To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

[Jane379]

I KNOW that plenty of the men who come are not evil and don't want to commit sexual assault. But clearly a number who have come are, and there's strong evidence that male migrants are disproportionately lileky to do so.

This almost surely at least partly caused by misogynistic culture in various areas meaning back home they perceived uncovered women as permissible to assault. But surely they know it's different here? That they will likely be caught? They are at least more likely to be punished here for assault.

Or are they convinced our police system will let them off?

Or they're not aware our norms are different?

Or just don't care about the consequences?

I wonder also if criminals are in a sense selected for since they may have little to tie them to their home countries, or even be escaping punishment there.

Well said. Noticeable also with Ukranian refugees that the fit men stayed and fought and mostly it was women and children coming here.

Conclusions are not difficult to draw.

It’s not much of a fact as women and children will find it very hard to join later.

Great - very easy to say. Don’t forget it just meant they’d definitely all be tortured slowly then die.

If they fled they hoped it wouldn’t happen to their family if they weren’t there. If they got sanctuary in another country they hoped for family reunion.

Many wives tell their husbands to try for the family.

I can recommend reading ‘The Pianist of Syria’ - don’t be worried he came here, he went to Germany. It is a harrowing read and details the discussions he had with his wife - like is it better she goes with him and face definite rape or not.

Are there actually people in this country that don't believe there are cultures that, at best, see women and girls as second class class citizens?

Wow.

excuse me but "assault" and "encounter" are different things. I do not believe that most women are assaulted as children, or indeed ever.

Well we used to have family reunion until recently and other EU countries have or still do have this option.

It may be hard, but it’s one plan out of limited options for the whole family.

The Pianist of Syria account details how his family decided he would make an attempt to escape solo.

Like many native born men, they have never been taught to control their violent impulses.

Well men from Afghanistan are leaving their female relatives without a male protector. Women can't go out without men. Women can't work, so they'll starve to death if no male relatives. Women are probably more at risk of rape in Afghanistan than anywhere else - girls are essentially sold into sex slavery and this isn't even against the law! There is no coherent argument where leaving women behind in Afghanistan is the moral thing to do.

This is quite an interesting response and shows how even when faced with facts and data polarised views refuse to change.

Previous posters have claimed "but where's the evidence that certain foreign nationals are more likely per capita to commit sex crimes than UK nationals ".

Then the data is provided, this usually elicits a response of challenging the source, the data or simply refusing to believe it.

My link was a UK Parliament and official Government database, unless you think that is "bogus".

Following a FoI request the Centre of Migration Observatory published a report that Afghan nationals were 22 times more likely to commit sex crimes in the UK than UK nationals.

This was criticised by the Migration Observatory for using 2021 data on the number of Afghan nationals in the UK. The Migration Observatory claimed the true figure as Afghan nationals only being 14.5 times more likely to commit sex crimes than IK nationals.

This kind of thread is always divided, though, between those who cling to idealism and those who have direct experience of living somewhere that makes certain inconvenient truths starkly obvious.

This. If you compare migrants to the whole population, women, all ages etc, they look like they offend more. When you compare them to a similar group of young males, those differences disappear. But many people prefer to rely on prejudice rather than facts.

Even one more rape from someone from a migrant background is too many as we women have enough to deal with , with home grown rapists ,thank you! I have spent many years working with refugees and yes, its the culture. Many young men coming from places like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan literally have no reference points to understand this society. Those in Home Office accomodation rarely receive any kind of cultural orientation and therefore view our society through their own cultural lense. Women are mothers or whores and women walking around scantily dressed, on their own are clearly prositutes so its normal to rape them. There were many rapes in home office accomodation when I was working with the cohort.
These young men are often disgusted with our society and consider us degenerate and heathen. However, they love the economic opportunities afforded by living here. Please dont be naive. I used to be very left wing about this sort of thing and after workingn n the sector I now appreciate that there are some cultures that literally cannot be integrated into this society and I fear for British Young Girls who will have to deal with the threat these young men pose.
If I had my way we would only allow women and child refugees to remain in the UK. They pose no threat to other women and children and will integrate much faster without the men. In addition, when in comes to civil conflict , we have no ide if the men we are importing are in fact war criminals and no way to find out.

Plenty of MEN in general op. Ffs.

No, it’s not that.

The Centre for Migration Control data compares apples with oranges. It’s completely flawed.

What happens when you break it out by country of origin?

(I don’t think we know for the UK. But countries that do publish show starkly different offending rates. I think the starting assumption for the UK should be that we would see differences by origin country too).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd8BL9euvQY

I found this a really interesting take on the policing of such crimes. It's a long watch but it is grounded in evidence and explains current policing. For those asking for evidence.

I don’t think you have understood the post you are replying to.

Exactly. The problem is men.

Most women's first sexual encounter is as s child - Really? Most?

I doubt it any rapist stops and thinks what are the consequences of my actions.
Regardless of colour, race, nationality.
The two factors are " I'm horny" or "I want to punish women."

If you come from a culture where a woman not in covered dress or out on her own is a prostitute, you will not think that it is any different.

If you look at porn in Taunton, or Timbuktu, Tittikaka or Tsing tao you will see British or American women. That will be you goal and aim of "beauty or availability" - most likely availability.

‘The data doesn’t align with my far left fantasies, so I’ll say it’s wrong’.

Other available definitions of this comment include: ‘defending rape and sexual assaults is a small price to pay for tolerance and diversity’.

Oh. Please do explain if I’ve got the wrong end of the stick.

I read their claim as being that once adjusted for sex and age the offending rates of migrants looks like that of non-migrants.

Wasn’t that it?

My post was about whether taking migrants as a group (as the PP did in their claim) might disguise some very different offending rates by national origin, as it does in European countries that split out the data.

How have they got any idea about our laws ?
How have they got any idea about equality and respect for women ?

I don't undertsnd how they would know any of this without some fairly strong and robust training ?

We should definitely work more on integration. We didn’t learn the lessons from the 50s/60s when we housed migrants in the poorest ends of town and ended up causing division. We still handle it all very badly.

ESOL funding was cut around 2011 which isn’t helpful - no orientation type things where locals can help. We managed this stuff with Ukrainian refugees - it is possible.

Most womens first sexual encounter usasa child??? Can you support what seems to me a ridiculous and damagibg statement.