To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

[Jane379]

I KNOW that plenty of the men who come are not evil and don't want to commit sexual assault. But clearly a number who have come are, and there's strong evidence that male migrants are disproportionately lileky to do so.

This almost surely at least partly caused by misogynistic culture in various areas meaning back home they perceived uncovered women as permissible to assault. But surely they know it's different here? That they will likely be caught? They are at least more likely to be punished here for assault.

Or are they convinced our police system will let them off?

Or they're not aware our norms are different?

Or just don't care about the consequences?

I wonder also if criminals are in a sense selected for since they may have little to tie them to their home countries, or even be escaping punishment there.

Because we talk about it when migrants do it, but not when while white men do

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National IQs calculated and validated for 108 nations - ScienceDirect

IQ is the most valid, reliable, heritable and predictive theory in psychology. If people are dismissing this, they are dismissing psychology per se.

That's not to say there are not valid criticisms, for example cultural bias. There is little value in comparing the scores of one country with another. However, If we want to know the likelihood of someone succeeding within countries, then IQ will tell us more than any other single predictor.

Do you accept that men from way more misogynistic countries are more likely to be misogynists? Because if they’re not the ones oppressing the women in, eg, Afghanistan, then who is?

You don’t think it makes a difference that they’ve been raised since day 1 to see women as inferior chattels and lived in a country where stripping them of rights is normal?

The law doesn’t seem to care about sexual assault regardless of who the perpetrator is or where they are from but I do think if you commit a crime, you should be deported. I’ve lived and worked in many other countries and if I was to commit a crime I certainly wouldn’t be able to hold on to my job and visa.

We don’t keep the data which is why there’s no ‘proof’. So it’s easy to demand evidence knowing full well this isn’t recorded. Sweden is trying to get a grip on it but there’s radio silence where a proper government run study should be.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45269764

This thread is depressing because it shows how readily concern for women is thrown out of the window. Other concerns ( anti-racist, pro trans, antizionist) means that concerns for women need to be thrown out without even looking at what the data and evidence may show. As this post from above makes clear:
There I was fuming at the unfounded dailymaility of the OP and wondering how to find the right data set to investigate, and there it is already debunked
Here a poster states quite clearly that they had no idea what the evidence said, but still firmly held their position anyway, and we’re going to look for data that supported what they believed anyway. This poster hadn’t even looked at this source by the way, just took an account of it on here as gospel truth, asking no questions whatsoever to investigate the methodology used.
This is intellectual and moral dishonesty.

I have no idea what the truth is here but hypotheses that a large influx of young men into an area with no occupation, possibly poor English, no stabilizing family ( or any other) community may pose a problem. Nor does it seem unreasonable to hypothesize that men from communities who think only women who dress modestly should be respected, may pose a problem. It is at least worth getting proper data and evidence to test these hypotheses.

Because there are vastly more white men 🙄

I’m going to call bullshit on this. The whole of the past week has been about John Worboys while this has gone under the radar somewhat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3e2wzpe7xjo

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Women last, as always.

This is just an extension of Rotherham. Aggressive demands for evidence, women being accused of bigotry, deflection.

What we need is proper data recorded by the government or a mass survey of court convictions. No doubt even if it supported OP, they would somehow reach for reasons it was biased. But in the absence of that information these debates will always crop up.

Yes that's very true. But in some areas the demographics can be different. X area will have far more assaults from ethnic men than UK as whole average. I lived on outskirts of one area in London for years, and just because I've got red hair the amount of cat calls and harassing I got was ridiculous.

Was sitting next to my now BF on a double decker about ten years ago, after doing some food shopping. Had a mixed teen lad get on bus, stare straight down my top and say "Some fine titties dere!" 😡 No BF - just a good friend then - growled at him and I told him to fuck off. If my friend - who is huge - hadn't been beside me, I was probably due 5 minutes of harassment masked as 'banter'. Now BF asked if I wanted him to have a go at the little shit or tell the bus driver about it? I said no not worth it. Saddest part is that little creep looked about fourteen 🤦y

A quick search suggests that this is not true. Broadly rates are similar in the two populations. I guess a good question is why crimes by migrants get disproportionate publicity.

Here is the strong evidence and facts. Although I have no doubt that you will either dispute the source (Ministry of Justice), the data or simply fail to respond to this evidence because it doesn't fit your existing narrative:

Analysis of the MoJ data indicates that British nationals accounted for a rate of roughly 2.66 sex offence convictions per 10,000 of their population. Conversely, the conviction rate was 59 per 10,000 for Afghans and 53.6 per 10,000 for Eritreans.

Migratory Observatory disputes these figures claiming that the rates used population counts from the 2021 Census, which significantly undercounted the number of Afghan arrivals that occurred later that year. Adjusting for the true population size drops the Afghan per capita rate to just roughly 14.5 times that of Britons.

So in summary Afghan refugees are between 22 times and 14.5 times more likely to commit sex crimes in the UK than UK nationals.

Is that strong enough evidence for you?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/10/foreigners-commit-up-to-quarter-of-sex-crimes/

Because they don’t give a f*ck. They are just here to take the mick, mug us off, take everything from us that they can get.

Good grief. Far worse than I thought. Let’s see whose first instinct is to minimise figures about sex assaults. They have that in common with the Manosphere at least. Maybe they can team up.

If you want the actual stats, listen to More or Less.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002wjlc?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Which countries are you thinking of when you talk about child marriage being a societal norm ?

Afghanistan?

You need to provide statistics to back your claims.

However, I think there definitely are issues with men in general who come from cultures and follow religions that see women and girls as basically property and second class citizens.

The UK does need to get its act together when it comes to clamping down on illegal immigration and addressing misogyny as a whole.

Only 3% of rapes ever go to court and we have an overall issue with how ALL men, no matter their background, treat women and girls and how the criminal justice system and the police deal with victims.

When i was travelling the attitude towards was backpackers was v different depending what country you were in. Men in South East Asian countries will sexually harass you in the street even when there are men also standing there who are the same demographic so we didnt stand out as different. In the UK and Australia we were left alone.

Migrants are trafficked here by criminals who want the money. They sell whatever lifestyle will get them the most money l. I doubt they are saying 'Don't have sex without consent or you may get deported'. They may lose out on their ' investment' if they can't get them to work illegally but they need to get them over here in the first place. I doubt they are warning them not to rape women before they get the cash. More like they'll tell them they can have as much sex as they like.

The far left gaslighters and race baiters are out in force straight away with, oh but most crimes are committed by white men (completely side stepping per capita statistics), oh but not all migrant men, oh but you’re racist, oh but but but.

These people basically think that increase in rape and sexual assault is a price we must pay for being ‘progressive’. Sick and twisted logic. These people must be exposed for being unhinged.

And what ages are you thinking about when you think of Afghanistan ?

This point always frustrates me. You are correct, however the point is those men are already here walking around us and we shouldn’t be allowing men from other countries to come who do the same too! Just add to the problem!? Especially when we know those countries are not very pro-women’s rights? It just feels like madness.