Anyone else a bit sick of every single weight loss discussion immediately turning into “Have you tried Mounjaro?”

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Before anyone says it, no, I don’t qualify for it, and even if I did, I personally wouldn’t take it. I completely accept that these medications have been genuinely life changing and incredibly helpful for a lot of people, and I’m not denying that at all.

But sometimes it feels like the idea of losing weight the old fashioned way, changing habits, eating differently, exercising, being consistent, is almost treated as outdated now. As if nobody wants to even attempt it anymore without medication being suggested within five seconds.

Surely not every conversation about weight loss has to involve injections?

Well, yes there other ways to lose weight. We all did it for decades. But if jabs work, the fine.

Now you know what people who don’t need to diet go through, having to listen to endless diet chatter, new fads, calorie counting, watching what others eat, commenting on slim people. If I had a €1 for the amount of diet chatter I’ve had to
listen to over 20 years I’d be loaded. Colleagues are the worst.
They’re just the opposite of you, same chat, different methods. Boring.

Its cheating............I wasnt aware that losing weight was competitive. Who is being cheated exactly?
Makes it easier? Of course it does. Its kind of the point. If it was easy the population would not be obese.

Move more eat less, because its that simple. Except its not. Bully for you though and your non cheating weightloss .

Pile it back on......like virtually any other diet.

Willpower, again, not that simple.

Danger outweighing benefits? Actually the benefits not just in terms of weight loss are continually stacking up.
Decreased cardiovascular events being just one. My blood pressure is now healthy, due to the dru, nit weightloss.
Anti inflamitory effects being another ........I am now completely free of the genuinely dangerous toxic organ destroying immunosupressant I was on for years.

I felt the absolute spite in “Bully for you though and your non cheating weightloss”!

I said it works for some people. People who therefore don’t see the value in a WLI. If when used properly they lead to 1-2lb a week loss, and a person feels they can do that without them, why would they spend their money on them?

They’re not always the answer - that doesn’t mean they’re not the answer to you.

Just that some people see absolutely no value in taking them, and don’t require the sales pitch, or list of benefits for others, to change their minds.

Like I said previously, no is a complete sentence.

Are you ok. No one is selling them and no one gives a crap if you take them. Genuinlh not one person. Why on earth do you think people are trying to sell you medication. That’s the oddest thing I’ve ever read.

and as for cheating, no one cares if you think it’s cheating, it it’s cheating sign me up,and brand me a cheater. I’m all for modern medicine.

It’s definitely like a cult.

And the reactions of people when the prices went up, where people were trying to stockpile, source emergency tablets and discussing suppliers was strongly reminiscent of the behaviours of drug addicts.

And other people get sick of the list I gave. I
ncluding the "cheating" guff. Which I would suggest contains more spite than anything I said .

Genuinely quite well thank you, bit warm but otherwise fine - thanks for checking.

If nobody’s selling/promoting them, what’s with the lists of features and benefits being sent in response to people who have said they don’t want them?

I didn’t say it was cheating. I said, in response to a poster complaining about being called a cheat, that it certainly is claimed to make weight loss easier for some people…. Isn’t it?

People are correcting misinformation.

Yes I am sick of this

As if there’s any chance the OP won’t have thought of it already themselves!

not everyone wants to or can take WLIs.

If you can accept and be grateful that it’s made your weight loss easier, why are you so bothered if people see that as cheating?

I don’t, because I don’t care. That’s why I didn’t say “but it is cheating.” It’s that “making it easier” that idea comes from, though.

There’s a woman on another thread has said quite clearly that because of her negative experience with MJ, she now is not happy to try WLI again.

Even with that, people are telling her that her symptoms weren’t usual, or that it’s subjective, or that they didn’t make them feel sick, or why don’t you try a different one?

She’s said no. She’s said why.

There’s like this inability to accept they don’t work for everyone, or to just let people be comfortable in their decision to not take them.

source emergency tablets

Tablets? I thought this was about injections? Does it come in tablet form?

What else do people expect to hear at this point though?

Weight loss has been studied for decades. The science itself hasn’t changed - to lose weight, we need to consistently take in less energy than we use.

The problem has never really been people not knowing that. It’s that for some people, doing it long term is genuinely difficult.

That’s why WLIs get mentioned so often. They’re relatively new, they work for a lot of people and especially for people where “eat less and move more” either never worked long term or was impossible to sustain.

I’m not really sure what advice people expect beyond that. “Have you tried being in a calorie deficit?” isn’t exactly helpful is it 🤷🏻‍♀️

Completely get that and in that specific circumstance, if someone’s said no it shouldn’t be suggested over and over.

but what else they want to hear is the but I’m confused about. Nobody’s going to pop along and say “how about twirling round a maypole three times and holding a peppercorn in your right hand”. There literally is no magic secret to weight loss being gatekept.

And the reactions of people when the prices went up, where people were trying to stockpile, source emergency tablets and discussing suppliers was strongly reminiscent of the behaviours of drug addicts

That's not true though is it? It's not like you get a high or anything. It's more like when you get a doctor's prescription and none of the chemists you go to can source it (which has happened to me! turned out to be an antibiotic only available in hospitals!) or when you find there's a shortage of your blood pressure pills or heart tablets or blood thinners. When your medication has been working well and you are faced with the prospect of it being cut off, there's bound to be some initial worry. It's nothing at all like being a drug addict.

I don't use wli myself but I'm thinking about it.

Yet. You don’t just lose weight. You are losing bone density and muscle mass as well. That’s a scary thought

What? Why would you assume that, you’ve no idea how she’s eating and working out.

are you just going round all diet forums like low carb and slimming world and saying the same thing.

how odd. Very

It annoys me because the medication doesn’t make you loose weight so only works because you want to eat less, for your health you should be eating differently not just less on wli’s and unless you change your relationship with food and lifestyle you’ll put it back on

I don't use wli myself but I'm thinking about it

And just for the record, I know 2 people who have had significant weight loss with Mounjaro, one of whom has had pretty awful side effects, neither of them have suggested it to me although it's pretty obvious I could do with the help.
It's just affordability for me. My friend with the bad side effects (gall bladder problems) has continued with it regardless because the benefits of being 6 stones lighter significantly outweighs the downsides (which will, apparently, subside given time).

Antibiotics give her the runs, she says, but it wouldn't stop her taking them if it's the only way to get rid of the nasties in her system. Not sure if I'd have the same attitude but who knows?

Yet. You don’t just lose weight. You are losing bone density and muscle mass as well. That’s a scary thought

That's not true if you're doing it properly, and if you're not that's your own lookout.

Yet. You don’t just lose weight. You are losing bone density and muscle mass as well. That’s a scary thought

Also, that applies to anyone losing weight, whatever the method, Mounjaro or pure willpower, You have to exercise and eat properly too. That's clear to anyone. (I realise it's not willpower that's lacking in some people, it's blood sugar sensitivity - feeling really shit and confused when your blood sugar drops)

What annoys you? Have you used WLIs?

Mounjaro hasn’t just made me want to eat less - although that has been a brilliant side effect, it’s completely changed the kind of food I want to eat. I’m now mostly only drinking water - after 38 years of never drinking any - and my body craves fresh food and has no interest in the junk I was previously gorging on.

Well, as I'm menopausal, loss of bone density is a given. Any weight loss comes with muscle mass issues.....unless you're actively working out etc etc to try and mitigate the loss. Why do you suggest this is problematic? Is it better for me to still weigh over 20 stone?

Well, as I'm menopausal, loss of bone density is a given. Any weight loss comes with muscle mass issues.....unless you're actively working out etc etc to try and mitigate the loss. Why do you suggest this is problematic? Is it better for me to still weigh over 20 stone?

Yeah, probs. Makes the fit youngsters feel good about themselves and gives them something to point and laugh at. I'm extremely overweight but I walk 5 miles a day and do a gentle workout to keep things running. I'm cracking on in years so I don't have decades left to lose weight, so what's to lose? (Except excess fat!!?) If weight loss injections make me really ill so what? I'll face a short future staying fat or a longer future not fancying chips and wine but having fun with my lovely grandkids.

It's really not as easy losing weight as the calorie deficit brigade imagine.
If it was just a case of ignoring hunger, I can do it. I 'do' do it. But having sensitive blood sugar levels means that on occasion I feel sweaty and ill and shaky because I haven't eaten in hours. That's a genetic or maybe even a result of how I ate as a child. Sometimes, when I'm trying to be in calorie deficit I can be out shopping and feel quite ill and need to eat, even though my next 300 calories are carefully planned for about 2 hours later. It messes up the whole system and then I lose hope again. My friends who have had wli say this goes away. All this goes away. You can plan a balanced diet and stick to it without feeling faint and ropey in sainsbury's and having to send your husband off for a sausage roll to aid your recovery. I actually carry a banana around with me for these moments but sometimes I don't have one. I don't care about feeling hungry. I can perfectly cope with feeling hungry - but sometimes it slips over into feeling really ill. It really is a thing. My GP acknowledges it's a thing but I don't qualify for wli because I'm otherwise fit and well and have no other medical problems.

I have an underactive thyroid gland and so did my father and all three of my brothers. My father's thyroid function was zero until he was diagnosed in his 60s and consequently lost 4 stones in weight when he started thyroxine medication.
I take this same medication now but it hasn't resulted in any weight loss.

Maybe those people who are fat because they know they eat and drink too much and stop doing it, are judging the rest of us by their own standards.
Stop drinking lots of beer and wine and eating takeaways. Works for them because that was their problem, the cause of their weight gain.

It's not so clear cut for those of us who don't drink, and cook from scratch, and who rarely buy takeaways or go out to eat. For us, having an injection that keeps out blood sugar level 'level' is all it takes to help us not have the blood sugar lows that make us desperate to eat something calorie dense to restore our faculties, to make us feel better and normal. It takes less than 5 minutes from eating something to feeling better. Doesn't have to be a massive meal, but it does have to be something calorie dense like a sausage roll or a chocolate bar.
An orange won't cut it. And then you've fucking ruined your diet!! You ate a Chocolate Nutty Bar in Asda because you starved yourself all day and were close to hysteria to get some food.

It's so disheartening. If there's an antidote to this, and you can afford it, why wouldn't you give it a whirl?