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AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

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HopelessPessimist · Yesterday 19:02

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

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BIossomtoes · Yesterday 20:00

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 19:59

One things for sure. The left will be organising counter protests as we speak.

I doubt it. Don’t judge everyone by your standards.

TrampleOnTheRoses · Yesterday 20:01

youalright · Yesterday 19:43

And how many drs make mistakes everyday that harm people should we hate all drs and protest outside a hospital and attack all NHS workers

If doctors left a young man who had been fatally stabbed to bleed to death and refused to help him when he pleaded for help because the Sikh who stabbed him said he had been racist to him then yes, we should see protests against those doctors.

SleeplessInWherever · Yesterday 20:01

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 19:59

One things for sure. The left will be organising counter protests as we speak.

Likely, they’ll probably turn up to tell Tommy Robinson to fuck off home.

Wherever his home is.

Quine0nline · Yesterday 20:01

How many years ago was it that Gordon brown lost the election after talking about a woman who was airing concerns about Easter European immigration was dismissed as "who let that bigoted old woman in".
Any they have learned exactly what in the past 12 years?

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:02

TeaCupTinsel · Yesterday 19:58

I'm really unsettled by it too OP. I've been a teacher for twenty years and the uptick in vile racist incidents against students (sometimes perpetrated by adults!) has been awful, let alone what gets said to their adult family members.

So much hatred is seeping through and, statistically, whilst any crime is awful, the misrepresentation in the media of 'immigrant' or 'refugee' crime (often targeted at those from minority ethnic backgrounds) and frenzied fuelling of societal division is harrowing to watch, especially when some of work with children who are living in fear because of it.

The only silver lining has been watching the children band together and support each other because, thankfully, they are much more accepting and inclusive than the generations above them. I hold hope for the future generations coming up behind us but it's still horrible to live through.

I never thought I'd see it happen in the UK because our age group learnt about WW2, the rise in fascism and extreme right wing views at school and had grandparents and great grandparents who might have lived through the war or experienced the immediate effects in their childhoods.
I think we've lost something now those who experienced WW2 have gone (or are very close to being gone), we feel further removed from the atrocities and rhetoric of that time so many can't see the parallels.

As a teacher I'm sure you've seen fascism shift to the left. You certainly will have seen it in cases such as Batley and Jewish children's schools protected by security.

suburburban · Yesterday 20:02

Quine0nline · Yesterday 20:01

How many years ago was it that Gordon brown lost the election after talking about a woman who was airing concerns about Easter European immigration was dismissed as "who let that bigoted old woman in".
Any they have learned exactly what in the past 12 years?

They never learn

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 20:02

Albuhup · Yesterday 19:59

Do they also state they have been stabbed? Henry did.

Nah, where tf was the due diligence? Police are meant to protect and serve

Henry was left bleeding out on the ground

When I was in the police, it was drummed into us from the first day of training that the primary responsibility of police officers was preservation of life! Crime prevention/detection/public order was all lower down the list of priorities than preservation of life. Has that changed??

Imaginary86 · Yesterday 20:03

PolkaDotPorridge · Yesterday 19:20

The protesters are always as thick as mince, toothless , drunk and not an active brain cell between them.

A bit like the “free Palestine” lot

JHound · Yesterday 20:03

shuggles · Yesterday 19:54

Did you read OP's post?

Not sure that changes my question does it (though it should probably be aimed at Tommy Ten Names and those UKIP leader).

Albuhup · Yesterday 20:04

youalright · Yesterday 20:00

They checked for stab wounds they called an ambulance for him he wasn't left

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He was dying, Left to die!

Disbelieved

mumofoneAloneandwell · Yesterday 20:04

I do think its a case of negligent policing here, rather than a choice made due to race. (It could well have been due to race, we dont know the officers minds) but it seems more that they didnt bother to check on the man in their care! 'I dont think you have been mate', fucking get down to his level and check. He is not a dog.

Its fucking disgusting and the officers are negligent and should be found so in the inquiry, and trials that follow.

For me, the big issue with the police, is classism. The survivors of the disgusting grooming gangs wouldn't have been ignored if they were middle class, not a chance. Were the sikh man not seeming like a homeowner of that large property, i dont think the police would've given him the same respect.

The protests today are just an excuse for Tommy Robinson to incite violence though. He doesnt care.

Rip Henry Nowak.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:04

SleeplessInWherever · Yesterday 20:01

Likely, they’ll probably turn up to tell Tommy Robinson to fuck off home.

Wherever his home is.

Why should they do that? Free speech and all that. Every single time the right organise a protest the left throw their toys out the pram and rush to counter protest. So if its OK for the BLM protests, why do you have a problem with this protest @HopelessPessimist ?

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:05

youalright · Yesterday 20:00

They checked for stab wounds they called an ambulance for him he wasn't left

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Dragged, handcuffed, ignored and arrested. How awful for an 18 year old student.

Occasionalsnaccident · Yesterday 20:05

Nofeckingway · Yesterday 19:49

A mistake where someone uses bad judgement is redeemable. A mistake where an innocent young man loses his life is a tragedy beyond measure . I feel sorry for the policemen involved as my mind would be tortured.

I’m sure they’ll carry the guilt and horror of that realisation for the rest of their lives, but all evidence suggests that he would have died regardless. The consequences of their mistake was that his final moments were more distressing as he was not believed, comforted etc. but being arrested.

youalright · Yesterday 20:05

TrampleOnTheRoses · Yesterday 20:01

If doctors left a young man who had been fatally stabbed to bleed to death and refused to help him when he pleaded for help because the Sikh who stabbed him said he had been racist to him then yes, we should see protests against those doctors.

They didn't leave him dying they called an ambulance and administered first aid when they realised what had actually happened.

Jellox · Yesterday 20:06

I feel so sorry for the parents who have just lost their child in horrific circumstances and people are using it as an excuse to be racist and be violent.

It’s disgusting how these idiots prey on other people’s grief.

There needs to be stricter laws against this.

TrampleOnTheRoses · Yesterday 20:06

AlexaStopAlexaNo · Yesterday 19:40

I mean, in this case, it literally is directly about race.

Absolutely bizarre that anyone is trying to claim it isn’t.

JHound · Yesterday 20:06

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:04

Why should they do that? Free speech and all that. Every single time the right organise a protest the left throw their toys out the pram and rush to counter protest. So if its OK for the BLM protests, why do you have a problem with this protest @HopelessPessimist ?

So the Right should have the freedom to protest but not the left?

OneTealShaker · Yesterday 20:06

Stop being so melodramatic.

It’s not the protest you have to worry about. It’s how wokery and name calling perfectly reasonable racist is hardening people’s voting intentions.

This what happens when gaslighting and race baiting people goes too far. A

SleeplessInWherever · Yesterday 20:07

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:04

Why should they do that? Free speech and all that. Every single time the right organise a protest the left throw their toys out the pram and rush to counter protest. So if its OK for the BLM protests, why do you have a problem with this protest @HopelessPessimist ?

Mainly because the father of the deceased teenager has asked for the exact opposite of this.

Anyone using this boys death to stir division, create conflict, or attack minorities needs to get some basic respect.

The family don’t want it, and they’re the ones who actually matter here. Time to go home, Tommy.

CreamFirstJamSecond · Yesterday 20:07

I’ve spent the day driving round Southampton didn’t see any protests (nor police presence). Not sure they were that huge…

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:07

JHound · Yesterday 20:06

So the Right should have the freedom to protest but not the left?

Other way round, which is my point.

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 20:08

youalright · Yesterday 20:00

They checked for stab wounds they called an ambulance for him he wasn't left

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They ignored his pleas that he had been stabbed.

Forrdige · Yesterday 20:08

youalright · Yesterday 20:00

They checked for stab wounds they called an ambulance for him he wasn't left

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According to you, they did everything right then! Wow. Rage bait or just devoid of any humanity?

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 20:09

SleeplessInWherever · Yesterday 20:07

Mainly because the father of the deceased teenager has asked for the exact opposite of this.

Anyone using this boys death to stir division, create conflict, or attack minorities needs to get some basic respect.

The family don’t want it, and they’re the ones who actually matter here. Time to go home, Tommy.

The family, as with Lee Rigby's will have been guided on their stance. It is to prevent riots.

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