Anyone else a bit sick of every single weight loss discussion immediately turning into “Have you tried Mounjaro?”

[toonoisie]

Before anyone says it, no, I don’t qualify for it, and even if I did, I personally wouldn’t take it. I completely accept that these medications have been genuinely life changing and incredibly helpful for a lot of people, and I’m not denying that at all.

But sometimes it feels like the idea of losing weight the old fashioned way, changing habits, eating differently, exercising, being consistent, is almost treated as outdated now. As if nobody wants to even attempt it anymore without medication being suggested within five seconds.

Surely not every conversation about weight loss has to involve injections?

Spot on.

Don't be silly and keep replying to me trying to change my mind. I responded to you, out of courtesy, now agree to disagree and move on.

You realise that you still have to make health and lifestyle changes with the jabs too right? It doesn’t make you more special if you lose weight without them

Not every conversation has to include WLIs but why do you think being on WLIs precludes
'the idea of losing weight the old fashioned way, changing habits, eating differently, exercising, being consistent'?

WLIs arent magic and those on them indeed need to change habits, eat differently, exercise and be consistent.

What an odd post

I think that is more about the fact WLI weren’t widely available before and will change now. It seems lots of people who aren’t obese are taking WLI. I have definitely seen at least one thread where someone who had ‘always been thin’ was taking mj as they gained weight for medical reasons. They were being very judgey of people who overeat but weren’t even willing to try losing weight without using them which i found surprising. I think people who are no nonsense would just take the medication that will help them to achieve their goals as quickly as possible and think it’s strange to make life difficult.

Essentially weightless has changed now - although obviously lots of us are still trying to lose weight without them, it is still there in the background as an option.

Firstly I don't know you from Adam so wouldn't waste my time or energy trying to change that mind of yours.

And secondly, this is a chat forum so I won't be moving on from anything.

Why are you so rude? Are you bored this bank holiday? Consider a barbeque and follow it up with WLI?

I answered you with courtesy and you decided to accuse me of 'being silly' as if your arrogant comment would just go unchecked.

Kindly, do one.

I’d never heard of food noise until last year. It doesn’t mean I hadn’t heard food noise all my life.
NHS pays for WLI with a BMI of over 40 and 4 comorbidities of diabetes with high blood pressure, heart disease and high cholesterol. Hard for them to just ‘be healthy’…

That's because you were being silly 🤷‍♂️

Asking someone if they've tried a weight loss injection is not the 'same thing' at all as asking them if they've tried eating less and moving more.

Two completely different questions.

I find all conversations about weight loss incredibly tedious anyway but I wouldn’t find talking about Mounjaro any more tedious.

Surely the point about WLIs is that they allow people to achieve significant weight loss rather than tinkering about with a pound here and a pound there but not moving the dial.

So you can actually stop talking about weight loss altogether which is a win.

I have not taken WLI but if I wanted to lose a significant amount of weight I would. You don’t get prizes for being a martyr.

It’s extremely difficult to get WLI on the nhs. I meet the bmi requirements have borderline cholesterol and liver fat but am nowhere near the target group. Patients on them can potentially then cut out the need for multiple medications, potentially saving the nhs money. They have been demonstrated to have benefits for heart conditions and diabetic patients with cancer have had better outcomes than those on other medications.

YABU, because there has always been a faddy diet around that has potential side effects and issues.

Atkins, Paleo etc. None of them should really be recommended without a dietician. (I have a social loathing for Slimming World and their toxic dialogue about "syns").

WLI aren't a special category of advice you can separate out, they have risks and benefits like other approaches.

I haven't seen a diet thread on MN that hasn't descended into a bun fight about digestion and eat less move more. So I don't see how WLI are any worse.

And if you don't qualify then just chill and stop judging those who choose medication to help their medical condition

Where was I judging?

Moving on to the person I care about, which is the OP, I agree with you OP for the reasons, stated!

Thank you! This is my point, exactly! All diets and medications need an individual approach to risk etc.

I think it was when you said no one wanted to try the old fashioned way, and then doubled down on it saying no one even wanted to attempt it.

Hope that helps.

I've seen WLI suggested for those that have tried everything and are at their wits end with their weight.
Even with the meds, it boils down to eat less and move more. The meds simply help your body not actively work against you.

I also said this:

I completely accept that these medications have been genuinely life changing and incredibly helpful for a lot of people, and I’m not denying that at all.

Hope that helps.

Blimey do you shares in wli you are on every thread extolling their virtues and defending them 😂😂😂

It’s all about profit. They’ve convinced us that obesity is a disease and medication is needed to manage it.

Those that are on them will probably need to stay on them for life to stay slim.

It is a disease, a disease is “A disease is an abnormal condition that negatively affects the structure or function of all or part of an organism” it is not just something infectious.

and many people do need meds to manage it, or two thirds of the population wouldn’t be fat. We’d all lose the weight and be slim.

right now yes of course it’s about the money, for the pharma companies. But it costs big due to the regulatory requirements. El Lilly has spent 35 billion getting it to market, with another 9 billion pledged.

No, but those approaches can encourage disordered eating habits. Slimming World in particular gave me an extremely unhealthy attitude and approach to food.

I use WLI. They are not appropriate for everyone, but as someone who has tried every diet going multiple times and probably would classify as having B.E.D, they have changed my life immeasurably.

Its very different from that. Phycologically changing mindset and going on a diet (long term) is huge/EPIC a feat many can not achieve.

It's MN.

Struggle with weight = have you tried WLI?
Struggle with child = have you got a diagnosis for ASD/ADHD?
Struggle with parents = could it be dementia?

But sometimes it feels like the idea of losing weight the old fashioned way, changing habits, eating differently, exercising, being consistent, is almost treated as outdated now

You do know that on WLIs you also need to change your habits, eat differently, exercise, and be consistent? I have lost 5 stone with 4 more to go. No real side effects, luckily. But I can over ride it if I choose to - eat 3 courses with wine if I'm out, for example. MJ is a tool. It doesn't melt the fat off.