AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

[HopelessPessimist]

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

Do we know of the boy could have been saved if correct medical treatment had been given?

I believe in this case it was police incompetence but it has revealed an underlying issue which is that words are taken as violence. This needs to stop as policing language never works.

A few decades ago the police would have had stern words with anyone using unpleasant terms...not arrested them. It isn't just race, it's the trans issue or where teachers called the police in parents for WhatsApp messages.

Even though I'm from a immigrant background I can understand the utter frustration of UK people, who have been very tolerant and accepting of migration until the pendulum has swung too far.

I believe politicians need to listen and restore confidence that the majority of the population are being listened to. It will then neutralise any people who seek to cause further division.

But the fact is they believed the sikh guy and didn't believe the white Brit. That says it all!

Just copied it from America. Too thick to notice it doesn’t apply here

And …

I think you're describing Palestine Action Group and Antifa.

Nail on the head, especially the point about the pendulum having swung too far. We need some competent politicians to actually listen to the general public, without tarnishing them as bigots or thick or whatever else the lefties love to say.

Tommy Robinson and Co are just using this as an excuse for violence

BUT

dismissing it as just a couple of officers who made a mistake is going to play right into the hands of the likes of Reform. Farage has already been sticking his oar in and has probably won over more voters.

There has been something seriously gone wrong in policing somewhere here and our police and politicians need to take this seriously and admit the wrong doing

Stop talking nonsense.

do you think 50% of people getting arrested say they have been stabbed

you are ridiculous.

Agree, OP.

It’s opportunistic rage baiting.

Protesting at a police station that I doubt those involved are even in, but plenty of others who aren’t involved will be.

Senseless.

You feel deeply unsettled. Bless. Take a moment to think how Henry Nowak's parents are feeling right now. A dog whistle thread if ever I saw one.

To be fair it was about race.

I'm really unsettled by it too OP. I've been a teacher for twenty years and the uptick in vile racist incidents against students (sometimes perpetrated by adults!) has been awful, let alone what gets said to their adult family members.

So much hatred is seeping through and, statistically, whilst any crime is awful, the misrepresentation in the media of 'immigrant' or 'refugee' crime (often targeted at those from minority ethnic backgrounds) and frenzied fuelling of societal division is harrowing to watch, especially when some of work with children who are living in fear because of it.

The only silver lining has been watching the children band together and support each other because, thankfully, they are much more accepting and inclusive than the generations above them. I hold hope for the future generations coming up behind us but it's still horrible to live through.

I never thought I'd see it happen in the UK because our age group learnt about WW2, the rise in fascism and extreme right wing views at school and had grandparents and great grandparents who might have lived through the war or experienced the immediate effects in their childhoods.
I think we've lost something now those who experienced WW2 have gone (or are very close to being gone), we feel further removed from the atrocities and rhetoric of that time so many can't see the parallels.

They looked for all of two seconds. Don't they send these jokers on first aid courses which instruct you on how to conduct a proper head to toe check for signs of injury? Perhaps they replaced such a course with extended diversity training instead.

I agree.

I don’t think Henry could have been saved, as far as I know his family aren’t suggesting that and they are not blaming the police for his death.

The George Floyd riots involved looting and smashing up shops did that not unsettle you? There were also protests for Floyd in the uk despite it happening in another country. Months straight were spent talking about how evil and privileged all white people were. Did that not unsettle you?

Police may well have killed Henry Novak as they ignored him saying he’d been stabbed mutiple times

You sound like you are saying it’s one of those things..they got it wrong but never mind. Let’s just move on!

Ahh okay thanks

Which is why they have first aid training which is mandatory and should be used when people are saying they can’t breathe. “I don’t think you have mate” isn’t first aid. And before you ask I did watch the video.

I believe he would have likely died anyway but the murderer took a long time to call the police so he had no hope.

He wasn't believed and what happened was awful but I bet a lot of people the police deal with don't tell the truth. He wasn't disbelieved because he was white.

Do they also state they have been stabbed? Henry did.

Nah, where tf was the due diligence? Police are meant to protect and serve

Henry was left bleeding out on the ground

They've said not he would of died anyway no matter what anyone did his injuries where not compatible to life

One things for sure. The left will be organising counter protests as we speak.

Quite! Take a problem, add a dash of Tommy Robinson and make it a riot.

I grew up near Southampton and I hate seeing this.

They checked for stab wounds they called an ambulance for him he wasn't left