AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

[HopelessPessimist]

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

Can you explain your emojis? Do you find what I said funny?

Israel’s wars in the Middle East actually have the highest (worst) ratio of civilians to combatants out of all modern post WWII wars in the ME. This is even if you only use the numbers from the IDF.

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Blackadder Back & Forth had a hilarious take on this 🤣:

If Dresden had happened post WWII when we had codified war crimes and crimes against humanity like genocide, many scholars have said that Dresden would be a genocide and Churchill a war criminal.

I agree the police actions in this case are without doubt deeply unprofessional. The attitude of the PC I picked up on the body cam was
’ I’ve been here and seen this behaviour all before, teenage kid moping around on the floor quite possibly drunk or on drugs claiming some bullshit that’s happened’ this is a classic case of being ‘job blind’ assumptions made as you have witnessed this hundreds of times and which have led to this catastrophic case of negligence at the highest level.

. I also am deeply concerned for my young son growing up in the UK. He was accused, a few days ago, by a young black man, of being a racist as my son would not throw him his ball as we walked past him on our dog walk. I have had some serious words with my son about how he conducts himself and engages with other people who are strangers to him. Ignore Ignore Ignore and move away as you have no idea of others intentions towards you.

Just fucking racist thugs whipping people up as usual and very isolated. Stupid "civil war" comments. You wish. Mumsnet, please do something about these racist trolls using the boards to spread hatred and misinformation.

I agree with you all the way, OP. This is exactly what Farage was trying to stir up when he made his portentous "announcement" this morning and he's got his wish several times over. It was a blatantly cynical effort to stir up his more cerebrally challenged supporters, and like obedient little lapdogs they responded to his whistle. He cares not one jot for Henry Nowak.

He must be absolutely delighted, particularly given that it's taken the focus off his financial shenanigans.

I'm ancient, and lived in South London until I was in my mid-30s, so can remember the Brixton riots of 1981 and 1985, and the "Battle of Lewisham" in 1977.

In the '90s I can only remember the "poll tax" riots, but that might have been because I moved to Sussex in '91 and became a country bumpkin.

Farage isn't heard of for months then pops up like a distorted glove puppet when there is so me racist bile to spread. Thought he was off spending his £5m quid "gift".

You're back to reducing the murder of a young boy to monetary terms. Vile.

Fucksake, "a mistake"?!

Something tells me that the parents and siblings of those dead children, or the children of those dead parents, aren't impressed.

Was it a total failure? Yes, for approximately three minutes they failed to make basic checks on a victim who said he had been stabbed and was clearly in some distress, handcuffed him and treated him like a criminal. That part was indeed an utterly dreadful and tragic failure.

But then there was a swift and thorough investigation leading to the arrest of the perpetrator and other members of the family, and then leading to charges being brought, evidence being carefully prepared to get a conviction, a prosecution being properly pressed forward, and the murderer being convicted and sentenced. I don't think any of that was a "total failure".

Isn’t @DeftGoldHedgehog just talking about Farage’s dodgy bribe and his current job as Mr Social Division Rent-A-Gob? Don’t think she’s mentioned Henry Nowak’s murder?

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So then the police officers could have been racist then.

You're right. But how does a crowd of yobs taking to the streets shouting their imbeclic mouths off help matters?

I'm not sure comparing life in medieval times to that in many modern Islamic states is the own you think it is.

Ok thank you.
under the equality act the police officers could well have been racist towards him then

@LuckyHazelFox please can you explain the meaning of your post?

Well, at least they didn't torch the place, as happened in many BLM riots in the US.

This exactly 😢.

It's a shame people are making it about race. The tragedy of this young man losing his life and police being inept at properly assessing and understanding the scene and making assumptions. Poor boy and his family. I think of my son.

It is horrifying to think of what this poor man went through in his last moments. Regarding your post-your son should have reported her. Or you could? There are so many nasty posts about young white men, and as someone who is the "opposite" of one, it bothers me both because it is unjust and I care about all human beings-but also because SOME young men who are treated like this might then lash out against innocent women.

That might well have been their motivation, rather than favouring the Sikh. I have no idea why they behaved so stupidly.

And do you apply this to the BLM marches and rioting and the Pro Palestine thugs?

I'm going to guess not.

I feel this country is ravaged by violence, young men and women being stabbed shot beaten up , every day . Why are young people resorting to this ,is it due to the life style, background or lack of discipline. Maybe national service ? Where discipline And respect for others is key.