To wonder why so many male migrants have committed sexual assaults:even if they are evil people, wouldn't staying in the UK be an incentive to abide by the law?

[Jane379]

I KNOW that plenty of the men who come are not evil and don't want to commit sexual assault. But clearly a number who have come are, and there's strong evidence that male migrants are disproportionately lileky to do so.

This almost surely at least partly caused by misogynistic culture in various areas meaning back home they perceived uncovered women as permissible to assault. But surely they know it's different here? That they will likely be caught? They are at least more likely to be punished here for assault.

Or are they convinced our police system will let them off?

Or they're not aware our norms are different?

Or just don't care about the consequences?

I wonder also if criminals are in a sense selected for since they may have little to tie them to their home countries, or even be escaping punishment there.

And the more that men who think women aren't fully human are imported and prioritised the less we'll be able to deal with the white British rapists. For a start, less prison space.

Rape is already pretty much legal and much of the Judiciary prioritise the rapist over the victim - why on earth should we do something that makes this worse?

There are country where VAWG is absolutely atrocious. Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan etc. If things are bad here, no way are things better there. Yet somehow taking the men from these nations is all okay?

Could it be France wouldn’t take them? They’re not French citizens and so no need to take them. We could of course go to war with France 👀

Could it be the military won’t get involved? Already the navy said no when these ideas were floated previously.

Its not asylum claimants making it shit in the U.K. but I doubt you’d listen to those facts - but a genuine question now - if all asylum claimants were barred from the U.K. would that be sufficient to settle you, or would you then want to look at refugees granted asylum already, anyone with LTR?

I do think that actually there is little consensus on who people wish not to be here - and this will be a problem - some focus on hotels, some on Islam, some on non British - a huge range of ideas and I doubt many could be satisfied.

All the talk about 'bringing their female relatives later' in regard to single Afghan men. No, their female relatives will be dead in the time it takes them to get to the UK. Any man leaving his female relatives in Afghanistan is saying loudly and clearly he doesn't care if they die. Women only have any hope of surviving in Afghanistan if they have male relatives THERE to support and help them.

Absolutely. How are they going to get them out when they can't leave the house or speak? How long can they survive with no young male relative? It can take up to 5 years to get to the UK, then get work, then claim asylum etc etc. The women they have left in a hell hole to fend for themselves will be dead in that time.

What is being compared is males.

Yes you could make the argument that Afghan refugees are statistically younger than the UK national males.

Again though you show the classic response of disputing the data or the source of data that does fit your existing biased opinion. Please try to look at the facts not your emotions.

Even if you choose to discard the view of the Centre for Migration Control analysis that Afghan nationals in the UK are 22 times more likely to commit sex crimes than UK nationals as "paid for by right wing lobbyists " then what is your view on the left Migration Observatory findings that dispute the "22 times more likely " figure and suggest that Afghan nationals are is 14.5 times more likely to sex crimes in the UK than UK nationals.

Are they biased as well? At what point do you start to question that maybe just maybe admitting migrants into the UK with very different cultures and very different attitudes to women might just become an increased risk to women in the UK. And whether that is a price worth paying?

India has no codified asylum-processing law requiring airport immigration to admit you into a formal asylum procedure. We can do this as well.

Why do people just ignore the data? Even if the data in the UK isn't the best, what about data from our friends in Europe? Why do people ignore that in their country of origin VAWG is absolutely atrocious.

Per capita rape (which is such a disgusting horrible crime) is around 100 per 100k in the UK and only 1 per 100k in Poland. And I think to myself why that is.

'Yeah I don't care if the data's right or not, I just want to say immigrants are rapists so I'm gonna say it'.

Why is it that the Gov on their own website advise women not to travel to these countries for their safety? They specifically talk about rape, sexual assault, forced marriage, sex trafficking and FGM.

If I decided to pack a bag and travel to any of these countries alone I would be called insane. I could pretty much guarantee to be assaulted.

But we blindly allow men from these places, undocumented and here by illegal means to stay here, unrestricted and free to do what they like.

What country could I break into without identification and not be immediately detained and deported?

So we acknowledge that these men are a problem but suddenly because they step foot on British soil we are told they won't do what they've always done?

To commit rape means you have zero respect for humankind and the law. Yet they are welcomed with open arms by many women?

The Migration Observatory agrees with my opinion.

Ben Brindle, a researcher at the Migration Observatory, who carried out the analysis, said: “I think it’s likely that asylum seekers are more likely to commit crimes, but that’s in good part due to some of the other characteristics that those people tend to have.
“For instance, asylum seekers are more likely to be young men and young men are more likely to commit crime. In a perfect world you’d want to be comparing a young male Brit to a young male asylum seeker to try and account for that but we can’t do that with the statistics that we’ve got.”

Why does he agree ? Because it is what the data tells him. No emotions involved at all.

This. The willful ignorance from the ‘it’s just men’ people is staggering. I interviewed an afghani women asylum seeker. Young woman who lived in Kabul inbetween the Taliban regimes. She had a good education and her middle class father had been very keen on her and sisters all getting a good tertiary level education. She was a refugee as her fiancé was not a Muslim and her Father and family were going to murder her for this.

Different cultures are actually different and people behave differently accordingly.

To those people like you, how would you explain the deafening silence of the media when Kimberly Cookson m*rdered a child NOAH SIBANDA in a nursery in Dudley??? I bet this is news to a lot of of folks here!

No Ben Bridle confirms that (male) Asylum seekers are more likely to commit crimes in the UK than (male) British nationals.

He then speculates that this maybe due to the fact that the asylum seekers tend to be of a younger age but he cannot confirm this because the data is not available.

So in an ideal world the Government would publish that data but it won't for fear of creating anger in the public or for fear of being accused of racism.

That leaves us with the data we have that does indeed show that asylum seekers are more likely to commit crimes including sex crimes than UK nationals.

And we don't value women and their safety we have seen that with the whole trans issue recently and many other circumstances.

I notice you didn't come back to me over whether you believe Pakistani women are more likely to lie about domestic abuse than western women, or if you'll accept Pakistani men are more likely to commit domestic violence. Which is it?

And we have come a long way in the UK , and even then we are struggling to keep women safe !.and now it feels like any work we have done is just ruined because of the sheer volume of men who have come from totally different cultures.

We deal with and imprison our own