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To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

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Jane379 · Today 00:05

I KNOW that plenty of the men who come are not evil and don't want to commit sexual assault. But clearly a number who have come are, and there's strong evidence that male migrants are disproportionately lileky to do so.

This almost surely at least partly caused by misogynistic culture in various areas meaning back home they perceived uncovered women as permissible to assault. But surely they know it's different here? That they will likely be caught? They are at least more likely to be punished here for assault.

Or are they convinced our police system will let them off?

Or they're not aware our norms are different?

Or just don't care about the consequences?

I wonder also if criminals are in a sense selected for since they may have little to tie them to their home countries, or even be escaping punishment there.

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Samysungy · Today 19:14

Toops · Today 15:40

Where does this "90%" stat come from? When you say sexually abused do you mean actual assault or a one off comment (which is still totally wrong)

And yes foreign men are well over represented per capita wise. There's no way on earth Somalia is as safe for a woman than the west. We all know we'd rather be in the west.

From Ofsted.

I mean they are made victims of c.porn or upskirting, groping etc.

Per capita is 0.3 so not really a big difference.

EasternStandard · Today 19:27

Wipeywipey · Today 19:11

I don't think there is an inherent difference in men the world over. Men here know we have money to catch them using DNA, surveillance and other means. In poorer countries I am sure they do what they like. Men are the problem though wherever you are.

Not the same amount of problem. Do you have DDs and would you really swap for Afghanistan under the Taliban?

2dogsandabudgie · Today 19:40

Weeallthewayhome · Today 17:41

Of course. I still love this country very much but there is an intolerance on the left now that frightens me.

i have seen the education system go from one that valued intelligence, encouraged independent and radical thinking and knew how to foster civilised debate to indoctrination.

Now all views seem homogeneous and prescribed and predictable and cult-like. I love having my mind changed; now we don’t want to listen at all, just shout. It’s sad.

Socially, people have more things but fewer people seem to read books or want to mix with those who are different. By that I mean sit down and eat with someone of another faith or political persuasion and genuinely enjoy the differences.

Unfettered immigration has not been kind to Britain. It’s created ghettoes and people who are afraid of them and people determined to defend cultures they simply don’t understand.

And the telly and radio are pretty uniformly shit now. But that might be because I’m quite old and can’t be arsed with bare bums and the like.

I could go on😂; is that the kind of thing you were asking?

Yes thank you for replying. Very interesting.

Nuthatch26 · Today 19:44

EasternStandard · Today 19:27

Not the same amount of problem. Do you have DDs and would you really swap for Afghanistan under the Taliban?

Will you answer this @Wipeywipey?

Wipeywipey · Today 20:00

EasternStandard · Today 19:27

Not the same amount of problem. Do you have DDs and would you really swap for Afghanistan under the Taliban?

The are a far right organisation put in by US.
Where do you think the "whites are always right" ideology ends up?

Nuthatch26 · Today 20:14

Wipeywipey · Today 20:00

The are a far right organisation put in by US.
Where do you think the "whites are always right" ideology ends up?

Are you blaming the US and 'far right' for the way women and girls are treated in Afghanistan?

EasternStandard · Today 20:14

Wipeywipey · Today 20:00

The are a far right organisation put in by US.
Where do you think the "whites are always right" ideology ends up?

That’s not an answer. Would you swap and do you have dds?

Ihatetomatoes · Today 20:20

Ladamesansmerci · Today 00:35

You may as well remove the migrant part, because the question is really 'why do men...?'. Because it's always men. The news is just a long list of crimes men commit.

Men have proved time and time again that many of them are more than capable of violence against women and girls. No matter what corner of the world you are in or what colour men are, they do this vile shit. Religion or etc is just an extra excuse for the misogyny engrained into our societies. Men don't need religion to uphold patriarchy and misogyny. You only need to think about the Gisele Pelicot case to realise this.

https://eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/mostly-true-asylum-seekers-and-refugees-are-clearly-over-represented-in-both-sexual-assaults-and-aggression-offences/

Mostly true: “Asylum seekers and refugees are clearly over-represented in both sexual assaults and aggression offences”

https://eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/mostly-true-asylum-seekers-and-refugees-are-clearly-over-represented-in-both-sexual-assaults-and-aggression-offences/

Toops · Today 20:23

Do people genuinely think women are no more at risk in other nations than in the west?

Where would you feel safer a developed Western nation or the streets of Sudan?

Ihatetomatoes · Today 20:23

Violence-related masculinity

Forensic psychiatrist Frank Urbaniok has been studying sexual offenders of all backgrounds for decades. The results of his analysis of crime statistics in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, and the types of crimes committed by foreigners, he believes, does however indicate links between certain cultural backgrounds and a propensity to violence. His views are often heavily criticized by those on the left. But he has published a book on the matter nevertheless

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Ihatetomatoes · Today 20:25

We have to ask — safe from whom, and according to whose definition of threat? If concern for girls only surfaces when the accused is a racialized migrant man, and not when abuse happens in the home, school, or church, then it’s not really about protecting girls — it’s about policing the boundaries of race and nation," thinks Parmanand.

BashthatTerriesorange · Today 20:28

Wipeywipey · Today 20:00

The are a far right organisation put in by US.
Where do you think the "whites are always right" ideology ends up?

You are a racist who thinks people of colour have no agency, thoughts, ambition or plans of their own but only exist as NPCs in white people’s games.

Toops · Today 20:28

If your DD was going solo tripping to Budapest Hungary you'd say "have fun". If she wanted to do to Sudan I'm pretty sure you'd be terrified for her safety. Almost as if the men in Sudan pose more of a danger.

BashthatTerriesorange · Today 20:31

Ihatetomatoes · Today 20:25

We have to ask — safe from whom, and according to whose definition of threat? If concern for girls only surfaces when the accused is a racialized migrant man, and not when abuse happens in the home, school, or church, then it’s not really about protecting girls — it’s about policing the boundaries of race and nation," thinks Parmanand.

You might have missed it but there has been a huge amount of work, attention and awareness raising to address abuse of girls in the homes and schools and church. The change and process in this in the decades of my life is remarkable.

So your point doesn’t stand up at all.

EasternStandard · Today 20:31

Toops · Today 20:23

Do people genuinely think women are no more at risk in other nations than in the west?

Where would you feel safer a developed Western nation or the streets of Sudan?

I’m wondering too. It’s concerning because I think some don’t realise what we have.

Or maybe they do and that’s the issue. We should suffer as women do in Sudan. I really hope not, it’s horrific for them.

Illegally18 · Today 20:33

fabstraction · Today 03:59

I think it depends on the person. Like most criminals, many of them just aren't very bright, have poor impulse control, and don't stop to consider the consequences. Some probably think they won't be caught or that they can lie their way out of trouble. They may not fully expect the crime will be taken seriously, if they come from a sub-culture where it may be considered acceptable to assault certain women (those not dressed 'modestly' or not of the 'correct' faith).

I agree.

Twisterlollies · Today 20:33

BashthatTerriesorange · Today 20:31

You might have missed it but there has been a huge amount of work, attention and awareness raising to address abuse of girls in the homes and schools and church. The change and process in this in the decades of my life is remarkable.

So your point doesn’t stand up at all.

This.

As a Roman Catholic i supported unveiling the scourge of sexual abuse happening in the church, which they tried to cover up. Thankfully the press played a key role in reporting this and forcing their hand at reforming the Church and ousting the paedophile priests.

I don’t care that this was the Church I was born and raised into. It doesn’t come before the wellbeing of children.

Tryingtobegreenfingered · Today 20:34

Come on! The way that women are treated in some of these countries is truly shocking- of course some men are importing these attitudes when they arrive here. It’s not rocket science.

Tryingtobegreenfingered · Today 20:36

This was dreadful

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

Toops · Today 20:50

Tryingtobegreenfingered · Today 20:36

But apparently we need to be welcoming. I remember people here on saying Poland is very anti refugees and then on other threads saying it's super safe. Like I wonder if there's a reason.

HRTQueen · Today 20:51

Tryingtobegreenfingered · Today 20:36

Yes it was

and I remember how little it was reported in some areas of the press

It was horrific yet still an issue so many want to not address ten years later

Beachtastic · Today 20:52

As always, I think this thread shows up the difference between women who have faced these issues personally and those who haven't. For those who haven't, this is just a political/philosophical argument and an opportunity to show how liberal-minded and fair they are. For those who have, there's a lot more at stake, and the fact that there are no clear stats from which to draw definitive conclusions actually makes things worse. Nowadays, with the internet and transparency, people can't massage data as they once did. Instead, they are simply very careful when formulating the questions to be investigated in the first place. What I'd like to know is who controls these questions and what they are afraid of.

trueredstart · Today 20:56

HRTQueen · Today 20:51

Yes it was

and I remember how little it was reported in some areas of the press

It was horrific yet still an issue so many want to not address ten years later

That was ten years ago??? I thought it happened six months ago, as the first time I'd heard of it was in 2026. Utterly disgraceful.

How is this happening time and time again? Why do people bury their head in the sand about these painfully obvious issues?