To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

[Jane379]

I KNOW that plenty of the men who come are not evil and don't want to commit sexual assault. But clearly a number who have come are, and there's strong evidence that male migrants are disproportionately lileky to do so.

This almost surely at least partly caused by misogynistic culture in various areas meaning back home they perceived uncovered women as permissible to assault. But surely they know it's different here? That they will likely be caught? They are at least more likely to be punished here for assault.

Or are they convinced our police system will let them off?

Or they're not aware our norms are different?

Or just don't care about the consequences?

I wonder also if criminals are in a sense selected for since they may have little to tie them to their home countries, or even be escaping punishment there.

51% of women wake up being raped in their own beds...

Only one scenario of where rape is happening....there are many more...

So most women are raped in the UK.

The police do not have to investigate it at all. They can choose not to.

I work with sexual abuse victims and trust me, you need educating. The conviction rates claim comes from the CPS where they said they actively let rapists off on purpose in order to raise the conviction rates.

Take 10 rapists to court and convict 1 = 10% conviction rate.
Take 1 rapist to court and convict 1 = 100% conviction rate.

It was well documented when the CPS admitted this...

You saying 90% of girls in schools being sexually abused in schools is not that bad? Why?

Why is sexual assaults here less bad than sexual assaults elsewhere? What makes them 'not that bad' to be sexually assaulted in one place than another?

51% of women wake up being raped in their own beds? You mean 51% of women in the UK? Or 51% of rape victims? Or what?

Most women are raped in the UK?

Produce your sources for these wild claims. If you do not, I will not respond any further.

51% of women in the UK.

The data is from the biggest study ever conducted about VAWG....

Why have you not read it?

The fact that you spend your time minimising rape and sexual assault then maybe that is why so many men and boys here do it as they know ppl like you will minimise it and dismiss victims reporting.

Explain why you think rape and sexual abuse here is 'not as bad' as elsewhere?

The per capita isn't the same regardless of ethnicity. Nordic nations clearly measure SA by ethnicity and the data is clear.

Do you genuinely think you're as safe as a woman in Afghanistan, sudan, Somalia, or South Africa than you are in the UK, EU or Australia?

Yes I’m not sure they’re a woman after that, and I doubt they have daughters.

This isn’t right, reconsider your posting.

Do you think a young girl has a better or worse chance in life in the UK, the EU or in Kabul and Mogadishu?

Again women do sadly get assaulted in the UK. But least compare this to Sudan where the violence inflicted on women and girls by armed men is systematically used as a weapon of war and ethnic terror. What happens there does not happen in the UK because the violence is militarised, public, and carried out by organized armies with the explicit intent to destroy communities.

In 2025 there was approximately one rape reported in London every 54 minutes. The met police recorded 26,803 sexual offences in 24/25 an increase from 24,334 in 23/24.

Data is limited and often from police records (e.g., self-reported nationality). Per ONS/Home Office (2021-2023): Afghans convicted of sexual offences at ~3x rate of UK-born (9 vs 2.9 per 10,000), though demographics play a role.

What else can account for the exponential rise in rape stats over the last 15 years in London other than a change in demographics?

I have worked with sexual abuse victims too, I gained placements for them, i supported them accessing medical support, financial support, courses to support them to gain the confidence to get out of these abusive relationships - that I could do this safely is because I live in a country where in law we are equal I have a right to be safe. I find it hard to believe you are not aware of this

Do you think a woman if Afghanistan (and other ME countries) can assess support, get medical support, choose to have a termination, report their husbands your very role would put you in danger from authorities

Why are you making this about where it is better to be abused, abuse is abuse but we do have options to get away, to report, to divorce that women are often in abusive relationships can't is about the relationship not about laws

That we can openly discuss this on a forum is something that just can not be done by many woman due to total control over their lives that is support and upheld by the very systems in place

so yes you do need to educate yourself on how life is for so many millions of woman and how misogyny in these countries is so entrenched that woman do not have any control over their lives

Look at the Poland rape rates astronomically lower than the UK. Also very low in the VAWG survey.

This too! The UK is not a war zone like Sudan.

As a Pole myself, I'm proud that Poland is generally very safe for women to walk around in public.

Re DV & SA though, it's worth noting that Poland is still very socially conservative especially in rural areas, and this probably affects reporting rates.

https://notesfrompoland.com/2020/08/17/over-60-of-women-in-poland-have-experienced-domestic-violence-finds-leaked-report/

I suspect similar about places like Japan and China, where reported rates are very low but there are known problems with SA (particularly in Japan) and DV (China especially in rural areas).

Here we have had 3 female PMs. Women can go to school here and have an education. Women have careers, choice who to marry. Equal rights under the law. You don't have this in Afghanistan.

According to this 2024 BBC report, women were still going outside but only fully covered and in a lot of fear. The situation is terrible but I don't think it's got to the point where it's literally impossible for a woman to go out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20rq73p3z4o

That said, as I said to pp, I suspect, especially given large family sizes, probably a lot of the men who have migrated are not the only brother in the family.

I know we have serious problems in cities but this is a hugely sweeping statement. I live in London and this doesn't describe my area at all.

Do you live in London? If not, where are you getting your information from?

They are the last bastions of an age where life wasn’t drained of colour, freedom and possibility. People who live there appreciate, revere and respect the culture

• so in your opinion, these things are totally absent from all UK cities?

That explanation is much too simplistic and doesn’t match what actually happened.

The collapse of the Afghan state in 2021 wasn’t a case of individual men suddenly deciding they “didn’t care” or refusing to defend their country. It was the rapid breakdown of a system that had been heavily dependent on foreign military support, funding, logistics, and air power for years. Once that support was withdrawn under the withdrawal agreement with the Taliban and the US, many Afghan units found themselves without supplies, coordination, or effective command structures.

It’s also worth remembering that many Afghan soldiers and police did fight and die over the course of the conflict. In many cases, units collapsed because leadership fled, supply chains broke down, or positions were overrun,.

Calling an entire population “cowards” replaces a messy military and political collapse with a moral judgement about millions of people, which isn’t really a fair or accurate way to understand what happened.

This is like saying the South Vietnamese lost the war because they were cowards, the French were invaded in WW2 because they were cowards, the Chinese are ruled by the CCP because they're cowards. Inaccurate and unhelpful.

The idea that “British forces fought them but Afghan men won’t defend their own families” ignores the basic reality of what the conflict actually was. The British Army was part of an international coalition supporting a state with advanced military infrastructure, logistics, air support, training systems, and constant external funding. Afghan soldiers and police were not operating on anything like that level of support by the end.

This exactly.

Re this : 'They come from countries where rape isn't a crime.'

Are there any countries where there us literally no crime of rape? Generally the difference is that countries define rape as virginal 'property' of a father or husband being "spoiled'. Whereas we thankfully recognise it as a crime against a woman in her own right, ban marital rape, recognise prostitutes can still be raped etc

My friend was 14 in the West Midlands and an adult pakistani Muslim man became her ' boyfriend' ( she was recruited by another schoolgirl who was the 'boyfriend' of his friend. Her 'boyfriend' asked her to find a 'boyfriend' for his mate). They never did anything other than go to a flat where he would have sex with her. He told her to her face that he would never does this to a woman from his own community as he would have too much respect for her.

You are deeply wrong if you think there are not cultures where women are viewed very differently (respected or despised) depending on what religion, ethnicity, behaviour, presentation or sexuality they have or are.

This isn't just a cultural thing. Treating women differently depending on whether they are Muslim or not is written into the Qu'ran and Hadith, with additional rights and respect given to muslim women. It was a way for slave women to get additional 'rights'.

That's terrible. 💐

Can I ask what extra rights & respect are given to Muslim women in the Quran & Hadith, compared to non Muslim?

Have you ever lived in a Muslim majority country? I lived in one as a young woman. Let me tell you there is NO, repeat NO comparison to this country,

In the UK, should I have the horror of being raped, the following are options:
hospital treatment
reporting to police
bringing a prosecution
being believed
not being stoned to death or outcast from society

I want to say your ignorance is terrifying and dangerous but I know you don’t have empirical experience of other, less civilised cultures, so I’ll wind my neck in and just say lucky you.

Forgive my anger; your blithe tone has really upset me.

That sounds awful, I'm sorry.

Very weird too : were these men British born Muslims? Or from abroad- if so, do you know which country?

@Jane379 I don’t know where they were born sorry.