this is what I feel is wrong is instead of having any kind of discussion they tell people to get in the bin. This is why reform are so popular because if you squash the discourse and discussion of just moves people to a movement where they feel they can express an opinion without getting cancelled. From what I’ve found it’s the people who say ‘hope not hate’ who are the most hateful and mean ones to deal with
There's been plenty of discussion about all the main issues Reform have policies for (including the big one). There was plenty of discussion available to consider and take part in about Brexit and its likely effects, there is plenty now about the economic realities of immigration, ageing population etc. Most of the time Reform supporters are not up to it. They spew out a couple of sentences from the childishly oversimplified "economics" they've been fed, in which immigration causes absolutely every societal ill and brings no benefits to make up for it, and then the moment they're challenged - however intelligently, politely and objectively - they spit the dummy and wail about how nobody listens to them.
The latest one is the fact that net immigration is actually plummeting, to half what it was a year ago and a fraction of its height during the Boriswave. You'd think this would be an opportunity for Reform supporters to say "oh, we ARE being listened to, the government IS taking our concerns into account", right? Wrong, instead we have every damn contortion possible to try and insist that that's not really what's happening, and anyway was never really what it was about (it was about small boats ONLY, or deporting people with moustaches, or something, apparently).
So they GET what they want in the Brexit referendum...
They GET what they want in immigration policy...
At the expense of everybody else who wants to actually approach these subjects rationally and not commit societal suicide over them. But oh no, the problem is still that the poor little Reformers are shouting to have their voices heard and nobody's listening.
And I really object to the one-sidedness of this supposed victimhood. Have you seen how some of these people talk about the "liberal elite", the "woke brigade" etc? In the runup to Brexit I engaged with posters on here who opened described how they wanted to see middle class people suffer. But that's OK, because they're the victims after all. Don't dare tell a racist when they're being racist though...