Anyone else a bit sick of every single weight loss discussion immediately turning into “Have you tried Mounjaro?”

[toonoisie]

Before anyone says it, no, I don’t qualify for it, and even if I did, I personally wouldn’t take it. I completely accept that these medications have been genuinely life changing and incredibly helpful for a lot of people, and I’m not denying that at all.

But sometimes it feels like the idea of losing weight the old fashioned way, changing habits, eating differently, exercising, being consistent, is almost treated as outdated now. As if nobody wants to even attempt it anymore without medication being suggested within five seconds.

Surely not every conversation about weight loss has to involve injections?

It is not impossible to do it without.

People can do it and maintain without.

I appreciate it’s not possible for everyone, but that’s much the same as WLI not being appropriate for everyone.

Part of the issue though is this idea that everyone cannot lose weight without WLI. Many people can, and do, manage a calorie deficit to lose weight and maintain a changed, healthier lifestyle to keep it off.

It is not universally impossible.

Ok, thanks for explaining 😊

Definitely not impossible, just very hard.

People suggest it cause it works.

YES! I agree @toonoisie

I’ve literally must came from another thread where it just happened, the thread has been derailed by arguments over WLI now despite the OP explicitly saying she’s tried them and won’t be taking them again due to various side effects.

I don’t know why WLI users would be offended that some people think it’s a shortcut, or at least an easier way out, when it evidently is.

Op, you’re being a bit ignorant here, but so many are.

when you have already tried the “just eat less/move more” and it doesn’t work, when you’ve tried everything else and you’re STILL gaining weight and losing the will to live, the tool in the box that’s available IS mountain/wegovy etc

insulin resistance is real, totally blocks weight loss, menopausal changes in your body work against you so badly, you can’t win.

WLM helps you win when otherwise you can’t.

there are new medications coming that will help without jabs etc, don’t rule anything out as it’s such a life changing experience to lose weight that will kill you eventually.

try to have a more open mind. Forget NHS qualification for this stuff, that’s only for a ridiculously small number of people, save up and pay for it and choose your health and wellbeing

unless of course your happy as you are, happy to gain more weight etc as you get older. Life is too short to be miserable or unhealthy when there are options available

I would have thought it obvious I didn’t mean universally. Good grief. Thr question was why do people need the drugs if they still need to do the work. And the answer is for those people it is impossible to do it without.

i have never ever once ever heard of a fat person, unless one of those super feeder types who haven’t tried every single diet there is before trying the drugs. It is the last resort, not the first.

A lot of these people have spent decades trying and failing to lose weight the “traditional” way. So it’s logical to suggest WLI

Love, new meds will come that will be easier for you to take. Don’t give up on yourself, your time will come when you’re ready 😊

I don’t think any one is offended, the whole point of the drugs is to make if possible when it was previously impossible.

It’s not just the fact it’s mentioned it’s the fact some people on here are like a dog with a bone about it. No matter how many times the poster says they’re not interested they’ll keep pushing and just won’t drop it.

Not everyone of course but I’ve seen this happen too often.

I have lost 3 stone, currently 3 pounds
to go before I am back within a healthy BMI and one stone away from my goal weight.

I had some arsehole I was casually dating ask if I would take WLI, after mentioning some female childhood friends have taken it and he “can see why as weight loss is hard for women and this works”.

It took a day or so for it to sink in that it was pretty rude of him to ask me that and with hindsight wished I’d turned the question back on him as he was fatter than me!!

What I actually said to him was - no clearly my system is working since I’ve lost 3 stone so I’m happy to achieve the remainder of the weight loss the same way.

He just went silent but didn’t seem satisfied with my answer, who knows why - but I chose not to see him or talk to him again after that weekend. 😆

I think this is what a lot of people think and that's why people are so sniffy about them. They think it's a magic potion and it isn't.

You still need to diet to lose the weight. You still need to choose healthy food not calorie dense food. It's just loads easier to make those choices. Exercise is great, it doesn't make you do that but with increased energy and mobility obese people can start.

This is incorrect as a 10 second google will tell you. Obesity in itself causes cancer

Yes, people get confused between the words easy and easier.

something being easier doesn’t mean it is easy. It simply means it is easier than something else, more achievable.

this forum is littered with people losing weight v slowly or plateauing. Or having side effects due to poor diet. Not eating enough or the wrong things.

weight loss is very complex, the drugs curb your appetite yes, they fix many mentabolic issues that prevent weight loss long term successfully. But that doesn’t mean it’s easy for most. You still need to proactively chose to eat a healthy diet, most calorie count, to ensure a defecit, and you should strenght train, ensure adequate hydration and eat your macros correctly, ie enough protein. It’s not we inject and the fat melts off as we sit eating pizzas, or starving ourselves.

it’s still work, and a lot still fail. They come off early, diet fatigue sets in, or thru take breaks so they can eat more, or they push through , eat too much and don’t lose, or they eat the wrong things, get gastro effects and say look they don’t work and stop, because it is mentally complex.

so yes absolutely it is easier, it’s the whole point, as for many it is impossible. But that doesn’t mean it’s easy, it just means it’s now achievable.

How can a drug work when you arent taking it? Surely its more proof that it does if you gain weight when you aren't on it?? It doesn't flip your body to stay slim even if you stopping taking it. Do you expect other drugs to work for life without taking them?

I began WLI with a BMI of 37.2, 161cm height at 96.2 KG

medical issues, High Blood pressure, high Cholesterol, pre diabetic, along with IBS. 17 months later height is the same sadly weight is 76.4 KG BMI at 29.5 everything is back at normal levels and IBS has sorted itself out

Whilst I haven't dropped as much weight as some on WLI I am comfortable where I am now

prior to WLI I had tried the usual diet etc been on a residential bootcamp always shifted a few KG but never for long!

Don't judge people on WLI, you do need to put some effort in with the diet but I never seem as hungry these days and I am slowly reducing the dose to come off WLI due to cost

Why do you need the drugs then if you have to do all the work anyway? Both physically and phycologically? Seems like a right rip off!!

One thing it does is reduce 'food noise' by keeping blood sugar levels steady.
Fasting really isn't suitable for some people who are genetically disposed to drops in blood sugar when they haven't eaten for several hours.
A drop in blood sugar can make you feel sick and ill and shaky. Not everyone's body responds this way and some can simply decide not to eat even if they're hungry. The people with low blood sugar just need to eat to stop feeling like crap - not 'just' because they're hungry.

I don't use wli btw, this was explained to me by a HCP and it really does fit the situation I occasionally find myself in. I don't mind being hungry but when it turns into sweaty nauseous shaking I have to eat. It's a big part of how they help, so I'm told.

@mindutopiai think maybe you aren't having the conversations because you are over weight and you don't initiate them. Many years ago I lost a lot of weight and found that weight management comes up quite a lot of normal chat among slim people or people who manage their weight well. General discussions about calories or how much they gained on holiday. I always thought no one ever talked about their weight and I realised they didn't do it in front of me because I was overweight. Sadly I regained it all and noticed the topic stopped coming up

I agree!! Im not offended if someone noticed I have had botox on my forehead to cheat my wrinkles away!!😂

A lot of people on mumsnet get very offended.

not as annoying as

Its cheating
Move more eat less
I am concerned.......
There will be hell to pay
You will pile it back on
Use some will power
These are dangerous drugs

It’s cheating - it’s certainly apparently easier, or else what’s the point?

Move more eat less - that does work for some people (I’m one of them, so far)

You will pile it back on - most will, unless they stay on them forever, which isn’t an option financially for everyone.

Use some will power - again, that’s enough for some, but not for everyone.

These are dangerous drugs - the side effects don’t weigh up to making them worthwhile for everyone (I’m one of those too!)

The others are just outright nonsense, you’re right.

Then you read around it and you are looking at 8-10% increase. It'sHRT dependantand higher BMI in pre menopausal women is a protective factor. . Lack of breastfeeding and alcohol consumption puts you at higher risk. The gall bladder etc doesn't go away as soon as the weight is lost, a lot of people during the crash weight loss stage, need their gall bladder removing. Although the research is going to be interesting if we lower the rates of obesity, women insist on HRT etc. If everyone stopped smoking, a lot of health issues were supposed to dissappear, including those from passive smoking. It hasn't quite happened.

I think you’ve misinterpreted the results. It’s not hrt dependent. Hrt can increase the risk of cancer, unless you’re saying that your sentence is hard to understand due to the grammar composition.

And a higher bmi, yes, can reduce the risk of breast cancer in pre menopausal women but give you a higher risk of 13 other cancers, hence why no one recommends being a higher bmi to reduce cancer risk.

once yoh become menopausal then the risks increase inc breast cancer.