To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

[Jane379]

I KNOW that plenty of the men who come are not evil and don't want to commit sexual assault. But clearly a number who have come are, and there's strong evidence that male migrants are disproportionately lileky to do so.

This almost surely at least partly caused by misogynistic culture in various areas meaning back home they perceived uncovered women as permissible to assault. But surely they know it's different here? That they will likely be caught? They are at least more likely to be punished here for assault.

Or are they convinced our police system will let them off?

Or they're not aware our norms are different?

Or just don't care about the consequences?

I wonder also if criminals are in a sense selected for since they may have little to tie them to their home countries, or even be escaping punishment there.

This charity, Girls Not Brides, is very good

According to them, 10% of Afghan girls are married before 15, and 29% before 18.

https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/en/learning-resources/child-marriage-atlas/regions-and-countries/afghanistan/

Where did you get 4%?

The charity I linked earlier says 29% before 18 and 10% before 15.

https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/en/learning-resources/child-marriage-atlas/regions-and-countries/afghanistan/

And the Taliban are worsening it by making marriage at 9 legal...

This link is terrible but I don't think it shows evil men so much as an unimaginably desperate situation.

No one wants to imagine this kind of situation but ordinary people can be driven to unbelievable things. I've read of Filipina mothers who allowed their children to communicate with child abusers via webcam because they were in such desperate poverty.

https://news.sky.com/story/parents-in-philippines-taking-money-from-western-paedophiles-for-webcam-abuse-10807436

It doesn't excuse their actions, or the actions of the man in the article, AT ALL.

But this isn't a situation where they're happily giving children away. They're clearly acting out of desperation to try & keep their kids alive . At least that's my impression from these kinds of passages:

'The country is now facing record levels of hunger, with 4.7 million - more than a tenth of Afghanistan's population - estimated to be one step away from famine.'

'In the two hours we were there, only three men got hired. The devastating impact of unempunemployment is clear'

Saeed Ahmad tells us he has already been forced to sell his five-year-old daughter, Shaiqa, after she got appendicitis and a cyst in her liver.
"I had no money to pay the medical expenses. So I sold my daughter to a relative,"
"If I had money, I would never have taken this decision," Saeed says. "But then I thought, what if she dies without the surgery?
"Giving away your child at such a young age, carries a lot of anxiety. Underage [marriages] have their problems; however, because I couldn't pay for her treatment, I was thinking, at least she will be alive.'

'A local elder says that child mortality, mainly due to malnutrition, has "really gone up" in the last two years.
Here, though, there are no formal records of deaths. The graveyard is the only place to find evidence of a surge in child deaths. And so, like we've done in the past, we counted the small and big graves separately. There were roughly twice as many small graves as big ones – suggesting twice as many children as adults.'

'A lack of money is forcing many families to make tough decisions.Gulbadan's surviving granddaughter put on a little weight and her breathing stabilised. But a few days later, her family took her home. They simply couldn't afford to keep her in hospital.'

It wasn't my point, you may have missed it, but I was quoting from the shared article.

Remember Ukraine made it illegal for men of fighting age to leave. Many men did want to fight, but there wasn't a choice anyway

Moreover, I don't think Ukraine is an equivalent to the current Afghanistan situation since there isn't a war there now, the dictators are in power.

I think pp is also overlooking that a lot of the male MENA migrants here do not have wives or families, they're young single men.

I agree Afghan women should be helped to come.

However, I think most Afghan men here are young singles without wives and families.

Those near my workplace have made it horrible. I honestly think they are behind the poisoned meat left in local parks which some pets have almost eaten! I have moved out of that borough to somewhere without them and feel sorry for any woman without the means to escape them. If they are openly misogynistic and judgmental to women they don’t know, who knows what they are doing to women they do?

100% / they should adapt to our ways if they want to get on with society here. The entitled twits think that we (esp females) should listen to them. How about no?

They might be keen to advance, but on average migrants who claim asylum cost the tax payer an average of around £500k each.

Yes I think that would be true. The core point though is there are a range of cultural factors alongside how religion is interpreted which impact on how women are seen in some societies. The outcomes though can be sadly very consistent. Women can have incredibly limited power over their own lives. Consent as a concept does not exist, Relationships between men and women do not exist outside of marriage or family and women who move away from these strict boundaries are very quickly labelled with quite base terms by men.

I do think we need to be mindful of the risks these factors pose for people arriving in the UK.

Thanks for starting this thread @Jane379 it’s good to have these discussions and hear from others. Too often our valid concerns are shut down and dismissed as racist. No nuance. It’s not about skin colour, it’s about extreme religion and attitudes to women that men are bringing with them to this country. The more we shut down concerns and discussion about this, the more we feed into the far right Farage/Robinson et al…

And yet the huge and overwhelming majority of assaults are carried out by our home grown men where NONE of these things you cite are in any way relevant

the problem is men.

Consent is taught extensively in schools

and those British teenage boys planned and executed multiple rapes and very nearly got away with it, if not for the public uproar.

Presumably they have mothers and sometimes sisters? Work even for men is hard to come by but the most likely people to get it are young, fit men. Instead of staying and trying to earn a living they've just left their female relatives to their fate which will most likely be an unpleasant death now they can't even get medical care very easily.

Exactly. We have enough problems with the men already here, why add to that with men who don't even get educated that consent is something that matters?

The court system is overwhelmed.

Rape is pretty much legal, and the needle is being pushed. It wouldn't take that much for women's rights here to go the same way as they've done in Iran and Afghanistan.

Ignores per capita now don't you

Again where do you feel safer Krakow or Kabul?

@WildLeader?

@WildLeader is too busy congratulating herself on how inclusive and progressive she is. The whataboutery is strong here

So you are saying that men coming from cultures where woman few rights, where a husband can legally rape (supported by religion) and beat his wife, where woman can not make every day decisions without her father or husbands consent magically leave behind these cultural norms when they come to the UK

no one is suggesting that men are not the issue, when you add in deep rooted misogyny you have further complexities to deal with along with the view many of these men will have of western woman being viewed as woman of loose morals

A lot of children from travelling communities do not attend school regularly, or at all. There’s a good chance those 3 boys missed the consent lessons.

Were they travellers? I didn't know that.

Ironically, I was planning to do a thread on why traveller children are allowed to be withdrawn early from school. How is this still happening?

I think they were

I agree mainly with this. Poor people in the hotels.

Also agree re Shabana Mahmood. She should be PM imo.