AIBU to feel deeply unsettled by the Southampton protest scenes?

[HopelessPessimist]

Southampton protest against police, huge crowd, Tommy Robinson whipping everyone into a frenzy and saying "this IS about race"

Other speakers declaring that England is a Christian country. The Lords Prayer chanted by every speaker. The leader of UKIP saying he will deport all migrants and make government Christian. The leaders of the protest saying they are being pushed by the police cordon, while the camera angle shows the police haven't moved. The leaders of the protest mocking the female police officer who are taking over a shift from another police officer in the cordon "They're replacing all the men with women!"

This is awful. It feels like the start of civil war. Maybe human beings just aren't supposed to go decades without a fight.

There is a pattern indeed- a pattern of young women being abused by men of every race and nationality every single day, and of people only frothing on about it when the abusers are not white

They can still be compelled to attend the inquiry and give an account of their behaviour

Without wanting to derail the thread further, I do think those camps were a crime against humanity, particulaly as the guerilla warfare wasn't unjustified, and they killed as many again non-white victims as they did Afrikaners (estimates 14K to 20K)... but all that being said, it wasn't done because they were of a particular Christian faith, it was done to win a confict.

Completely agree that Christians are now almost exclusively the victims of genocides, or other mass killings that are still horrendous even if they don't meet the legal definition of genocide.

There certainly is a pattern. When you've got offensive words being prioritised more than rapes and stabbings, you know the country is screwed. A hierarchy of crimes being determined by skin colour has changed from Stephen Lawrence's murder to knee jerk policies and policing which have done nothing to address institutional racism. Instead it's had the effect of shooting fish in a barrel. Consecutive governments have failed to redress this balance - Theresa May getting rid of water cannons, being soft on crime with stop and search. It's all one big political mess. There's no strategy or direction. It's just race race race.

I have educated myself and for that reason I stand with Israel. Telling people to 'educate themselves' is a short-cut to end an argument the speaker can't sustain.

"every attempt is made by the Israelis to preserve civilian life"

I don't wish to derail the thread but simply cannot fathom how people still believe this.

There is an enquiry though - this was announced in December - to be headed by Baroness Longfield.

I say there is one - there have been several and the last one published recommendations on 2020 that the Tories didn’t follow up.

What’s the false correlation I am making? I am commenting on what another poster said .
It is clear that the police did believe the killer and his family . It is also clear they did not believe Henry ( they actually told him he hadn’t been stabbed !) and they proceeded to handcuff a young man who was clearly in a weakened state.
In contrast they did not handcuff the killer .

That looks like two tier policing to me … What false assumptions have I made?

I believe it too. If you look at the amount of infrastructure destruction in Gaza, the preservation of civilian life is impressive. The IDF would pre-warn and clear areas of civilians prior to heavy airstrikes.

I agree , what I find in this government are double standards, knife crime is up , anyone and I mean everyone who carries a knife regardless of religion should be apprehended and knife removed, no one walking the streets should be carrying a knife at the end if the day it is a weapon, people should not hide behind religion to commit a crime and think they can get away with it.

Civilians will die- it happens in war- just ask Dresden
Israel actually has a low ratio of civillian to military deaths (for wa)r- I simply cannot fathom why people don't think Israel has a right to defend its people and defeat its enemy

FFS - does every thread have to come back to Israel and Palestine.

You def have a bias as to which communities you support and you don’t ever show any empathy to some other communities. It’s clear on every thread. Don’t be a hypocrite.

This has been a very heavy thread, and I've really appreciated all the opinions, it's kept me company while I had my panic. But it's also nice to have a little lightness at the fact that the Scottish/Picts caused the Romans such a headache that the all-conquering empire said "Right, we need some rest and relaxation after that". Proud of my blue painted ancestors there!

Yeah like Gays for Palestine. The idiocy of those protesters.

Which other threads are you talking about? Thanks for taking such an interest in me.

She/he shoehorns it into every thread. A clear agenda.

He was deputy behind the British fabricated Great Hunger in Ireland as a proponent of free markets. He was against government ‘interference’ and criticised all relief efforts. He also saw the Great Hunger as a religious divine retribution on Catholics. Directly after the famine, he then introduced new taxes on Ireland to pay for their own starvation.

Thirty years later, while dying of cancer, he felt guilty and advocated for Irish Home Rule.

Once again, which threads are you referring to? What's your agenda? Those two questions I think are reasonable. Thanks.

So why was brexit racist then? As Europe is mostly white yet it was called racist. not trying to be difficult just want to understand how it works

If Israel wants to preserve human life, how do you explain what it’s doing in Lebanon right now? And its 2.5-years-and-counting bombing of Gaza? That is not a sign of an army wanting to preserve human life.

The two tier policing - that the police deliberately and consciously made a decision to believe the Sikh family and not Henry Nowak due to skin colour.

We can’t know (yet at least) the full thought processes of the police involved or why they made those decisions. There could well be sub conscious bias to believe the Sikh family over Henry - similar to a well dressed presentable and middle class family maybe being believed over a badly dressed erratic lower class single person - just unfortunate normally but it happens every day and everywhere - people judge on appearance, context, experience, background.

It is appalling what happened of course, not just unfortunate, and it needs a full enquiry. However, I don’t think we should assume the decisions taken were on a fear of being thought racist - it isn’t that simple probably.

@Grammarnut
The concentration camps of the Boer war were intended to isolate a group of people from engaging in guerilla warfare.

Yes, the objective was to stop the men in militias defending against the British Invasion by kidnapping the women and children and putting them in concentration camps with no hygiene, insufficient food, and no medical care.

If you read the Equality Act, racism can be against other nationalities, including East Europeans. Indeed our Tommy was quite keen on whipping up racism against East Europeans ten years ago, though now he has decided he is on their side.

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Yeah why wouldn't gay people be behind the killing of 20,000 children, idiots