, who do you think is educating them? Most women's first sexual encounter is as s child, but very few men are charged with child sexual offences. Even for people who migrate here,there's no support groups to teach a lot of things. Life in our prisons, is better than what they face, as a asylum seeker etc.

The problem is men.

That these men arrived from elsewhere makes little difference. Because they are mainly young men they are more likely to commit violent or sexual offences.

You don't think that when someone grows up with societal norms, it doesn't become ingrained, or accepted? When child marriage and by extension child sexual abuse, is a societal norm, then that becomes your norm.

There is zero credible evidence to support that view. Henry Fudge recently did a video that shows that once you standardise the data to account for ages and socioeconomic background the offending rates of British and migrants males are virtually identical.

Lewis Aaron also has an ongoing series that shows the figures put out by the centre for migration control, and quoted by the likes of GB News, have been falsified to support a narrative.

They do know it’s different here otherwise they would be raping women in the middle of the day in the supermarket. It’s kept secret, hidden away, done in the dark. I do agree that most women’s first sexual assault expirienced as a child.

Please support your claim with evidence or admit that you simply made it up to support your racist narrative.

You may as well remove the migrant part, because the question is really 'why do men...?'. Because it's always men. The news is just a long list of crimes men commit.

Men have proved time and time again that many of them are more than capable of violence against women and girls. No matter what corner of the world you are in or what colour men are, they do this vile shit. Religion or etc is just an extra excuse for the misogyny engrained into our societies. Men don't need religion to uphold patriarchy and misogyny. You only need to think about the Gisele Pelicot case to realise this.

This is the most authoratative data I could find on prision populations, and will likely be the source most news agencies used for their stories on it (looking at the paywalled Telegraph article and the free LBC one) https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

I think More or Less have covered this a couple of times, there isn't any evidence, let along strong evidence, that male migrants are disproportionately likely to commit sexual offences. Maybe give it a listen @Jane379 ?

A common mistake this it made is not to compare like with like, for instance male migrants are usually young, and younger males in general are more likely to commit sexual offences than older men, so you need to compare against younger British offenders, not all ages of male offenders.

The recent claims by Annunziata Rees-Mogg used figures from Dorset Police that were shown to be completely wrong (an AI hallucination, apparently)

Absolutely. Yes, it is men. But within the demographic of 'men', there are cultural and social differences for sub-demographics that mean sexual or domestic violence is more or less common.

For men who grow up in regions where women being treated as less than men is normal, with laws meaning that marital rape, spousal abuse, financial control etc are acceptable behaviours, it makes sense that they're going to be more prone to that. Equally, if they grow up in a sub-culture that normalises abuse and violence, despite the laws of the country not supporting that behaviour.

For instance, sexual abuse is seemingly (it's hard to get data because it's generally hidden and not spoken of) highly prevalent amongst Amish communities. I would imagine that the 'traditional' lifestyle and ingrained misogyny of that sub-culture, along with its isolation from wider society, has something to do with that.

And I imagine (for instance) Russian men, and men from many Middle Eastern cultures, have higher rates of sexual or domestic violence and misogynistic behaviours because of the laws and values within the societies they come from.

To pretend otherwise is silly. You can acknowledge that some societies are markedly more misogynistic than others, and at higher risk of enacting sexual or domestic violence, without absolving white British men of the sexual and domestic violence that they also engage in.

There is zero credible evidence to support that view. Henry Fudge recently did a video that shows that once you standardise the data to account for ages and socioeconomic background the offending rates of British and migrants males are virtually identical

I don’t think the OP was disputing that aspect though? I’m certainly not, without stats, I would have guessed the numbers were the same and it’s just a make thing at its core.

However, my read of what the OP was asking was - why do migrant men (where it’s accepted present no greater risk than white males) offend when the punishment will be greater for them.

So, non-migrant men will commit sexual assault, and if punished, it’s usually a slight tap on the hand and then back to societal life as usual (very sadly).

Yet, for migrant men who commit sexual assault, if punished, will get the slight tap on the hand, and then be deported (well, that’s the way it works where I am in Aus).

Yet, as you point out the numbers of each group seem equal which defies common sense as you would think the stats for migrant men would be lower than equal to non-migrant men, given they face so much more to lose if punished, so it would act as a deterrent, but it dies’t seem to. I believe that’s the question OP was putting forward.

I think it depends on the person. Like most criminals, many of them just aren't very bright, have poor impulse control, and don't stop to consider the consequences. Some probably think they won't be caught or that they can lie their way out of trouble. They may not fully expect the crime will be taken seriously, if they come from a sub-culture where it may be considered acceptable to assault certain women (those not dressed 'modestly' or not of the 'correct' faith).

Why do I get the feeling "virtually" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here? 🤔

and anyway, this misses the point. We know young men of the lowest socio-economic status commit the most crimes.

Hence why we don't need an excess of this demographic, who even if they don't commit any crimes are likely to take far more out of the system than they will ever put back.

@Jane379 careful your racism is showing. Data shows 87% are nationals, with 82% being white

” We know young men of the lowest socio-economic status commit the most crimes.
Hence why we don't need an excess of this demographic, who even if they don't commit any crimes are likely to take far more out of the system than they will ever put back.”

Are you actually willing to tell the mothers of these boys of the lowest socio economic groups, wherever they come from, that we don’t need any more of them? That we don’t need any more takers? Maybe we could give them a chance to step up?

Very few rapes are reported.

very few reported rapes are prosecuted

the deterrence effect is low because the chance of being caught and punished is incredibly low unless you are stupid enough to do it in the middle of Oxford street with hundred of witnesses.

even then it probably wouldn’t get prosecuted.

Haven’t seen UK data, but European data does show very stark differences in sexual assault/rape offending by origin country.

I’d guess a mix of: i) chance of getting caught quickly is a much stronger deterrent than harshness of punishment. We do badly at this, ii) maybe they expect it to be treated as a minor crime at best, ie they don’t expect serious punishment even if caught, iii) most criminals are very impulsive anyway, which correlates with low IQ, and the typical national tested IQs of many of the highest-offending origin countries is very low.

Are you actually willing to tell the fathers of the girls who were raped en masse on New Year's Eve 2015 in Germany that we need more of them? How about the victims of grooming gangs? Lets give more of these men a chance to step up...

That we need more of whom? Young men?
However much young men get on my nerves, I really don’t think we can ban them.

After the grooming gangs scandals, after all the data out of Sweden and Germany, we STILL have people denying that young male immigrants from certain regions aren’t more likely to commit sexual assault?

Even though it’s not denied these migrants come from misogynistic cultures that have taught them that white western women should be despised?

We should learn from Germany and Sweden and not follow the same path- the consequences of importing men with very different values is awful for the women on the streets. Best case scenario near where I work is that they shout at me for having a dog. I shouldn’t have to accommodate them - it’s ok to have pets in the UK. They are always sleazing on women in our town and nobody walks alone unless it’s a 2 min walk between the gym/shopping centre and the bus.tube.