To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

[Jane379]

I KNOW that plenty of the men who come are not evil and don't want to commit sexual assault. But clearly a number who have come are, and there's strong evidence that male migrants are disproportionately lileky to do so.

This almost surely at least partly caused by misogynistic culture in various areas meaning back home they perceived uncovered women as permissible to assault. But surely they know it's different here? That they will likely be caught? They are at least more likely to be punished here for assault.

Or are they convinced our police system will let them off?

Or they're not aware our norms are different?

Or just don't care about the consequences?

I wonder also if criminals are in a sense selected for since they may have little to tie them to their home countries, or even be escaping punishment there.

This.

Leftist social women caused the downfall and Islamic takeover in Iran…. And yet they’ll still do it here, it’s like turkeys voting for Christmas. I despair for my daughter

Evidence that migrants are disproportionately likely to do so, is there? Where?

Their cases may be disproportionately likely to be covered by the press. Don’t you think?

Is there Evidence of IQ variations in different countries?

IQ is changed by education and literacy.

Sorry, are you actually saying people from certain countries have very low IQs? Am I really reading that right?

Absolutely.

What is more, just because you've got a leak in one bedroom roof, doesn't mean you poke a hole in other bedroom's roof.

It pisses me off when I hear stupid statements about 'our' men being crap.
Yeah some are true but so what?

Doesn't mean we let more bastards from cultures with known terrible attitudes towards women in.
We must also remember that there is a difference between culture and individual behaviour.
For example, British culture is such that women have equal opportunities to men, others do not.

I'm so sick of this 'be kind' nonsense.
If they're men from misogynistic cultures, they should not be allowed entry to the UK.
Women and children welcome. Send the men back.

Yeah sure there may be some good men amongst the one's being sent back, but as overall even the best of them are likely to have milder misogynistic attitudes well tough luck.

I've no problem with them being turned away.

Exactly.

from the first article linked below - According to some researchers, the “cultural specificity” of intelligence makes IQ tests biased towards the environments in which they were developed – namely white, Western society. This makes them potentially problematic in culturally diverse settings. The application of the same test among different communities would fail to recognise the different cultural values that shape what each community values as intelligent behaviour.

https://theconversation.com/the-iq-test-wars-why-screening-for-intelligence-is-still-so-controversial-81428

https://www.polytechnique-insights.com/en/columns/neuroscience/iq-can-intelligence-really-be-measured/

For example, British culture is such that women have equal opportunities to men, others do not.

This is just false. Maybe the law states equality but we know that doesn’t happen in practice within employment, health, academia, or in the justice system and so on. This is the same country that recently let two male (white) teens off with a non-custodial sentence after a brutal rape of two girls.

Honestly IQ can get in the bin anyway, and I say this as someone who tested with a high IQ. I’ve posted some articles upthread to explain why I think it’s so flawed.

Thank you. There I was fuming at the unfounded dailymaility of the OP and wondering how to find the right data set to investigate, and there it is already debunked.

I listened to that programme. I seem to remember that it was examining claims against asylum seekers/ illegal immigrants and found we don’t currently keep data on offending by these categories, so they looked at offending in the UK by foreign nationality instead, and excluded origin countries where people were unlikely to be fleeing for asylum etc reasons. Of remaining nationalities there were higher rates of sexual offending. They then offered hypothesized explanations for this. Interestingly, they never mentioned ‘culture’ as a possible explanation even though it is quite an obvious possible candidate……

They probably don’t. It’s just that when they do they are splashed across the front pages.
I also think that if we have them something productive to do it might help. Rather than them just roaming the streets with no job, no money, no ability to get a job.

Statistically they have committed no more sexual offences, proportionally, than non- migrants. Get your head out of your arse and stop watching GB news. Im sick and tired of this hateful and false rhetoric. It feels like mumsnet has been infiltrated by a load of Reform plants to constantly post this shit. Just go away. Focus on things that actually matter and are real issues of concern: the NHS, education, SEN education, workers rights - not to be sacked just for being pregnant for example- all of these things are at risk if that toad Farage gets it.

But looking at all migrants is the wrong data set. No one is suggesting that American/ Australian/ New Zealand/ Western European nationals have higher rates of sexual offending. People are concerned about offending from men from misogynistic cultures. You’d have to examine the data set from that group alone ( and decide if you were looking at legal or illegal/ asylum or all three) to see if claims of higher rates of offending were true. And then delve deeper to look at reasons why.

Thugs like Farage or Robinson have to find ways to make people terrified of migrants otherwise their rhetoric falls flat quickly. Can you picture them saying something like “all these lovely people coming over fleeing war/persecution wanting to contribute to our society”? No, they want to whip up fear and hatred. A quick fire way of achieving this is claiming a disproportionate amount of them rape women. Over half of the 2024 rioters (I.e Tommy Robinson’s crew) have been convinced of violence against women - fun fact.

It is just men. Not migrant men, not all men but men, nevertheless. If you’re a woman, you should be wary of all men, not just the black and brown ones with a foreign accent.

So whilst acknowledging there are good and bad men in all groups, Sky News fact checked Nigel Farage’s claim that Afghan men had a 22 times higher propensity to rape. It found that a cross comparison to UK society as a whole was very difficult as the incoming refugee population were largely younger males and exact data does not exist. However, it does suggest that there is a considerable disparity of perhaps 4 or so times, which is still quite significant, though again data is difficult to cross compare.

I was brought up in a Muslim country (Malaysia), and generally most Muslim men are very respectful of women. However, as you travel to certain more strict areas, the society can be deeply oppressive for women and there is a really ingrained culture that a women not at home and not dressed extremely modestly is “asking for it”. The concept of consent is also not understood. Rape in marriage is still legal in many countries and a woman meeting a man alone might be seen as being very provocative.

In short there is a dangerous initial clash of culture which is not being properly managed. I understand refugees get some counselling on UK culture, but it will be anywhere near enough to override years of culture in Afghanistan.

On a risk basis, we should look for more secure units for those who pose the most risk.

news.sky.com/story/fact-checking-farage-are-foreigners-more-likely-than-britons-to-commit-sexual-offences-13407029

Simple answer: they are male. Brought up in a patriarchal, misogynistic world. Fed by religions which ALL depict females as scum and less than. All works of fiction written by hateful, ignorant men.
Do you think no female was ever attacked by a white male?
Black men are just the same.
Skin colour makes no difference

Take a moment to reflect on the white rapists who are repeat offenders who were recently let off with a slap on the wrist for raping those teenage girls.
The world would be a better place if women ruled it.
I also think we have enough indigenous rapists here without letting more in from overseas.

Well of course it can. Passing certain westernised tests doesn’t make you particularly clever. But my point is, in 2026 is it OK that you can say that people from certain countries have low IQs? I am actually shocked that people can possibly believe this and even more shocked that they can post such rubbish on the internet. I know I shouldn’t be shocked but I do actively stay away from the right wing MSM so maybe this crap is everywhere and it’s just the fact it’s on Mumsnet that bothers me so much.

I am so tired of this argument.

Yes, the biggest predictor of if someone is likely to commit a sexual offense is whether they are male, rather than female.

But there are differences with sub sets of men.

Of course culture ( not just ethnic but any other type of culture too) affects how people behave. I can’t really understand how anyone could argue against this.

There are many urban myths in their home countries that British woman are so easy, them travel here to 'get lucky'.
Romanian lady who lives down my area saying they all watch Geordie shore, influencer blogs, old big brother and think many English women behave like that.

Guy at my old worksite is of Turkish-Cypriot extraction. Back on the island and mainland etc, a man accused of raping a woman is likely to end up dead. They sometimes rape special needs men instead as no one gets offed for that and no body cares.
Britain and Scandinavia are seen as soft places with easy woman and light jail time. Almost zero of these type of men will be killed or attacked for assaulting attractive women.
He was telling a few of us this and we couldn't believe it at first. Another person chimes in and said that's why Soviet soldiers were so feared in world war 2 and in Eastern European countries, as it was a license to rape many local women with no come backs. Do that in Russia, gulags in Siberia if you were lucky. This was still happening in 1983 in some Soviet satellite states.
Being born when USSR fell I never knew a fraction of this. Will have to do some reaches on my 'workbreak week' in August.

I've got news for anyone who thinks that 'misogynistic cultures' are only 'out there'.

Everywhere is a misogynistic culture.

Another thread apparently showing concern for women with no evidence and what looks like a racist agenda. What’s going on over the last 24 hours? Couldn’t possibly be an attempt to whip things up in the light of the (unrelated) terrible Southampton event …could It?

Actually in this country more white men commit rapes than men of colour do

You must be living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the UK is a haven of peace and tranquility for women.
It’s the same the world over, just different levels of hatred towards females.
No we are not at the level of Afghanistan, thank God, but I don’t see Tommy Robinson and his supporters up in arms when a white rapist is freed.